I am as righteous as Jesus

[Truthfrees]

Yet you did.


Which is really no different than what's stated in the OP.

as this is a partial quote of my post i will not answer

quote me in entirety if you wish a reply my friend

 

[Hammster]

as this is a partial quote of my post i will not answer

quote me in entirety if you wish a reply my friend

I quoted the part you said we should say. So the context is in tact. Really. You actually said "the correct statement should be".

So I used what you said the correct statement should be.

And now we have to play this little game which distracts from the thread.

 

[Truthfrees]

I quoted the part you said we should say. So the context is in tact. Really. You actually said "the correct statement should be".

So I used what you said the correct statement should be.

And now we have to play this little game which distracts from the thread.

my entire post makes what i said clear - a partial quote does not

that way we can stay on track with the op

 

[Hammster]

my entire post makes what i said clear - a partial quote does not

that way we can stay on track with the op

I was. You derailed.

God bless.

 

[Truthfrees]

I was. You derailed.

God bless.

i disagree

 

[Hammster]

i disagree

 

[jimmyjimmy]

It's shocking that such a straightforward question, as in the OP, should require so many posts. It reveals that most have no clue of the basic doctrines of Christianity.

 

[Hammster]

It's shocking that such a straightforward question, as in the OP, should require so many posts. It reveals that most have no clue of the basic doctrines of Christianity.

It would seem that way.

 

[Blade]

It's shocking that such a straightforward question, as in the OP, should require so many posts. It reveals that most have no clue of the basic doctrines of Christianity.

I believe its the "as Christ" that throws some off. You would think the one verse would say it all.

 

[dreadnought]

Okay. Have you been justified by faith?

"Justified by faith" is a phrase people use. I suppose it depends on how you define it.

 

[Rescued One]

Truthfrees and Hammster, you are arguing past each other. It looks like a communication problem.

I'm going to Heaven because Jesus paid my debt. "All to Him I owe!"

 

[Truthfrees]

Truthfrees and Hammster, you are arguing past each other. It looks like a communication problem.

I'm going to Heaven because Jesus paid my debt. "All to Him I owe!"

amen to all you said

 

[Hammster]

"Justified by faith" is a phrase people use. I suppose it depends on how you define it.

It's a phrase Paul used.

Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. - Romans 5:1

 

[dreadnought]

It's a phrase Paul used.

Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. - Romans 5:1

Why do you want to know if i am justified by faith?

 

[Hammster]

Why do you want to know if i am justified by faith?

Because you said

Hopefully you'll never catch me saying that I am as righteous as Jesus.

 

[dreadnought]

Because you said

Is there a connection?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Justified by faith" is a phrase people use. I suppose it depends on how you define it.

It's a phrase Paul used.

Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. - Romans 5:1

Perhaps it might be best to look at where that word is used in other places in the NT

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
Strong's Number G1344 matches the Greek δικαιόω (dikaioō), which occurs 48 times in 36 verses in the Greek concordance
1344. dikaioo dik-ah-yo'-o from 1342; to render (i.e. show or regard as) just or innocent:--free, justify(-ier), be righteous.
1345. dikaioma dik-ah'-yo-mah from 1344; an equitable deed; by implication, a statute or decision:--judgment, justification, ordinance, righteousness
1347. dikaiosis dik-ah'-yo-sis from 1344; aquittal (for Christ's sake):--justification.

1 Corin 6:11
And certain of you were these!
But ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.

Reve 7:14
And I said to him, “Sir,[fn] you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[Rescued One]

"Justified by faith" is a phrase people use. I suppose it depends on how you define it.

Romans 5 (NIV)
1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 2 (KJV)
8For by grace are ye saved through faith

 

[The Times]

A saved person says, "I am as righteous as Jesus."

Truth or blasphemy?

You do realise that your OP uses a personal pronoun "I am", by directly comparing on PAR the righteousness of the self to that of God.

No created being can make this comparison of righteousness with Deity.

In the OP a personal pronoun I am is declaring oneself as rigtheous on PAR with Deity.

If a claim like the OP is made by an individual, then it falls in the blasphemous category.

It is the same charge that the Pharisees charged Jesus with because they did not believe that he was God.

"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (John 10:33)

I'll try it this way. In heaven, when we finish the race and are given new bodies and are sinless, etc., we are still declared righteous.

Declaring yourself as rigtheous as what the OP implies and being considered righteous because of the righteousness of Deity Jesus Christ, are entirely two contrastly different matters.

The OP implies the righteousness of the self, whilst the other legalistically clears (justifies) the other party of any wrong doing because of the righteousness of another and by doing this, it therefore follows that the party being justified by another is openly being acknowlefged as unrighteous, otherwise why would another party be required on behalf of the unrighteous party to justify them in the first place. It therefore begs the question does it not?

In heaven, when we finish the race and are given new bodies and are sinless, etc., we are still declared righteous. We still have no righteousness of our own because of our past

Incorrect friend. Firstly, the OP implies by using a personal pronoun I am as rigtheous as Jesus, which does not match up with your statement above that "we still have no rigtheousness of our own".

It seems that you have changed the goal posts of the OP now.

So I would kindly like to ask you which one is it, the righteousness of the self or the righteousness of Deity?

Lastly, in Heaven the past does not come into play, the individual no longer needs another party to legally justify them and therefore it is at this point in eternity that the individual is acknowledged as rigtheous on their own.

In Heaven the Saint is acknowledged as righteous on their own and this is the "crown of rigtheousness" that Paul talks about in Timothy after he dies and he is judged to be found worthy to receive this honour of acknowledgememt.

So we are declared righteous now (justification) and will still be declared righteous then.

No friend, NOW, we are acknowledged as unrighteous, hence why we are being justified or cleared of any wrong doing by the righteousness of another party. THEN, in Heaven, the individual themselves is acknowledged as righteous on their own.

In the temporal life the believer is acknowledged as unrighteous needing a saviour and in the eternal life the believer is acknowledged as righteous not requiring another parrty to justify and to save them.

But for the point of the thread, there will be no difference in our state of righteousness because it's never our righteousness to begin with.

After all I have elaborately explained above, the statement above becomes convoluted at best and truly deflects from the OP claim of self righteousness in the temporal life.

 

[Hammster]

Is there a connection?

Yes. Being justified is being declared righteous. So if God calls you righteous, you are righteous.