Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

[omega2xx]

There there is no law of genetics that prevents taxa from being related by common ancestry.



No such book and no such definition exits.



Humans didn't stop being apes. Apes didn't stop being primates. Primates didn't stop being euarchontoglires. Euarchontoglires didn't stop being mammals. Etc.



Every species has different DNA. If they had the same DNA, then they would be the same species. And since humans are apes, our DNA is, axiomatically, ape DNA.



Whole genome duplication in stem vertebrates.
Two Rounds of Whole Genome Duplication in the Ancestral Vertebrate
α D -Globin Gene Originated via Duplication of an Embryonic α-Like Globin Gene in the Ancestor of Tetrapod Vertebrates | Molecular Biology and Evolution | Oxford Academic
Whole-Genome Duplications Spurred the Functional Diversification of the Globin Gene Superfamily in Vertebrates | Molecular Biology and Evolution | Oxford Academic
Gene duplication, genome duplication, and the functional diversification of vertebrate globins - ScienceDirect

ARHGAP11B
Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
Human brain shaped by duplicate genes

When you get some verifiable, scientific evidence, get back to me.

I have packed a big lunch, because you will not find any.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

VERY!

....so you don't know how speciation causes new species?

speciation definition - Google Search

speciation
ˌspiːʃɪˈeɪʃ(ə)n,ˌspiːsiːˈeɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
Biology
noun: speciation; plural noun: speciations

1. the formation of new and distinct species in the course of evolution

Then head on over to Biology Online Blog - The latest developments in biological science for this helpful primer (including the various ways we've observed and recorded speciation events that make new species):

Definition
noun, plural: speciations

The process in which new genetically distinct species evolve usually as a result of genetic isolation from the main population.

Supplement
Due to Genetic Isolation, the differences in gene pools among species become so great that they cannot reproduce through interbreeding. As a result, new species are formed with a genome that is genetically distinct from the main population.

The ways in which new species are formed are as follows:

• Allopatric speciation
• Peripatric speciation
• Parapatric speciation
• Sympatric speciation

Word origin: from Latin speciēs, a seeing, kind, form + L -ātiōn- (s. of -ātiō), action or process.
Related forms: speciate (verb), speciational (adjective).

See also: Genetic isolation.​

Come back and ask questions if you have problems understanding the material.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

When you get some verifiable, scientific evidence, get back to me.

I have packed a big lunch, because you will not find any.

He just provided a face full of evidence in that very post - I don't accept you're even close to actually being that obtuse.

 

[omega2xx]

Change in allele representations in populations over time due to mutations. Not due merely to time however.

How does a change in an allele change a species? Do you really not understand that mutation only alter a character in the gene pool of the parents? That can't change a species in a gazillion years.

That is a false. Most mutations are to non-coding DNA and have zero effect on fitness. A higher percentage cause genetic diseases rather than cause benefits, but the latter do happen. As those mutations build up over time, they cause speciation to happen.

When you get some verifiable evidence, instead of the usual evo non-scientific rhetoric, get back to me.

Human mutation rate revealed : Nature News

Every time human DNA is passed from one generation to the next it accumulates 100–200 new mutations, according to a DNA-sequencing analysis of the Y chromosome.​

Even if that was true, which is isn't, it would not result in a change of species.​

No, >> Has science proved that or is that just an opinion? <<, is hand waving and avoiding addressing the evidence. Since I was talking about the number of mutations humans have every generation, see the above link/excerpt.[/QUOTE]

Mutations are not a mechanism for a change of species. You can't provide one example of it ever happening.

This simply isn't true. Creationists don't define "kind". In one breath they claim it means interfertile populations. In the next it means anything from a genus to a domain. If "they have" defined it, then perhaps you could provide us with this supposed definition.

cont.

"After them kind" defines kind. That is why we see it in plants, beasts, birds, fish, cattle and humans. FYI apes are beasts and people are humans.

 

[omega2xx]

Oh, I suspect I understand the real meaning of Christmas better than you. I had an awesome couple of days full of pagan festivities and commercial over-indulgences. Living in Asia allows one to truly accept the circus show for what it really is. Muslims in santa hats, Christmas greetings from Hindus and Taoist temples beautifully decorated. It's a truly awesome commercial festival embraced by all

Thanks for confirming my suspensions, both of them

 

[omega2xx]

We thought so.

Itis amusing that you post some quotes about truth, but don't present something TOE ha proved to be true.

Typical evo rhetoric. You would if you could but you can't.

 

[omega2xx]

He just provided a face full of evidence in that very post - I don't accept you're even close to actually being that obtuse.

The usual evo talking points are not evidence.

Do you really not understand that real evidence provides the how IT CAN HAPPEN?

 

[46AND2]

It is laughable to think song lyrics are scientific evidence.

