Patriotism replaces Worship of God - an example

[W2L]

LOL! Tell that to the 1500 babies that were killed today.

What do you want me to do about it? Vote for Trump? Why? So i can spend my time arguing politics rather than seeking the kingdom?

 

[W2L]

I also find it fascinating how, apparently, the singular thing necessary to be a godly politician is to empty give lip service to being Pro-Life.

-CryptoLutehran

Lip service, exactly.

 

[ViaCrucis]

He also called on Christians to offer their homelands taxes, fear and honor. Romans 13:7. I didn't say it, Paul did. Argue your liberalism with him.

That's being obedient to civil authorities. I also can't help but think it somewhat ironic to equivocate paying taxes with patriotism given American history and the particular narrative of the American right.

But don't let those obvious holes in your argument stop you from bending over backward to defend evil.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Calminian]

I also find it fascinating how, apparently, the singular thing necessary to be a godly politician is to empty give lip service to being Pro-Life.

-CryptoLutehran

Oh, the irony! Says the ones refusing to offer anything else but lip service.

"oh I'm pro-life, I just refuse to vote for it."

 

[Calminian]

That's being obedient to civil authorities. I also can't help but think it somewhat ironic to equivocate paying taxes with patriotism given American history and the particular narrative of the American right.

But don't let those obvious holes in your argument stop you from bending over backward to defend evil.

-CryptoLutheran

LOL! I quote three obligations of the citizen, taxes, fear and honor. You left out both the latter obligations.

This really is a new concept for you guys isn't it?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oh, the irony! Says the one refusing to offer anything else but lip service.

Oh? What lip service have I offered? To what, for what, in regard to what?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Calminian]

What do you want me to do about it? Vote for Trump? Why? So i can spend my time arguing politics rather than seeking the kingdom?

No, just let the babies die. That's kingdom seeking if I ever heard it. I'd hate for you to exit your comfort zone. And by all means, call armed police if anything happens to you. I'd hate for you to suffer in any way.

 

[W2L]

Oh, the irony! Says the one refusing to offer anything else but lip service.

So whats your answer to this problem? Follow politicians who will tickle our ears with empty promises, ones that divide us? If we were untied in our faith as we are in politics we could end abortion. Politics however are a trap set by the enemy to sucker us into a world of deception and division.

My answer is prayer. Dont you believe in prayer?

 

[ViaCrucis]

LOL! I quote thee obligations of the citizen, taxes, fear and honor. You left out both the latter obligations.

This really is a new concept for you guys isn't it?

Problematic is that you don't seem to actually care about what the text is saying.

"Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed."

What does this mean? It means to be obedient to the civil authorities. If you owe taxes, pay taxes. If you owe some other money, pay that money. Etc.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[W2L]

No, just let the babies die. That's kingdom seeking if I ever heard it. I'd hate for you to exit your comfort zone. And by all means, call armed police if anything happens to you. I'd hate for you to suffer in any way.

Whats you answer then? Who should i vote for?

 

[ViaCrucis]

No, just let the babies die. That's kingdom seeking if I ever heard it. I'd hate for you to exit your comfort zone. And by all means, call armed police if anything happens to you. I'd hate for you to suffer in any way.

Curious--does your pro-life ethic extend also to the post-born, or only the pre-born. Because it's my experience that generally speaking "pro-life" rhetoric is rarely pro-life, it's anti-abortion. Because if someone were pro-life they would, in fact, be in favor of social policies and changes that were beneficial to our neighbor; in particular the poor, the hungry, the sick, and the disenfranchised. However I tend to often find "pro-life" sorts are fanatically opposed to healthcare reform, social welfare programs, and other forms of social uplift for the least of these.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[W2L]

Curious--does your pro-life ethic extend also to the post-born, or only the pre-born. Because it's my experience that generally speaking "pro-life" rhetoric is rarely pro-life, it's anti-abortion. Because if someone were pro-life they would, in fact, be in favor of social policies and changes that were beneficial to our neighbor; in particular the poor, the hungry, the sick, and the disenfranchised. However I tend to often find "pro-life" sorts are fanatically opposed to healthcare reform, social welfare programs, and other forms of social uplift for the least of these.

-CryptoLutheran

I was a republican, but i saw no sense in fighting against social programs. Im neither republican or democrat.

 

[Calminian]

Whats you answer then? Who should i vote for?

Whoever the pro-life candidate is, who is willing to nominate conservative judges like Neil Gorsuch. It's been the republicans for the last few decades. I'm sure the unborn would really appreciate your sacrifice.

BTW, Trump is one pick away from making RvW challenges possible. If he gets one more conservative pick, we'll have the most conservative high court in several decades. And there's talk of Justice Kennedy retiring right now. He was a pro-abortion swing voter.

On a side note, had Hillary won, we'd have the most liberal high court in our nations history. She would have appointed Merrick Garland, Obama's lame duck session pick.

 

[W2L]

Whoever the pro-life candidate is, who is willing to nominate conservative judges like Neil Gorsuch. It's been the republicans for the last few decades. I'm sure the unborn would really appreciate your sacrifice.

BTW, Trump is one pick away from making RvW challenges possible. If he gets one more conservative pick, we'll have the most conservative high court is several decades. And there's talk of Justice Kennedy retire right now. He was a pro-abortion swing voter.

On a side note, had Hillary won, we'd have the most liberal high court in our nations history. She would have appointed Merrick Garland, Obama's lame duck session pick.

What if i believe politics are just a trap to take my focus off of the Lord who is my king, my shepherd and me helper?

 

[Calminian]

I was a republican, but i saw no sense in fighting against social programs. Im neither republican or democrat.

Irrelevent. You're supporting the abortion-holocaust if you don't vote pro-life.

 

[W2L]

Irrelevent. You're supporting the abortion-holocaust if you don't vote pro-life.

No im not, im avoiding lies and strife which war against my soul. I believe that God will hear my prayers for the unborn

 

[Calminian]

What if i believe politics are just a trap to take my focus off of the Lord who is my king, my shepherd and me helper?

Your beliefs are irrelevant. You need to help fight the holocaust. You would call a cop (an armed man) if your life were in danger, but can't bring yourself to help an unborn child.

 

[Calminian]

No im not, im avoiding lies and strife which war against my soul. I believe that God will hear my prayers for the unborn

I'm sure many prayed during the holocaust. I'm sure many prayed during American slavery. But those events didn't end until action was taken (by the grace of God). Pray without ceasing, but don't use it as an excuse to do nothing.

James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

 

[W2L]

Your beliefs are irrelevant. You need to help fight the holocaust. You would call a cop (an armed man) if your life were in danger, but can't bring yourself to help an unborn child.

Politics lead me down the wrong path, so i put my faith in God alone. I pray for the unborn. Thats how i fight.

 

[Calminian]

No im not, im avoiding lies and strife which war against my soul. I believe that God will hear my prayers for the unborn

Again, it's all about you. Focus on those dying, and you might have a change of heart. Get your focus off yourself, and you can do great good in the world. But it will take a change of heart.

James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.