Ok.
35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
We have two spirits creating a fleshly born Jesus. The Holy Spirit AND the Highest Power, the Father. This was the way Jesus was begotten by the Father in Heaven in the beginning.
John 1:1
No, there is ONE God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God.
ONE God, three equal persons. Luke is saying that the power of God would come on Mary and the power of the Spirit would overshadow her. He is saying that the power of God would be on and completely surround her.
The Trinity, ONE God, three persons, is not easy to understand. but sometimes we try to illustrate it by saying that as one man can be a Father, a son and a brother, and will relate to his family in different ways according to his role; so it is similar with God. God the Father created, sent Jesus and so on, God the Son forgives and saves and God the Spirit draws us to Jesus so that we can be forgiven and reconciled to God the Father.
We have two spirits creating a fleshly born Jesus. The Holy Spirit AND the Highest Power, the Father.
That's your interpretation; not what the Scripture says.
This was the way Jesus was begotten by the Father in Heaven in the beginning.
John 1:1
John 1:1 says that the Word was WITH God in the beginning and was God. John 1:2 says that all things were made through the word. Verse 14 identifies this Word, he " became flesh and dwelt among us" - Jesus. Colossians 1:15 and Hebrews 1:3, say that everything was created through the Son; Jesus. Genesis 1:26-27 says, "let US make man in OUR image" - the Word, Jesus, and the Spirit were both with the Father at creation. In John 17:5 Jesus is praying to God and says "glorify me with the glory that I had with you
before the world began."
Jesus didn't start to exist when he was conceived; as the eternal word, God himself, he always existed. Jesus was the human name that was given to him when he became a human.
The Holy Ghost came upon Mary (not in her). The power of the "Highest" is who? God thew Father. There wasn't a fleshly man born, it was a "holy thing" (beyond any child). Not born into sin since it was holy and sinless.
You're saying that Jesus wasn't a real human being?
That sounds to me like Gnosticism; a false belief that the early church had to deal with. One which said that Jesus had no human body, was only Spirit and did not really die on the cross.
You tell me I need to believe the Gospels - the Gospels state that Jesus felt hunger, thirst, pain, sadness, joy, frustration etc. There is nothing at all in the Gospels to suggest that the 12 disciples were called by a Spirit and lived with a Spirit for 3 years.
The son existed with the Father before becoming flesh. He was begotten by the Father. Who was the mother in the beginning?
Who says there needed to be a mother?
God is all powerful and can do all things. God is also Spirit, John 4:24 - Spirit is neither male nor female.
(the Bible doesn't tell you.
Because there wasn't one.
Jesus is God the Son. And there is only ONE God, so Jesus himself was/is God.
Part two.
Matthew:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
A voice came from heaven. But no man has ever heard the Father according to Jesus. At ANY TIME.
The prophets heard God speaking to them. They gave their message to the people saying, "thus saith the Lord". Abraham heard God's voice, because he answered him.
(It was the Holy Spirit, who came "over" Mary to use her physical womb.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit - that's what I said - and born to Mary, his mother.
Scripture?
Strange that he took on flesh - lived as a human being - for over 30 years.
"this flesh is your son". Mary was flesh begotten flesh.
Jesus was Mary's Son; that's what I said. Not the Holy Spirit's.
John:
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
No, the people Jesus was talking to had very probably not seen God, or not even heard his voice. But Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, John the Baptist and Jesus had. Also, as Jesus was God, they were looking at him at that very moment; they just didn't believe it.
Genesis 21:
And God said unto Abraham
Deut:
Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice
The "voice of god" is throughout the OT.
Exactly. God spoke to people; that's what I said.
If Jesus says no one has heard him, how can the voice that says "this is my son" be the Fathers voice.
They heard the voice of God; they didn't know that God was FATHER until Jesus came to reveal him to them.
It was the mothers, the Holy Spirit, who entered him and became his blood (drink the blood= Holy Spirit, eat the flesh= Jesus words) Together they reveal the true God.
That's your interpretation and not standard Christian doctrine.
Jesus said, "eat MY flesh". Elsewhere he said we are to obey his words too, but on this occasion he was talking about the flesh that you claim that he hated.
Only the son can reveal the Father to us, as Matthew says:
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
That's what I've just said to you. Many people heard the word, or voice, of God; he was only revealed as FATHER when Jesus came.
I don't know if this explains my position any better.
But you still haven't given answers, or verses, for the previous claims you made:
1) - that the Holy Spirit was Jesus' mother. I can see why you said that with Jesus being conceived by the Spirit, but he was born OF Mary. He was human, because Mary was his mother, and divine because he was conceived by God the Spirit. Jesus spoke about the Holy Spirit who would later be poured out on all, and live in believers - does this mean you believe we have Jesus' mother living in us?
2) That the God of the Jews was a murderer; the Jews followed an evil God. No evidence to support this, and no answer to my comment that Jesus was a Jew - as was Thomas.