Shame on you for recognizing dat devil muzic!

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Itis amusing that you post some quotes about truth, but don't present something TOE ha proved to be true.

Typical evo rhetoric. You would if you could but you can't.

The usual evo talking points are not evidence.

Do you really not understand that real evidence provides the how IT CAN HAPPEN?

We all just watched you completely bypass an entire post dripping with the scientific research, repeatedly confirming Evolution as if it didn't exist! Short of coming to you and beating you over the head with it, I doubt you'll ever acknowledge it.

Too bad you don't exercise half as much scepticism in your YEC views... you'd be Cured instantly!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Thanks for confirming my suspensions, both of them

Glad I was able to help bridge those gaps

 

[USincognito]

Yep. You may want to sit down as I break the news to you..... 9/11 is US only. I know you guys think the world revolves around you but it doesn't. Much of the rest of the world, for instance, writes the date 11/9 and uses other numbers for contacting emergency services. And that doesn't make us all Al-Qaeda supporters

Pish tosh! Next thing I know you'll be telling me that other countries use a 24 hour clock.

 

[USincognito]

I assumed you were talking about the event known as 9/11. I wanted to point out that the name for a US only event uses a predominantly US date format which also matches a predominantly US emergency services number. While we are aware of the event, most of the rest of the world does not celebrate or commemorate it.

I'd just like to point out that 9/11 is pronounced "nine-eleven" while 911 is pronounced "nine-one-one". That's how we differentiate the two.

 

[USincognito]

When you get some verifiable, scientific evidence, get back to me.

I have packed a big lunch, because you will not find any.

Hmmm, there was six links full of verifiable scientific evidence in post #339.

Whole genome duplication in stem vertebrates.
Two Rounds of Whole Genome Duplication in the Ancestral Vertebrate
α D -Globin Gene Originated via Duplication of an Embryonic α-Like Globin Gene in the Ancestor of Tetrapod Vertebrates | Molecular Biology and Evolution | Oxford Academic
Whole-Genome Duplications Spurred the Functional Diversification of the Globin Gene Superfamily in Vertebrates | Molecular Biology and Evolution | Oxford Academic
Gene duplication, genome duplication, and the functional diversification of vertebrate globins - ScienceDirect

ARHGAP11B
Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
Human brain shaped by duplicate genes

 

[46AND2]

Hmmm, there was six links full of verifiable scientific evidence in post #339.

Oh, those don't count because....um...he didn't click on them...or something.

 

[USincognito]

How does a change in an allele change a species?

A change in allele representation in a population. When different gene variants (that's what alleles are) change as a percentage of the population, there is a commensurate change to the species.

Do you really not understand that mutation only alter a character in the gene pool of the parents?

I do not "understand" that because it simply isn't true. I have provided several examples and an article showing that offspring are born with mutations that neither parent possesses due to the imperfect replication of DNA.

That can't change a species in a gazillion years.

The evidence I have presented says otherwise.

Even if that was true, which is isn't, it would not result in a change of species.

Hand waving does not make the evidence go away.
How Many Genetic Mutations Do I Have?

When parents pass their genes down to their children, an average of 60 errors are introduced to the genetic code in the process, according to a new study. Any of those five dozen mutations could be the source of major differences in a person's appearance or behavior as compared to his or her parents and altogether, the mistakes are the driving force of evolution.​

Mutations are not a mechanism for a change of species. You can't provide one example of it ever happening.

I posted two in #339.
ARHGAP11B
Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-shaped-by-duplicate-genes-1.10584

"After them kind" defines kind.

That's not a definition. That's not even a tautology.

That is why we see it in plants, beasts, birds, fish, cattle and humans.

And yet all of them are related by common ancestry as Eukaryotes.

FYI apes are beasts and people are humans.

Humans are apes and all apes (including humans) are related by common ancestry:
with monkeys and lemurs as primates
with rodents and rabbits as euarchontoglires
with cattle as eutherians
with birds as amniotes
with fish as vertebraes
with plants as eukaryotes

 

[bhsmte]

Oh, those don't count because....um...he didn't click on them...or something.

Do you blame him? It is spooky stuff.

 

[omega2xx]

A change in allele representation in a population. When different gene variants (that's what alleles are) change as a percentage of the population, there is a commensurate change to the species.

Right but the variants only change characteristic, eye color, hair color,etc, they do not change the species.

I do not "understand" that because it simply isn't true. I have provided several examples and an article showing that offspring are born with mutations that neither parent possesses due to the imperfect replication of DNA.

That only shows you do not understand mutations or science. When a mutation causes a kid to become an albino, it remains the exact same species a its parents and you cant provide an example that is not rue.

The evidence I have presented says otherwise.

