So what's with all the weird stuff

[Goatee]

And I would say the same to you, but go a step further saying...

What you believe in is borderline anti-Christ. You deny and pervert the words of Jesus and all the prophets, entire books of Prophecy, entire chapters, and probably close to a thousand verses total of God's Prophetic Word, taking away the beatuy and power of His foreknowledge and the outpouring of His Spirit meant for the end-time generation that sees its fulfillment.

No, what I believe in is the words of Jesus Christ. What you believe in is twisting scripture to suit YOUR own individual belief system.

Many read scripture without thinking that it was written in a time when people were used to the way these things were written. It was written for the people of that time in a way that they knew how to read it. Today, we read it with a modern 'look or 'eye'.

You are indeed stuck in the mud with your own view my dear buddy.

Jesus came and conquered. Jesus spoke of the Apostles generation. Jesus spoke only the truth.

Leaving this thread now.

God bless you all

 

[tdidymas]

Actually it does refer to Judah, the Jewish people. Its an allegory for them, used several times in the Bible. Jeremiah 24:5-7, Habakkuk 3:17, [Israel is the vine, Isaiah 5:7a] Matthew 21:19
We know that Matthew 24:32-34 is a prophecy about Judah and their becoming a nation again because we have seen it happen. Undoubtedly God had a hand in their establishment and survival.
So it is only those who want to avoid any nasty or dramatic things happening them, who deny the truth of 'our generation', being the one that will 'see it all'.

It clearly states that it is a parable, not an allegory.
TD

 

[tdidymas]

I don't think you know what the temple complex grounds were like.

I pay attention, just not to people like you.

Earlier you said,

You have issues. No bible says they were looking at the temple. V. 1 in every bible says Jesus went OUT and DEPARTED from the temple.

Yes you should!
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
AFTER they departed the temple with Jesus, they were standing on the temple grounds, and likely ready to exit the entire complex when the disciples asked Jesus to show them the (other) buildings of the Temple complex.

The interlinear words it like this...I don't imagine you care.
Jesus coming-out and went from the sacred place. and his disciples approached him to-exhibit the home buildings of the sacred place.

You said,

Incorrect, they had already DEPARTED the TEMPLE.
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple:

They did? Where?!

That's an absolute fabrication! They were looking at ALL the buildings of the temple complex. They had just departed the Temple itself where Jesus likely familiarized and spoke to them about it. After they exited the Temple, they wanted Jesus to show them the other buildings of the Temple grounds/complex. The best translation says..."As Jesus left and was going out of the temple complex,"...

That's right, how did you get it so wrong?


You're still right in the middle of it.

Sounds like you're waiting for a nuclear holocaust.

1 Tim. 6:20 "O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called knowledge"
TD

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Hal A Peno]

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[jgr]

The timeline you accept makes no sense. Mathew wrote chapter 24 in AD 65, (actually later, I'm just accepting YOUR date for the sake of argument). According to you, the end of the world came in AD 70, the gospell and the entire book of Revelation, to include a host of Old Testament prophecies had 5 years to be fulfilled in a time of severe Roman persecution. So the gospel had only 5 years to be preached, taught, copied, and distributed "as a witness" throughout the world...ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS AND FOOLISH.

Mathew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The gospell is still being preached???!!!

ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS AND FOOLISH is a perfect description of the refusal to believe the Scripture's plain declaration that the Gospel reached the whole world in that day.


Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[keras]

It clearly states that it is a parable, not an allegory.
TD

Oh really?
Matthew 24:32-34 Learn a lesson from the fig tree......REB, NIV, CJB, etc A lesson, not a parable.
Only the KJV says 'parable'. A typical mis-translation of the KJV.

But what you and all who think the world will just carry on as it is forever, or at least for your lifetime, need to realize: there is about to happen world changing events. The Prophets tell us everything about it and what follows. Why shouldn't you be aware and prepared, as God wants us to be?

 

[Amazing Horse]

Let's say we put 100b people since 90 AD and everybody pick date and hour , wouldn't it be possible that at least one man knew day and hour ? Yet Jesus say that nobody knows.

My theory is that nobody knows because it's literally between days on some feast maybe Rosh Hashana , so nobody can know day and nobody can know hour even if people tried to know it . I base it on this : Luke 12:38


And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

It's not second and not third , but all of them , but what is watch ?

This is how Jewish day looks like , they don't start day at 00:00 like we do . For Jews 00:00 is middle of night , end of 2nd watch start of 3rd watch .

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So if you guys think i might be right then giv my horse Winner medal he will like it .

 

[Dave Watchman]

So if you guys think i might be right then giv my horse Winner medal he will like it .

Your horse might be on to something.

 

[tdidymas]

Oh really?
Matthew 24:32-34 Learn a lesson from the fig tree......REB, NIV, CJB, etc A lesson, not a parable.
Only the KJV says 'parable'. A typical mis-translation of the KJV.

