Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

[Larniavc]

Ya ... I spent a few years there.

Wife and I even went through Supertyphoon Pamela.

That must have been rough.

 

[Larniavc]

After how many tries?

One.

 

[AV1611VET]

One.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Ever heard of "trial-and-error"?

 

[Larniavc]

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Ever heard of "trial-and-error"?

That’s not how predictions work.

It’s like placing a bet on the horses. You predict that one will win the race you are betting on.

If your horse loses you have got it wrong and don’t get multiple goes until you back the correct one.

 

[AV1611VET]

That’s not how predictions work.

How many times has the theory of evolution made a prediction that HASN'T come true?

And for the ones that did come true, how many times did they have to try before they got it right?

TOE: I prediction oil will be found here.
PWN: Nope. Thumper truck says NO.
TOE: Try over there.
PWN: Nope. Thumper truck says NO.
TOE: Try this spot.
PWN: Bingo! Oil has been found!
TOE: Wohoo! Let's hear it for evolution!

TOE: I predict this drug will be a prenatal wonder drug.
PWN: Let's hope so!
* later *
TOE: Ewww. What's happening?
PWN: Don't know.
TOE: Pregnant women should be more careful what they eat.
PWN: Maybe it's something in the water?
TOE: I doubt it. It's happening all over.
PWN: Oh. Oh.
TOE: What?
PWN: It's our wonder drug.
TOE: Then blame the big pharmaceuticals.
PWN: They hired us ... remember?
TOE: Oh, ya.

TOE: Look what we found!
PWN: Shouldn't we ...
TOE: Let's call it Haroldcookii and get it out to the public!
PWN: Um ... aren't we being a little hasty?
TOE: Who cares? If it turns out to be something else, big deal. Retraction on page 16.

 

[USincognito]

{snip}

That shows you think opinions are evidence. Think again.

No you didn't.​

To the lurkers with meaningful opinions, am I just wasting my time?​

 

[bhsmte]

To the lurkers with meaningful opinions, am I just wasting my time?​

You are dealing with a chip off the old block, who is trying desperately, to protect a personal faith belief, from scientific evidence, that threatens the same.

In summary, yes you are wasting your time, if you actually want to have an intellectually honest discussion.

 

[Larniavc]

How many times has the theory of evolution made a prediction that HASN'T come true?

And for the ones that did come true, how many times did they have to try before they got it right?

TOE: I prediction oil will be found here.
PWN: Nope. Thumper truck says NO.
TOE: Try over there.
PWN: Nope. Thumper truck says NO.
TOE: Try this spot.
PWN: Bingo! Oil has been found!
TOE: Wohoo! Let's hear it for evolution!

TOE: I predict this drug will be a prenatal wonder drug.
PWN: Let's hope so!
* later *
TOE: Ewww. What's happening?
PWN: Don't know.
TOE: Pregnant women should be more careful what they eat.
PWN: Maybe it's something in the water?
TOE: I doubt it. It's happening all over.
PWN: Oh. Oh.
TOE: What?
PWN: It's our wonder drug.
TOE: Then blame the big pharmaceuticals.
PWN: They hired us ... remember?
TOE: Oh, ya.

TOE: Look what we found!
PWN: Shouldn't we ...
TOE: Let's call it Haroldcookii and get it out to the public!
PWN: Um ... aren't we being a little hasty?
TOE: Who cares? If it turns out to be something else, big deal. Retraction on page 16.

Can you name a prediction of ToE that has not come true?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Right but the variants only change characteristic, eye color, hair color,etc, they do not change the species.

When a heritable variation gives the offspring a reproductive advantage, it's likely to spread through the population over many generations (because those with a reproductive advantage contribute more offspring to the population). So the genetic makeup of the population will change over time. When isolated populations of a species have diverged sufficiently they may be called subspecies, and eventually new species.

That only shows you do not understand mutations or science. When a mutation causes a kid to become an albino, it remains the exact same species a its parents and you cant provide an example that is not rue.

It's populations that evolve and may become new species over time. See above.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It's populations that evolve and may become new species over time.

You can repeat that ad nauseam. It will never hit home and he'll continue to chose to misunderstand/misrepresent.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you name a prediction of ToE that has not come true?

No.

What does that have to do with me asking how many times does it take before they get it right?

 

[Larniavc]

No.

What does that have to do with me asking how many times does it take before they get it right?

It shows ToE got it right every time.

So the predictions that ToE make get it right first time.

 

[AV1611VET]

It shows ToE got it right every time.

So the predictions that ToE make get it right first time.

Got It Right Every Time ≠ Got It Right The First Time

 

[Larniavc]

Got It Right Every Time ≠ Got It Right The First Time

The first time is within the subset of every time.

Unless you mean that there is an instance of a time not covered under EVERY time?

 

[AV1611VET]

The first time is within the subset of every time.

LOL

Edison got the light bulb right the first time, did he?

 

[Larniavc]

LOL

Edison got the light bulb right the first time, did he?

That was not a prediction made by ToE.

C’mon AV. Stick to the point.

By the way, did you have a mighty xmas?

 

[AV1611VET]

By the way, did you have a mighty xmas?

I had a great Christmas!

You?

 

[Larniavc]

I had a great Christmas!

You?

Fair to middling. My boy is nearly three and is being rascally (exploring by climbing and jumping off whatever he can climb up).

Exhausting but he keeps us young.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You can repeat that ad nauseam. It will never hit home and he'll continue to chose to misunderstand/misrepresent.

True; but it should be said.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fair to middling. My boy is nearly three and is being rascally (exploring by climbing and jumping off whatever he can climb up).

Not the Christmas tree, I hope!?