The Hatred of God

[Johan Abrahams]

Something barely touched.

But so necessary.

Part of Jesus.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


And therefore part of us. When we are ready.


So in Jesus there is a hatred. And we need to get knowledge about it to be able to grow into everything that He is.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


We know that the first Adam did not succeed.

And God rejected Him. And created the second Man.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.


And now God can proceed with the punishment of the old.

Death!

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:


So there needs be the hatred for the first Adam.

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


But mostly we see the love of the self and the own family.

So we need this power from God. Hatred!

Then we can proceed to rinse ourselves of everthing of Adam. And accept that we are the second Man.

And we will look at the second Man differently. We will understand the purpose of the second Man.

He replaced the first. It is done already. We just need to see and accept. This “see” has to do with the gifts that God gave who teaches in the Power of God.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Then we will see the “perfect man” and through the power of the Faith of God that “perfect man” will be on earth again.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

You still have to honor your mother and father , and love your neighbour but you have to put got on 1st place before anyone , that it is what it says in short .

 

[Petros2015]

And God rejected Him. And created the second Man.

There is a favorite icon of mine in the Orthodox tradition, it is Christ pulling Adam and Eve from their tombs.

I was glad when I saw it. I had always wondered, whatever happened to Adam. It told me, He who was faithful to the first things will be faithful to the last.

Sunday Troparia and Kontakia

"Today Adam dances for joy and Eve rejoices"

But re-reading your post again, I do agree that God hates sin, and we likewise need to learn to hate sin when it is offered to us or in us. There is a strength in that.

 

[Strong in Him]

Something barely touched.

But so necessary.

Part of Jesus.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;

God, who is holy, righteous and pure, hates sin.

But he loves sinners - so he sent his Son to die for us.

 

[SkyWriting]

You still have to honor your mother and father , and love your neighbor but you have to put God on 1st place before anyone , that it is what it says in short .

It's not so much a command as a prerequisite for everything else.
Meaning you can't do anything correctly until you put God on first.

 

[Aseyesee]

This hatred is incapsulated as the hatred of your own life as inclusive to all the things you.

Death proceeds life like a first proceeds a second man.

 

[SkyWriting]

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

It's not "hatred" as you likely define it.
It more like how you hate to see a drunk
driver kill a carload of teenagers in a crash.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

There is a favorite icon of mine in the Orthodox tradition, it is Christ pulling Adam and Eve from their tombs.

I was glad when I saw it. I had always wondered, whatever happened to Adam. It told me, He who was faithful to the first things will be faithful to the last.

Sunday Troparia and Kontakia

"Today Adam dances for joy and Eve rejoices"

But re-reading your post again, I do agree that God hates sin, and we likewise need to learn to hate sin when it is offered to us or in us. There is a strength in that.

Amazing picture, Adam and Eve being pulled from their tomb. Adam was created male/female alone in the garden and had dominion over all things with no helpmeet. God put him into a slumber and put a wound in his side to take out a woman...she prepared the feast that Adam ate and changed everything in relationship to God. IN Christ (wounded side), we become ONE again. One became two that must become ONE again, reconciled to the Father...Christ being the door (back) to the beginning that has no end. Eternal Life.

 

[Phantasman]

You still have to honor your mother and father , and love your neighbour but you have to put got on 1st place before anyone , that it is what it says in short .

That's OT ignorance.

Luke:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Thomas says it better:
(101) <Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me.

Jesus basically says to hate the flesh, love the spirit. The flesh dies, profits nothing. John 8.

Our mother and Father are the Holy Spirit and God the Father when we are "born again". The mother (Holy Spirit) entered her son at the Chrism (acceptance of the Holy Spirit). It is her voice that says "this is my son, hear him". Jesus says we have never heard the Father.

Mary was a surrogate. The Holy Spirit came upon her to create the son from the Father. Mary's womb was used.

Luke:
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

We have two spirits creating a fleshly born Jesus. The Holy Spirit AND the Highest Power, the Father. This was the way Jesus was begotten by the Father in Heaven in the beginning. John 1:1

 

[Ron Gurley]

FALSE: "So there needs be the hatred for the first Adam"....How can hatred of ancestors fulfill God's commands to love??

FALSE: Hatred is a power, attribute, or character trait of God...God is perfectly LOVING and JUST, amongst many other attributes.

TRUE: God hates sin. God loves sinners.

Malachi 2:16
For I hate divorce,”
says the Lord, the God of Israel,
“and him who covers his garment with wrong,”
says the Lord of hosts.
“So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us,
in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died FOR us.(on our behalf)

 

[Strong in Him]

That's OT ignorance.

Luke:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

That doesn't mean hate in the sense of loathe, despise, want to wish ill to. That would break the 5th commandment, and Jesus would not have told us to love our neighbour as ourselves if, in fact, he wanted us to despise ourselves.

Jesus is talking about not letting anything else have first place in our lives; not devotion to family - i.e putting them and their needs before God - nor self love, self promotion and selfish pleasures.

 

[Shempster]

It seems paradoxical to say this on one hand while hearing Jesus tell us to love our enemies and do good to those who despise you. How can you do both at the same time?

 

[NeonTetra]

Phantasman is incorrect on several issues:

That's OT ignorance.
Luke:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

What He meant was to never let another person, even your earthly
family, or circumstance ever separate yourself and God, as a hindrance, for example
in the same verses of this scene, a man wanted to follow Jesus, but said he could not go because he wanted to bury his father. Jesus, having full knowledge knew this would be bad for the man's soul, why we cannot say, but it serves as an example, there are many others. None of this means to hate your family, it's
just a notification that there WILL be division (history and the Word attest)
caused by His Coming. It is part of God's plan to separate the wheat from
the tares. See Luke 12:53, Matthew 10:35

Thomas says it better

The book of Thomas is pseudographical in nature, and says nothing better.

