I am as righteous as Jesus

[Hammster]

You do realise that your OP uses a personal pronoun "I am", by directly comparing on PAR the righteousness of the self to that of God.

No created being can make this comparison of righteousness with Deity.

In the OP a personal pronoun I am is declaring oneself as rigtheous on PAR with Deity.

If a claim like the OP is made by an individual, then it falls in the blasphemous category.

It is the same charge that the Pharisees charged Jesus with because they did not believe that he was God.

"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (John 10:33)



Declaring yourself as rigtheous as what the OP implies and being considered righteous because of the righteousness of Deity Jesus Christ, are entirely two contrastly different matters.

The OP implies the righteousness of the self, whilst the other legalistically clears (justifies) the other party of any wrong doing because of the righteousness of another and by doing this, it therefore follows that the party being justified by another is openly being acknowlefged as unrighteous, otherwise why would another party be required on behalf of the unrighteous party to justify them in the first place. It therefore begs the question does it not?



Incorrect friend. Firstly, the OP implies by using a personal pronoun I am as rigtheous as Jesus, which does not match up with your statement above that "we still have no rigtheousness of our own".

It seems that you have changed the goal posts of the OP now.

So I would kindly like to ask you which one is it, the righteousness of the self or the righteousness of Deity?

Lastly, in Heaven the past does not come into play, the individual no longer needs another party to legally justify them and therefore it is at this point in eternity that the individual is acknowledged as rigtheous on their own.

In Heaven the Saint is acknowledged as righteous on their own and this is the "crown of rigtheousness" that Paul talks about in Timothy after he dies and he is judged to be found worthy to receive this honour of acknowledgememt.



No friend, NOW, we are acknowledged as unrighteous, hence why we are being justified or cleared of any wrong doing by the righteousness of another party. THEN, in Heaven, the individual themselves is acknowledged as righteous on their own.

In the temporal life the believer is acknowledged as unrighteous needing a saviour and in the eternal life the believer is acknowledged as righteous not requiring another parrty to justify and to save them.



After all I have elaborately explained above, the statement above becomes convoluted at best and truly deflects from the OP claim of self righteousness in the temporal life.

But nowhere in the OP was self-righteousness claimed. That's your assumption, which would be incorrect. Remember, the OP states that the person is saved. The OP also never indicates that it's necessarily a good statement to make. It was simply, is it truthful or blasphemy.

And I still contend that any righteousness we have is imputed. So if I'm in Christ, and He is in me, then there's no condemnation. If I'm seated with Christ, that would put my imputed righteousness, that given to me as a new creation, on par with Christ's.

So while the statement could rightfully be misunderstood, it is theologically correct.

 

[The Times]

Yes. Being justified is being declared righteous. So if God calls you righteous, you are righteous.

In my post 359 I have answered your entire post in full. It should now become transparent to you and others that to be justified by another party's righteousness, is acknowledging the justified party to be at fault, that is the acknowledgememt of unrigtheousness.

There is no where in scripture that God calls the justified believer as rigtheous, nowhere!

 

[Hammster]

In my post 359 I have answered your entire post in full. It should now become transparent to you and others that to be justified by another party's righteousness, is acknowledging the justified party to be at fault, that is the acknowledgememt of unrigtheousness.

There is no where in scripture that God calls the justified believer as rigtheous, nowhere!

Well, being justified is being declared righteous. So there's that.

 

[The Times]

But nowhere in the OP was self-righteousness claimed. That's your assumption, which would be incorrect

The OP using the personal pronoun in the following statement :I am as righteous as Jesus" certainly is declaring self rigtheousness, if words and sentences have meaning at all.

The OP also never indicates that it's necessarily a good statement to make. It was simply, is it truthful or blasphemy.

The answer should then be a no brainer, that is if the OP implies that it is not necessarly a good statement to make.

So the answer would be blasphemy, case closed right?

And I still contend that any righteousness we have is imputed. So if I'm in Christ, and He is in me, then there's no condemnation.

The word imputed is openly declaring another person's rigtheousness credited onto us, in order to pardon us from condemnation, which follows that if we required this GRACE, we would be acknowledged by God as the unrighteous party requiring justification, is that right?

If I'm seated with Christ, that would put my imputed righteousness, that given to me as a new creation, on par with Christ's.

There is no "MY" imputed righteousness in the equation of justification by the Grace of God. There is no PARness with Christ's righteousness, as we can't claim righteousness, just because we are being paroled by another party's righteousness.

The illogical statement of us becoming the righteous party is riddled with errors. A Judge shows mercy by pardoning a prisoner, so a prisoner assumes that he too is merciful? Really! Come on friends, please think deeper!

Paul used the title I am a prisoner of Christ, meaning greatly indebted to him. We can say we are greatly indebted to Christ Jesus, when he used his righteousness to free us from condemning, but we cannot claim....

