[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[CDF47]

I did not attack them. I believe there are some very sincere Christians posing as MJ and SDA. I can not recommend either group for the same reason - false doctrine. I personally do not like having to sort through the dumpster for truth.

bugkiller

I agree the SDA has a lot of false doctrine and a lot of truth. I agree there are good sincere Christians in the SDA.

The MJ generally have better doctrine in my opinion, although you have to be careful which MJ church you attend because some have bad doctrine.

 

[CDF47]

Mark 7:6-13 comes to mind.

” 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

That could be the intent. The papacy changed the Commandments by combining and moving them around and the times may be the Sabbath change they take credit for.

 

[listed]

God says it was sanctified and set apart as the day of worship in Genesis 2.. as scholars on both sides of the Sabbath vs Sunday debate freely admit ... as the Bible clearly says in Exodus 20:11 and Genesis 2:3 and as Christ affirms in Mark 2:27 when speaking of the Genesis account and the making of both mankind and the Sabbath.

None of those scholars teach or practice the sabbath. Genesis 2 says nothing about a day of worship. We both know it.

 

[CDF47]

True. "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18... two commandments in the LAW of Moses upon which all other Law and prophets depend - including the command to 'not take God's name in vain' ...which is never quoted in the NT, and not found at all in the book of Genesis.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

When both sides of the debate can freely admit to seeing the same obvious Bible detail.. well it just does not get any easier than that .

Great point.

 

[Bob S]

Yes, that is what He is stating but He also says all the Law and prophets hang on these two commandments. Love is also about following Commandments like not stealing, murdering, using the Lord's name in vain,... The Sabbath day is part of the Law. That is a day the Lord sanctified (made holy) from the beginning of creation.

So, if you take that to mean we must keep all the law given only to Israel then you will have to start learning all of the 613 laws and sort out the ones that will personally control your life. Is that really what you prefer to do? I believe you should go back and read all the posts in opposition to keeping the old covenant Sabbath that was given only to Israel. We are trying to, with scripture, show you we are not subject to keeping ritual days of the old covenant.

Love is the commandment. Read the book of John. It is not love of a day that Jesus wants, it is love of each other. The keeping of days was required by God for Israel. The new covenant is not about keeping old covenant, for Israel only, days. Keeping days is a distraction. Did Your read my post about the restrictive nature keeping Sabbath was in my life? Preparing for the now defunct Sabbath was very time consuming and tiring. Then, too, the guilt I had because I could never really "keep" the day Holy was tremendous. I would not want to subject my mind to that or allow someone else to control it ever again. Some churches are very good at controlling minds. We see it here in the forum. We lead them to the fountain of truth and they refuse to drink.

The new covenant law is not about keeping ritual days, thank you Jesus.

 

[listed]

I agree the SDA has a lot of false doctrine and a lot of truth. I agree there are good sincere Christians in the SDA.

The MJ generally have better doctrine in my opinion, although you have to be careful which MJ church you attend because some have bad doctrine.

If a lie and the truth are mixed together, what do you have? A LIE!

 

[CDF47]

Love is the commandment. Read the book of John. It is not love of a day that Jesus wants, it is love of each other. The keeping of days was required by God for Israel. The new covenant is not about keeping old covenant, for Israel only, days. Keeping days is a distraction. Did Your read my post about the restrictive nature keeping Sabbath was in my life? Preparing for the now defunct Sabbath was very time consuming and tiring. Then, too, the guilt I had because I could never really "keep" the day Holy was tremendous. I would not want to subject my mind to that or allow someone else to control it ever again. Some churches are very good at controlling minds. We see it here in the forum. We lead them to the fountain of truth and they refuse to drink.

I did see your post about that. I know it can be restricting, I have felt the affects of that myself and I too can not fully keep the day of rest to the letter of the Law.

 

[CDF47]

If a lie and the truth are mixed together, what do you have? A LIE!

That's right, not only a lie but a more effective lie, as the truth draws people in to believe and then the lies come in. That's how disinformation commonly works and the devil and his minions are professionals at that. There are more lies about Christianity than politics, warfare, and science combined.

I am not an SDA. I studied with them in the past though.

 

[BobRyan]

None of those scholars teach or practice the sabbath. Genesis 2 says nothing about a day of worship. We both know it.

Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

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D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandment sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the ending concluding segment - that might help shed even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this

 

[CDF47]

Even D.L. Moody agrees that the Sabbath was binding on all mankind - starting in Eden.

========================================
D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandm[FONT=&quot]ent sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the en[FONT=&quot]ding concluding segment - that might help she[FONT=&quot]d even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this

Some good points for keeping the Sabbath. I use to feel just as strong but now I am not as sure as I once was with some of the counter claims here. I am not sure if someone must keep the Sabbath day holy still but I think they should, like the 74 percent that voted in this poll.

 

[BobRyan]

Some good points for keeping the Sabbath. I use to feel just as strong but now I am not as sure as I once was with some of the counter claims here. I am not sure if someone must keep the Sabbath day holy still but I think they should, like the 74 percent that voted in this poll.

Westminster Confession of Faith on the same point.
Oct 8, 2015 #5

Baptist Confession of Faith - on the same point -

Oct 8, 2015 #7

Once everyone agrees that "editing the Law of God is out" -- the rest is pretty easy.

 

[Bob S]

That's right, not only a lie but a more effective lie, as the truth draws people in to believe and then the lies come in. That's how disinformation commonly works and the devil and his minions are professionals at that. There are more lies about Christianity than politics, warfare, and science combined.