Jesus basically says to hate the flesh, love the spirit. The flesh dies, profits nothing. John 8.

No, that's the heresies of manicheanism, albigensians, cathari, gnostics,
etc. The flesh was not created to die. Sin made it die, it is a condition of
the world and its sin that makes death (the payment for sin is death)
we live in that sphere. But Jesus rose - IN THE FLESH - and flesh will be
restored to enjoy God's original plan again. It is not the flesh that is evil
per se, but what sin DOES to the flesh, even our urges that are wrong
ABUSE the flesh, such as gluttony, lust, anger, etc. Heretics confuse
this, and equate sins of the flesh with no issue, to their condemnation.

The mother (Holy Spirit) entered her son at the Chrism (acceptance of the Holy Spirit).

I don't know where to begin here. The Mother of Christ was not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit descended like a dove on Christ when it was TIME for His ministry
to begin. But He was always Christ, even before this. The heresy of
those who thought Jesus was not Christ until descent of the Holy Ghost
was called Adoptionism.

Mary was a surrogate. The Holy Spirit came upon her to create the son from the Father. Mary's womb was used.

This is incorrect. Mary was the physical mother of Jesus. He shared her flesh.
She shared in his entire life like no-one else. It was her obedience and struggle
by her grace which participated in God's plan for incarnation and salvation of men.
It was by her urging that Jesus performed his very first miracle at the Wedding of Cana. He even complained about doing it but that was His human part being afraid of the attention it would cause. Jesus obeyed her and turned the water into wine. Remember, Mary HAD to say YES to accept God's Will first. That was her choice, just like it HAS TO be our choice to follow Christ. Without free will, salvation is not possible because free will is already out of the gate. This is a main issue atheists do not comprehend. They demand outright manifestation of the like that would destroy free will and cause involuntary love, involuntary submission - those things DO NOT SAVE which is why the Father, in His Mercy, allows us more time.
Lastly, the Son was never "created", but was begotten, NOT MADE.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

You still have to honor your mother and father , and love your neighbour but you have to put got on 1st place before anyone , that it is what it says in short .

I was not speaking about that.

This is about the Divine Nature of God.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

It is so necessary to allow God to create this charactristic of Him in us.

The Word is the power of God by which He does it. This Word is Jesus.

So let us look now at Him in another way.

The Lord's Day of Vengeance
Isa 63:1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
Isa 63:2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
Isa 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
Isa 63:5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
Isa 63:6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

Now we realize that this is what we needed. This will remove the last sin in us when we actively start fighting it in the anointing of God.

And this will go further. This will materialize the second manifestation of God on earth. This will be the power by which the Judge will manifest. And this will effectively manifest the Kingdom of David.

So let us look at some other verses to kindle this hatred.

The Fall of Babylon
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

The Word of this angel has great power.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

But re-reading your post again, I do agree that God hates sin, and we likewise need to learn to hate sin when it is offered to us or in us. There is a strength in that.

Seems God is calling you for this. Good. This is what the world needs. People hating sin and acting. Keep on reading . . . also what I gave others. I do not want to repeat lengthy posts as this is a vast topic.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

God, who is holy, righteous and pure, hates sin.

But he loves sinners - so he sent his Son to die for us.

Yep and then He killed us in Christ . . .with our permission.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

It's not "hatred" as you likely define it.
It more like how you hate to see a drunk
driver kill a carload of teenagers in a crash.

Yep. This is a "perverse" generation. And we are part of it. So we need to hate . . "this perverse generation" and not just the "drunkard"

 

[Johan Abrahams]

FALSE: "So there needs be the hatred for the first Adam"....How can hatred of ancestors fulfill God's commands to love??

FALSE: Hatred is a power, attribute, or character trait of God...God is perfectly LOVING and JUST, amongst many other attributes.

TRUE: God hates sin. God loves sinners.

Malachi 2:16
For I hate divorce,”
says the Lord, the God of Israel,
“and him who covers his garment with wrong,”
says the Lord of hosts.
“So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us,
in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died FOR us.(on our behalf)[/QUOTE

Fact is. God hates. There is a hatred in God. Because Jesus is the fullness of God it is in Him too.
And He is the Word to us. He is our new Life. So there is hatred in us too. So we need to find it, understand it and allow it to do its work in and out of us.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

It seems paradoxical to say this on one hand while hearing Jesus tell us to love our enemies and do good to those who despise you. How can you do both at the same time?

That we need find out.

Love that kills.

Son 8:6 Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

 

[Phantasman]

That doesn't mean hate in the sense of loathe, despise, want to wish ill to. That would break the 5th commandment, and Jesus would not have told us to love our neighbour as ourselves if, in fact, he wanted us to despise ourselves.

Jesus is talking about not letting anything else have first place in our lives; not devotion to family - i.e putting them and their needs before God - nor self love, self promotion and selfish pleasures.

Unless you "seek" you won't find. The Gospel of Thomas explains:

<Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me.

He spoke of hating the flesh and loving the spirit. That's the Gospel message.

I loved my mothers spirit, but hated her flesh, that caused her pain, and gave into death.

Jesus mother was the Holy Spirit and his father was (true) God. This is the message. Hate the flesh love the spirit. His words were spirit (John 8). Combining the Gospels as one message allows the Holy Spirit to show us truth. To part the Gospels, we get partial truth, which men (of the Nicene Creed) will fill in for you.

Have faith and follow the Spirit (truth) revealing Christ and you are a Christian.