I am as righteous as Jesus as the OP states.

So while the statement could rightfully be misunderstood, it is theologically correct.

The statement has logical fallacies as explained above.

A Judge shows that he is merciful and shows mercy to a prisoner by pardoning them and placing them on parol, provided they partake in a rehab program. So if we take your theological statement and apply it, then it can be said....

The prisoner regards himself/herself merciful like the judge.

 

[Hammster]

The OP using the personal pronoun in the following statement :I am as righteous as Jesus" certainly is declaring self rigtheousness, if words and sentences have meaning at all.



The answer should then be a no brainer, that is if the OP implies that it is not necessarly a good statement to make.

So the answer would be blasphemy, case closed right?



The word imputed is openly declaring another person's rigtheousness credited onto us, in order to pardon us from condemnation, which follows that if we required this GRACE, we would be acknowledged by God as the unrighteous party requiring justification, is that right?



There is no "MY" imputed righteousness in the equation of justification by the Grace of God. There is no PARness with Christ's righteousness, as we can't claim righteousness, just because we are being paroled by another party's righteousness.

The illogical statement of us becoming the righteous party is riddled with errors. A Judge shows mercy by pardoning a prisoner, so a prisoner assumes that he too is merciful? Really! Come on friends, please think deeper!

Paul used the title I am a prisoner of Christ, meaning greatly indebted to him. We can say we are greatly indebted to Christ Jesus, when he used his righteousness to free us from condemning, but we cannot claim....

I am as righteous as Jesus as the OP states.



The statement has logical fallacies as explained above.

A Judge shows that he is merciful and shows mercy to a prisoner by pardoning them and placing them on parol, provided they partake in a rehab program. So if we take your theological statement and apply it, then it can be said....

The prisoner regards himself/herself merciful like the judge.

I guess if we use your example, you would be right.

But if we stick with scripture...

Oh, and as the OP I can tell you what was meant by the statement. No self-righteousness involved.

 

[dreadnought]

Yes. Being justified is being declared righteous. So if God calls you righteous, you are righteous.

The Lord won't call you righteous if you aren't.

 

[Hammster]

The Lord won't call you righteous if you aren't.

Then we have no hope.

 

[Neogaia777]

Self righteousness is "our" righteousness (as and is as opposed to Christ's), while the righteousness that God gives is his righteousness... and so, it is not ours, but his in us...

Self-righteousness or our righteousness by our own personal will in deciding right from wrong, while the righteousness that God gives is based on his righteousness or his will in deciding right from wrong...

Now, righteousness is always being, doing, and taking a stand when necessary, for what is "right", but when it's our own, it is sin... But, not when it is in God's in us, and we are aware that it is all him and none of us, like the Holy angels... We are just messengers, representatives and witnesses of God....

Anyhow,

God Bless!

 

[The Times]

Well, being justified is being declared righteous. So there's that.

No, because being legally pardoned from any wrong doing by another party's righteousness, is openly acknowledging that the person requiring justification by Grace is a guilty party, therefore unrighteous.

Scripture doesn't use the word declare to anounce self righteousness of the person being justified. It would be a logical fallacy if the justified believed that they were righteous.

Justification doesn't make a person righteous overnight. In fact Jesus said to be faithful even onto death and I will then give you a crown of rigtheousness/life.
The life long sanctification process is the temporal purgation of the old carnal self to a new selfless prisoner of Christ.

We cannot claim to be righteous like Jesus in this temporal life, neither does God declare us as righteous.

We are fickle beings who turn on a dime and we have not yet come to the fullness of Christ, until we are declared by the righteous judge, only after we die and are judged as righteous.

 

[Hammster]

Self righteousness is "our" righteousness (as and is as opposed to Christ's), while the righteousness that God gives is his righteousness... and so, it is not ours, but his in us...

Self-righteousness or our righteousness by our own personal will in deciding right from wrong, while the righteousness that God gives is based on his righteousness or his will in deciding right from wrong...

Now, righteousness is always being, doing, and taking a stand when necessary, for what is "right", but when it's our own, it is sin... But, not when it is in God's in us, and we are aware that it is all him and none of us, like the Holy angels... We are just messengers, representatives and witnesses of God....

Anyhow,

God Bless!

Self-righteousness is saying we are righteous because of something we've done.

 

[The Times]

Oh, and as the OP I can tell you what was meant by the statement. No self-righteousness involved.

Good, we are getting somewhere. So maybe elaborate more in the OP, by adding this minor detail, so people would understand your question better. Thanks.

 

[Hammster]

No, because being legally pardoned from any wrong doing by another party's righteousness, is openly acknowledging that the person requiring justification by Grace is a guilty party, therefore unrighteous.

Scripture doesn't use the word declare to anounce self righteousness of the person being justified. It would be a logical fallacy if the justified believed that they were righteous.