I am not an SDA. I studied with them in the past though.

I did too. After so much indoctrination our minds allow ourselves to be controlled. It is a miracle when people finally see the real truth and go out the back door of the Sabbath observing churches. If God intended for man to observe a day from creation on wouldn't you think it would be recorded someplace in scripture that it occurred? If it is so important that the SDA prophet wrote that it means our salvation to keep it wouldn't you think God would have revealed that to all the millions of gentiles around the Earth. Yet we have absolutely no evidence of anyone ever keeping any day except the Israelites. Deut even tells us in Deut 5 that the 10 commandments was not with their forefathers.

 

[CDF47]

Westminster Confession of Faith on the same point.
Oct 8, 2015 #5

Baptist Confession of Faith - on the same point -

Oct 8, 2015 #7

Once everyone agrees that "editing the Law of God is out" -- the rest is pretty easy.

I agree. The attempted times change Daniel refers to has to be the change of the Sabbath day.

 

[CDF47]

I did too. After so much indoctrination our minds allow ourselves to be controlled. It is a miracle when people finally see the real truth and go out the back door of the Sabbath observing churches. If God intended for man to observe a day from creation on wouldn't you think it would be recorded someplace in scripture that it occurred? If it is so important that the SDA prophet wrote that it means our salvation to keep it wouldn't you think God would have revealed that to all the millions of gentiles around the Earth. Yet we have absolutely no evidence of anyone ever keeping any day except the Israelites. Deut even tells us in Deut 5 that the 10 commandments was not with their forefathers.

I left as well but I am trying to figure the truth from the lies because there is a lot of truth they give you up front prior to Ellen White jumping in who I feel is a false prophetess. Where in Deut 5 does it say that?

 

[Dkh587]

Some good points for keeping the Sabbath. I use to feel just as strong but now I am not as sure as I once was with some of the counter claims here. I am not sure if someone must keep the Sabbath day holy still but I think they should, like the 74 percent that voted in this poll.

Don't let anybody persuade you to disobey God's command to remember/keep/guard the Sabbath

Remember what Christ said:

The Sabbath was made for man.

The goal of the devil is to get us to discard and disobey God's commands. If you find anybody encouraging you and teaching you to disobey God, or to stop obeying/keeping His commands, think long and hard about that person - it's not a person you should be listening to

Love of God = obeying His commandments(which includes Sabbath)

1 John 5:2-3 NLT
We know we love God’s children if we love God and obey his commandments.
Loving God means keeping his commandments, and his commandments are not burdensome.

According to God in Deuteronomy 13, persuading and enticing people to disobey and abandon God's commands is worthy of death. It's that serious. God doesn't like people leading his children astray.

There are plenty of people everywhere(including this board) doing the above mentioned. Be careful. Peace.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Don't let anybody persuade you to disobey God's command to remember/keep/guard the Sabbath

Remember what Christ said:

The Sabbath was made for man.

The goal of the devil is to get us to discard and disobey God's commands. If you find anybody encouraging you and teaching you to disobey God, or to stop obeying/keeping His commands, think long and hard about that person - it's not a person you should be listening to

Love of God = obeying His commandments(which includes Sabbath)





According to God in Deuteronomy 13, persuading and enticing people to disobey and abandon God's commands is worthy of death. It's that serious. God doesn't like people leading his children astray.

There are plenty of people everywhere(including this board) doing the above mentioned. Be careful. Peace.

Tell me a law you obey that the Pharisees of Jesus day did not obey?
How does your righteousness exceed theirs?

 

[stuart lawrence]

It's not an external written down law anymore. It's an internal law written in the mind and placed in the heart of every Christian. To read many comments, it appears for some, it is not an internal, but external law

 

[BobRyan]

Where in Deut 5 does it say that?

Deut 5 says first and foremost to recall the Commands spoken by God at Sinai 40 years before - rather than "forget what God actually spoke - I am giving you a change of orders" --

"“Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb."

4 The Lord spoke to you face to face at the mountain from the midst of the fire, 5 while I was standing between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain. He said,
6 ‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
7 ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

Very different from "Forget whatever the LORD said when he spoke to you -- I am now making up new stuff" as we all can see and all can agree.

 

[Uber Genius]

Yes, that is what He is stating but He also says all the Law and prophets hang on these two commandments. Love is also about following Commandments like not stealing, murdering, using the Lord's name in vain,... The Sabbath day is part of the Law. That is a day the Lord sanctified (made holy) from the beginning of creation.

While I respect your commitment to keep the commandments, and recognize that the issue of Sabbath-keeping is a live option, one that I could presently have false beliefs about (as I don't keep sabbath), this exegesis of the passage above seems wrong construed.

The context is not if you want to demonstrate love of God according to Shema, then keep all the commandments, but instead, if you want to keep the law love God and love your neighbor. So I would not choose this scripture to support a keeping-the-commandments inference.

This scripture is data used to support a premise in an argument that the law has fulfilled God's purposes. At least it seems that way.

 

[Uber Genius]

It can't be the Jewish Sabbath because "one man observes one above the other while another man observes them all" is talking about a "Set of days" - to observe... at set of days where God does not condemn any of them. That set of annual Sabbaths is found in Lev 23... they are the annual feast days.

Okay, so your point is the scholars have it wrong and there are only three live options. Thanks. Please reply with a peer-reviewed scholarly journal article that support your claim. I have dozens that support my claim as a live option out of four.