What is the Day of the Lord?

[jgr]

Zechariah 9:9b...See, your King is coming to you, His cause won, His victory gained, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt the foal of a donkey.
It is a well accepted principal that Bible prophecy can be phrased in past tense, because of the surety of its eventual fulfilment.

That is present tense. If it were past tense, it would have read "came".

Ancient Hebrew actually has no tenses, so they were and are assigned at the translators' discretions. But there is notable consistency among the versions. For example, Zechariah 9:9 is rendered in present tense in the KJV, YLT, NASB, and Geneva Bible, as well as your REB. And it's likely in present tense in the great majority, if not all, of the versions.

In Psalm 18, the translators recognized the historicity of David's account, and properly rendered the apocalyptic metaphoric phenomena in the past tense.

 

[claninja]

Yes, I've heard this answer before but for me it does not ad up. I'll tell you why and it's a simple reason. John the Baptist never came before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
So I can't agree with your answer.

Another reason is that God does not send judgment before sending a prophet first. Go and search the Scriptures and you'll see.

Amos3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

So either our idea of the great and terrible day is wrong which is the day of the Lord and we aren't expecting any judgment to come or God must send a prophet.

Or unless His Word said something wrong.

This is is just scripture, so choosing to disagree is up to you. If you can accept it, john was the Elijah

 

[keras]

That is present tense. If it were past tense, it would have read "came".

Ancient Hebrew actually has no tenses, so they were and are assigned at the translators' discretions. But there is notable consistency among the versions. For example, Zechariah 9:9 is rendered in present tense in the KJV, YLT, NASB, and Geneva Bible, as well as your REB. And it's likely in present tense in the great majority, if not all, of the versions.

See your King is coming, His cause won, His victory gained.... Past tense!

In Psalm 18, the translators recognized the historicity of David's account, and properly rendered the apocalyptic metaphoric phenomena in the past tense.

How come then, there is no contemporary historical account, legend, or even myth about those dramatic events?

 

[jgr]

How come then, there is no contemporary historical account, legend, or even myth about those dramatic events?

Metaphoric means symbolic.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[claninja]

That day probably lasted about 900 years.

So don't let it fool you when John says the time is at hand it's better translated "the era is near."

how can I come out of my mothers womb twice?!?!

 

[keras]

Metaphoric means symbolic.

If it is possible for any event described, to be literally fulfilled; then why call it symbolic?
Re: Psalms 18:7-15 and the over 100 other prophesies that vividly describe the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, they tell of things that quite possibly can happen. There are several things that could cause these dramatic events; a comet by pass, a meteor shower, an asteroid strike, a pole shift, tectonic plate shift, but the one thing that can and will literally fulfil all the descriptions of that sudden disaster, is a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the suns surface. Just what Isaiah 30:26a says.
Obviously you don't like the thought of being here when it all happens. Tough!

 

[jgr]

If it is possible for any event described, to be literally fulfilled; then why call it symbolic?
Re: Psalms 18:7-15 and the over 100 other prophesies that vividly describe the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, they tell of things that quite possibly can happen. There are several things that could cause these dramatic events; a comet by pass, a meteor shower, an asteroid strike, a pole shift, tectonic plate shift, but the one thing that can and will literally fulfil all the descriptions of that sudden disaster, is a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the suns surface. Just what Isaiah 30:26a says.
Obviously you don't like the thought of being here when it all happens. Tough!

Here's what else David said happened at that time:

Psalm 18
16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.

40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.

41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the Lord, but he answered them not.

42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.


But if the physical phenomena described in metaphor earlier did not occur, then did these not occur either?

Obviously you don't like the thought of being here when it all happens. Tough!

If you're implying that I've turned pretrib, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[jgr]

See your King is coming, His cause won, His victory gained.... Past tense!

I agree; those clauses are past tense.

 

[keras]

Here's what else David said happened at that time:

Not all of Psalm 18 is prophetic. A modicum of discernment is required.

If you're implying that I've turned pretrib, you couldn't be more wrong.

Pleased to hear it. I look forward to meeting you in the holy Land.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[JLB777]

Your views that the teaching of Paul, about the rapture of the Church, is by no means what the Day of the Lord is. But rather, it is known as the Day of Christ.


Quasar92

The coming of the Lord is the Day of the Lord, the Day of the Lord Jesus Christ coming with His saints.

• What "other" Lord do you claim is coming on the Day of the Lord, if not the Lord Jesus Christ?

Please explain the difference in the Day of the Lord coming with His saints and the Day of Christ coming with His saints, with scripture.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:2


The coming of the Lord to gather His saints at the resurrection/rapture is the Day of the Lord, in which He also destroys the wicked.


Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1-6



Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8



14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 14-15




JLB

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[jgr]

Not all of Psalm 18 is prophetic. A modicum of discernment is required.

Pleased to hear it. I look forward to meeting you in the holy Land.

Whose discernment, yours or mine?

Focusing on v. 16:

He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.

If I understand you correctly, all of the physical phenomena prior to v. 16 are literal future.

The choices for v. 16 are:
literal metaphoric future past

What are your choices?

Pleased to hear it. I look forward to meeting you in the holy Land.

Yes indeed, in the "Jerusalem which is above" (Galatians 4:26)

 

[claninja]

You really are having trouble with this. Instead of some ambigious sarcasm, maybe a better explanation on your part would actually ADD to the forum.

Why does one need to be born again? Because of spiritual death. Which is the death the Adam and Eve faced right away, not 900 years later. Sorry, I assumed you knew the story of when Jesus tells the nicodemus to be born again

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[claninja]

I'm not a mind reader, it's best for people to NOT be ambigious because I don't know how you perceive things. And you don't have to be so sarcastic, I don't need it, and I won't tolerate it. I don't need people getting under my skin, I have enough to deal with that you know nothing about.

I was hoping to get you to think about it, instead of spoon feeding. But that obviously failed.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[parousia70]

And you don't have to be so sarcastic, I don't need it, and I won't tolerate it.

I can't help but wonder what you "not tolerating it" would look like?

I have enough to deal with that you know nothing about.

And that's different from the rest of us here... how?

 

[parousia70]

Adam was told...
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

That day probably lasted about 900 years.

As it has been pointed out, Adam's spiritual death happened that actual day he ate the fruit.

Had he not eaten the fruit, there is nothing to suggest he would not have gone on to physically die at some point anyway.
He needed the Tree of Life even before the fall. He needed food & water before the fall. He was not an Angel, He was created a mortal man.