[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

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Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

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D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandment sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the ending concluding segment - that might help shed even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this


Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.




Read the actual post.


Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.



but did not prove that my claim is in error when I said - "Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden." -- as we all know.

I love reminding people of the "details".

I read you post and I also read your formal debate with bugkiller. I love details too!

 

[BobRyan]

I read you post and I also read your formal debate with bugkiller. I love details too!

Me too! I read them and love to repeat those same irrefutable arguments here -- all day long if people wish. It never gets old that way people can see for themselves - the points raised ...

As was demonstrated - irrefutably - in this post on this same thread.
Yesterday at 12:33 AM #578

I would gladly post it "again" for anyone who says they don't remember the points as stated or want to see it on a later post -- or would like to have a shot at refuting it.

 

[Bob S]

Instead of relying on the SDA church for the historical facts on when Sunday became the day of coming together, explore other history. Of course the SDAs are going to slant things their way leaving out historical facts.

The Epistle of Barnabas, Justin, Clement of Alexandria and Ignatius all wrote about Sunday being the day Christians worshiped. All were 2nd Century writers. Making believe it is the Catholic church that is the little horn is pure speculation. It fits their scenario, but it certainly does not fit the writings of the Apostle Paul.

 

[BobRyan]

Instead of relying on the SDA church for the historical facts on when Sunday became the day of coming together, explore other history.

Yesterday at 12:33 AM #578 -- not a reference to an SDA source

The Epistle of Barnabas, Justin, Clement of Alexandria and Ignatius all wrote about Sunday being the day Christians worshiped. All were 2nd Century writers. Making believe it is the Catholic church that is the little horn is pure speculation. It fits their scenario, but it certainly does not fit the writings of the Apostle Paul.

1. Not the Bible
2. The majority Ignatius letters have been proven and accepted by all scholars to be corrupt... fakes. Thus Calvin and Luther both rejected them as corrupt ... Calvin and Luther also not SDAs.

The point remains.

 

[CDF47]

Instead of relying on the SDA church for the historical facts on when Sunday became the day of coming together, explore other history. Of course the SDAs are going to slant things their way leaving out historical facts.

It's not just the SDA. This came up during the Protestant reformation.

 

[CDF47]

Shabbat Shalom!

 

[BobRyan]

It's not just the SDA. This came up during the Protestant reformation.

Very true - but there are one or two ex-SDAs on this board that argue as if every point.. every topic has to do with SDA originated teaching.

 

[Bob S]

It's not just the SDA. This came up during the Protestant reformation.

It did? Where? I would like to read about their discovery.

I have never argued that SDAs originated anything about the Catholic church. Ellen White was a great plagiarist. She used the thoughts of her contemporaries and made it appear she was a great historian. I blame the SDA church for propagating untruth. Where there is no law there is no sin. There is no Christian Sabbath therefore there is no sin.

 

[CDF47]

Very true - but there are one or two ex-SDAs on this board that argue as if every point.. every topic has to do with SDA originated teaching.

Oh, I see.

 

[CDF47]

It did? Where? I would like to read about their discovery.

I have never argued that SDAs originated anything about the Catholic church. Ellen White was a great plagiarist. She used the thoughts of her contemporaries and made it appear she was a great historian. I blame the SDA church for propagating untruth. Where there is no law there is no sin. There is no Christian Sabbath therefore there is no sin.

Early Protestants believed the RCC was the antichrist system. I agree. I think Ellen White was a false prophetess.

 

[Dkh587]

Shabbat Shalom!

Shabbat Shalom to you and everybody in here

 

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Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

========================================
D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

------------------------------------------

This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandment sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the ending concluding segment - that might help shed even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this


Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.




Read the actual post.


Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

This detail is irrefutable



but did not prove that my claim is in error when I said - "Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden." -- as we all know.

I love reminding people of the "details".

D. L. Moody didn't keep the 7th day sabbath as the same site you quote says. When Moody says the sabbath he is talking bout Sunday. Even if I c & p the quote you won't accept it just like what you post proves you didn't accept it when buggy quoted it.

 

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Usually I have a hard time agreeing with some part of your post - but that part does ring true.. so then.. yes I agree with that. The LAW was not given "as a Saviour for lost sinners" rather the LAW is written on the heart under the NEW Covenant for those that are saved saints... and for the lost well it merely condemns them as being "the lost".

God's law yes, the ten commandments no. See Jeremiah 31:31-33. Verse 33 is taken from the sentence and divorced from the context to support your idea the ten commandments are written on the heart.

 

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Yesterday at 12:33 AM #578 -- not a reference to an SDA source




1. Not the Bible
2. The majority Ignatius letters have been proven and accepted by all scholars to be corrupt... fakes. Thus Calvin and Luther both rejected them as corrupt ... Calvin and Luther also not SDAs.

The point remains.

Following your tradition of misquoting and applying non intended meanings to a select group of words. Moody didn't keep the 7th day sabbath and can't be supporting it with his sermon.

 

[listed]

Yesterday at 12:33 AM #578 -- not a reference to an SDA source




1. Not the Bible
2. The majority Ignatius letters have been proven and accepted by all scholars to be corrupt... fakes. Thus Calvin and Luther both rejected them as corrupt ... Calvin and Luther also not SDAs.

The point remains.

Present a source proving this material is fake about the sabbath or Sunday.

 

[listed]

It's not just the SDA. This came up during the Protestant reformation.

Unsupported opinion.

 

[listed]

Very true - but there are one or two ex-SDAs on this board that argue as if every point.. every topic has to do with SDA originated teaching.

Unless your statements are backed with quotes from original documents your material is SDA originated.

 

[BobRyan]

Unless your statements are backed with quotes from original documents your material is SDA originated.

Because "I AM" SDA? I am "THE" SDA source???

hmmm... I like that!

 

[BobRyan]

Following your tradition of misquoting and applying non intended meanings to a select group of words. Moody didn't keep the 7th day sabbath and can't be supporting it with his sermon.

ad hominem straw man where you are merely quoting "you" again?

How surprising.

here is what Moody actually said "in real life" and also what I actually said about Moody's statement "in real life".

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None of those scholars teach or practice the sabbath. Genesis 2 says nothing about a day of worship. We both know it.

Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

========================================
D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

------------------------------------------

This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandment sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the ending concluding segment - that might help shed even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this


Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

No DL Moody doesn't agree and practice the 7th day sabbath.

Read the actual post.


Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

This detail is irrefutable

Bugkiller proved this with a quote from your quotted and referenced site.

but did not prove that my claim is in error when I said - "Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden." -- as we all know.

I love reminding people of the "details".

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D.L. Moody in that same sermon on the TEN Commandments when it comes to the day of worship "There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath. Saturday is my day of rest, because I generally preach on Sunday, and I look forward to it as a boy does to a holiday. God knows what we need."

I have Moody in my list of "pro-Sunday-Sabbath" quotes because no matter that he kept the actual Bible Sabbath Saturday - I think he thought that keeping Sunday was just the same or better.

 

[BobRyan]

Shabbat Shalom to you and everybody in here

Shabbat Shalom