But what you and all who think the world will just carry on as it is forever, or at least for your lifetime, need to realize: there is about to happen world changing events. The Prophets tell us everything about it and what follows. Why shouldn't you be aware and prepared, as God wants us to be?

The Greek term is parabolē, so it is not a mistranslation. Such rash arguments with no depth of study is typical of the pretrib camp.
TD

 

[keras]

The Greek term is parabolē, so it is not a mistranslation. Such rash arguments with no depth of study is typical of the pretrib camp.

Firstly, I am not pre-trib. I do not believe in any rapture to heaven.

What Jesus said in Luke 21:29-32 is for our edification and a fig tree represents Judah, the Jews. They have now made a part of the holy Land fruitful, in fulfilment of that prophecy. Soon to come is Luke 21:25-26

 

[Amazing Horse]

Firstly, I am not pre-trib. I do not believe in any rapture to heaven.

What Jesus said in Luke 21:29-32 is for our edification and a fig tree represents Judah, the Jews. They have now made a part of the holy Land fruitful, in fulfilment of that prophecy. Soon to come is Luke 21:25-26

So why is Jesus preparing mansions for us if we never get to them ? John 14:2-3
What about our bodies ? 1 Corinthians 15:50 tells us we can't inherit with blood and flesh , so when Jesus come back will he murder all of earth so we can inherit ?

 

[parousia70]

The timeline you accept makes no sense. Mathew wrote chapter 24 in AD 65, (actually later, I'm just accepting YOUR date for the sake of argument).

Actually it was earlier.. about AD 41.

According to you, the end of the world came in AD 70

End of the AGE, no the World.

the gospell and the entire book of Revelation, to include a host of Old Testament prophecies had 5 years to be fulfilled in a time of severe Roman persecution. So the gospel had only 5 years to be preached, taught, copied, and distributed "as a witness" throughout the world...ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS AND FOOLISH.

Rather, 29 years

Mathew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And it WAS!
Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Lest see, inspired Apostle Paul Infallibly states the Gospel HAD been preached to all nations, the whole world and every creature by the Mid 60's AD.

Random, 21st century fallible internet guy Hal says "NO that is not true".

I've said this before but it's well worth pointing out again:
When faced with choosing between these two POLAR OPPOSITE positions, that of The Apostle Paul vs that of Random internet guy Hal, my money is on the Apostle, every time.

 

[keras]

So why is Jesus preparing mansions for us if we never get to them ? John 14:2-3
What about our bodies ? 1 Corinthians 15:50 tells us we can't inherit with blood and flesh , so when Jesus come back will he murder all of earth so we can inherit ?

The New Jerusalem comes down to earth after the Millennium. Revelation 21 & 22

1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is all about those whose names are in the Book of Life. That Book is not opened until after the Great White Throne Judgement. No one gains immortality before this, thinking they do; is just part of the false rapture theory.

 

[Amazing Horse]

The New Jerusalem comes down to earth after the Millennium. Revelation 21 & 22

! Corinthians 15:50-56 is all about those whose names are in the Book of Life. That Book is not opened until after the Great White Throne Judgement. No one gains immortality before this, thinking they do; is just part of the false rapture theory.

So how are 24 elders sitting and giving crowns to Jesus in heaven if they don't have thier bodies here ?Revelation 4:10
If judgement did not happend yet how they have thier crowns as rewards ? Where did they buy them ?

Also let's not forget about wedding ceremony Revelation 19:7-9
If all believers are one body and bride for Christ ( 1 Corinthians 12:12, Ephesians 5:24-27 , ) . If there is no rapture why are they having wedding in heaven while wife is down here on earth ? Was she not invited to her own wedding ?

 

[keras]

So how are 24 elders sitting and giving crowns to Jesus in heaven if they don't have thier bodies here ?Revelation 4:10
If judgement did not happend yet how they have thier crowns as rewards ? Where did they buy them ?

Also let's not forget about wedding ceremony Revelation 19:7-9
If all believers are one body and bride for Christ ( 1 Corinthians 12:12, Ephesians 5:24-27 , ) . If there is no rapture why are they having wedding in heaven while wife is down here on earth ? Was she not invited to her own wedding ?

I notice that you don't [can't] refute my post #294.
Who are the 24 Elders? We are not told and guesswork is foolishness.

Where is the Wedding feast? We are not told and again; guesswork is foolishness.
But we can read what Revelation 19 does say: v 7-8, the Bride is made ready, then in verse 11 Jesus comes down to earth. What is the conclusion from this sequence?

 

[tdidymas]

Firstly, I am not pre-trib. I do not believe in any rapture to heaven.

What Jesus said in Luke 21:29-32 is for our edification and a fig tree represents Judah, the Jews. They have now made a part of the holy Land fruitful, in fulfilment of that prophecy. Soon to come is Luke 21:25-26

Regardless, your blunder on the parable proves that your interpretation is not trustworthy.
TD