Justification doesn't make a person righteous overnight. In fact Jesus said to be faithful even onto death and I will then give you a crown of rigtheousness/life.
The life long sanctification process is the temporal purgation of the old carnal self to a new selfless prisoner of Christ.

We cannot claim to be righteous like Jesus in this temporal life, neither does God declare us as righteous.

We are fickle beings who turn on a dime and we have not yet come to the fullness of Christ, until we are declared by the righteous judge, only after we die and are judged as righteous.

Scripture doesn't need to say we are declared righteous. It's the definition of justification.

 

[Hammster]

Good, we are getting somewhere. So maybe elaborate more in the OP, by adding this minor detail, so people would understand your question better. Thanks.

It was deliberately stated that way.

 

[The Times]

Then we have no hope.

We have hope, but that hope is firmly rested in Jesus Christ and certainly not us.

We enter Christ's fullness, when we become selfless and come before his feet as broken and contrite hearts.

Hope is Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ is Righteousness!

 

[The Times]

It was deliberately stated that way.

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This is just silly. So much going round about when the answers are simply in the Bible. This just so happens to be one of them (I posted another on the 1st page):

Ambassadors for Christ
2 Corrinthians 5:18-21
"Everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: That is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, certain that God is appealing through us. We plead on Christ’s behalf, “Be reconciled to God.” He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

2 Corinthians 5:21 says,
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

I will relate a similar passage.

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (1 Peter 2:24).

Peter quotes the famous Isaiah 53 piece of Scripture that says, "by whose stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5).

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5).

But if we were to skip back to 1 Peter 2:24, we would see something that often gets neglected.
Peter also says in that verse,

"...we... should live unto righteousness..."

2 Corinthians 5:21 is saying,
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Paul says here that we "might" .... "be made" the righteousness of God in Him (Christ).
This means that we may be made so as to live our life righteously according to God's ways while we abide in Christ. In John 15:5, Christ said we can do nothing without Him. Jesus is God; And Scripture says,

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13).

So Christ (God) works in us the righteousness of God by our surrendering to His will in obeying His commands in the New Testament. We are to pick up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow Jesus. This is only possible if we are forgiven by Jesus and given a new heart spiritually by Him when we believed the gospel.

So 2 Corinthians 5:21 is not saying we are positionally righteous, but it is saying we can be practically righteous by abiding in Christ and His good ways after we accept His free love gift.

 

[The Times]

Self righteousness is "our" righteousness (as and is as opposed to Christ's), while the righteousness that God gives is his righteousness... and so, it is not ours, but his in us...

Self-righteousness or our righteousness by our own personal will in deciding right from wrong, while the righteousness that God gives is based on his righteousness or his will in deciding right from wrong...

Now, righteousness is always being, doing, and taking a stand when necessary, for what is "right", but when it's our own, it is sin... But, not when it is in God's in us, and we are aware that it is all him and none of us, like the Holy angels... We are just messengers, representatives and witnesses of God....

Anyhow,

God Bless!

We approach the fullness of Christ Jesus when we become dead to the self.

I am NOT righteous like Jesus.
I am not I but his vessel to do as he pleases.
For what works he does in me, I partake with Him in joy and gladness, for that is my reward.

 

[Neogaia777]

Self-righteousness is saying we are righteous because of something we've done.

Or being righteous, cause of something we decided, and not God...

 

[Hammster]

We have hope, but that hope is firmly rested in Jesus Christ and certainly not us.

We enter Christ's fullness, when we become selfless and come before his feet as broken and contrite hearts.

Hope is Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ is Righteousness!

I don't think anyone claimed our hope was in anything but Christ. That's where our righteousness comes from.

 

[Hammster]

2 Corinthians 5:21 says,
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

I will relate a similar passage.

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (1 Peter 2:24).

Peter quotes the famous Isaiah 53 piece of Scripture that says, "by whose stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5).

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5).

But if we were to skip back to 1 Peter 2:24, we would see something that often gets neglected.
Peter also says in that verse,

"...we... should live unto righteousness..."

2 Corinthians 5:21 is saying,
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Paul says here that we "might" .... "be made" the righteousness of God in Him (Christ).
This means that we may be made so as to live our life righteously according to God's ways while we abide in Christ. In John 15:5, Christ said we can do nothing without Him. Jesus is God; And Scripture says,

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13).

So Christ (God) works in us the righteousness of God by our surrendering to His will in obeying His commands in the New Testament. We are to pick up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow Jesus. This is only possible if we are forgiven by Jesus and given a new heart spiritually by Him when we believed the gospel.

So 2 Corinthians 5:21 is not saying we are positionally righteous, but it is saying we can be practically righteous by abiding in Christ and His good ways after we accept His free love gift.

You sure read a lot into the text that just isn't there.