That shows you think opinions are evidence. Think again.

Hand waving does not make the evidence go away.

Hand waving does not make opinions evidence.

How Many Genetic Mutations Do I Have?

When parents pass their genes down to their children, an average of 60 errors are introduced to the genetic code in the process, according to a new study. Any of those five dozen mutations could be the source of major differences in a person's appearance or behavior as compared to his or her parents and altogether, the mistakes are the driving force of evolution.​

​

Not true

I posted two in #339.

No you didn't.

ARHGAP11B

Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-shaped-by-duplicate-genes-1.10584

Anther false opinion.

hat's not a definition. That's not even a tautology.

You are half right. Its not a tautology bit it is a definition.

>>And yet all of them are related by common ancestry as Eukaryotes.<<

Again only an OPINION, with no supporting evience


Humans are apes and all apes (including humans) are related by common ancestry:
with monkeys and lemurs as primates
with rodents and rabbits as euarchontoglires
with cattle as eutherians
with birds as amniotes
with fish as vertebraes
with plants as eukaryotes

A change in allele representation in a population. When different gene variants (that's what alleles are) change as a percentage of the population, there is a commensurate change to the species.



I do not "understand" that because it simply isn't true. I have provided several examples and an article showing that offspring are born with mutations that neither parent possesses due to the imperfect replication of DNA.



The evidence I have presented says otherwise.

Hand waving does not make the evidence go away.
How Many Genetic Mutations Do I Have?

When parents pass their genes down to their children, an average of 60 errors are introduced to the genetic code in the process, according to a new study. Any of those five dozen mutations could be the source of major differences in a person's appearance or behavior as compared to his or her parents and altogether, the mistakes are the driving force of evolution.​

I posted two in #339.
ARHGAP11B
Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-shaped-by-duplicate-genes-1.10584



That's not a definition. That's not even a tautology.



And yet all of them are related by common ancestry as Eukaryotes.


Humans are apes and all apes (including humans) are related by common ancestry:
with monkeys and lemurs as primates
with rodents and rabbits as euarchontoglires
with cattle as eutherians
with birds as amniotes
with fish as vertebraes
with plants as eukaryotes

 

[omega2xx]

A change in allele representation in a population. When different gene variants (that's what alleles are) change as a percentage of the population, there is a commensurate change to the species.

Right but the variants only change characteristic, eye color, hair color,etc, they do not change the species.

I do not "understand" that because it simply isn't true. I have provided several examples and an article showing that offspring are born with mutations that neither parent possesses due to the imperfect replication of DNA.

That only shows you do not understand mutations or science. When a mutation causes a kid to become an albino, it remains the exact same species a its parents and you cant provide an example that is not rue.

The evidence I have presented says otherwise.

Hand waving does not make the evidence go away.
How Many Genetic Mutations Do I Have?

When parents pass their genes down to their children, an average of 60 errors are introduced to the genetic code in the process, according to a new study. Any of those five dozen mutations could be the source of major differences in a person's appearance or behavior as compared to his or her parents and altogether, the mistakes are the driving force of evolution.​

I posted two in #339.
ARHGAP11B
Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-shaped-by-duplicate-genes-1.10584

That's not a definition. That's not even a tautology.

You're half right, it is not tautology.

And yet all of them are related by common ancestry as Eukaryotes.

H

Right but the variants only change characteristic, eye color, hair color,etc, they do not change the species.




That only shows you do not understand mutations or science. When a mutation causes a kid to become an albino, it remains the exact same species a its parents and you cant provide an example that is not rue.

That shows you think opinions are evidence. Think again.

​

No you didn't.

<Humans are apes and all apes (including humans) are related by common ancestry:
with monkeys and lemurs as primates
with rodents and rabbits as euarchontoglires
with cattle as eutherians
with fish as vertebraes
with plants as eukaryotes

osted two in #339.
ARHGAP11B
Human-specific gene ARHGAP11B promotes basal progenitor amplification and neocortex expansion
SRGAP2C
http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-shaped-by-duplicate-genes-1.10584



And yet all of them are related by common ancestry as Eukaryotes.


Humans are apes and all apes (including humans) are related by common ancestry:
with monkeys and lemurs as primates
with rodents and rabbits as euarchontoglires
with cattle as eutherians
with birds as amniotes
with fish as vertebraes
with plants as eukaryotes[/QUOTE]

And yet the is no example of any of then not producing exactly after their parents. kind,

 

[Larniavc]

Have you never hear of the principle of reproductive similarity? This important tenet of the theory of evolution states that no offspring will ever differ by more than a small amount from its parent(s).

A bit convenient that, don’t you think?

ToE makes a prediction that just happens to matches reality.

It’s obviously wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

ToE makes a prediction that just happens to matches reality.

After how many tries?