New series by Aron Ra: Why there was no Noachian Flood

[AV1611VET]

The Socratic method, also known as maieutics, method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions.

Really?

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

I would like to discuss specific instances with you if I may. I would like to ask first however, do you believe in a literal, inerrant Bible? If yes, fine we'll go from there. If not, could you state how you interpret the Bible?

Hey queller

I may have to decline. I do not see the need to discuss this with you atm saint.

We are brothers in Christ. No need to discuss anything other than our love for Jesus

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Really?

Hey

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[AV1611VET]

No need to discuss anything other than our love for Jesus

On a scale of 1 - 10, how much do you love Jesus?

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

On a scale of 1 - 10, how much do you love Jesus?

11

Matthew 22:37

"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

 

[Jimmy D]

Have a read


https://www.jashow.org/articles/jesus/christmas/was-luke-wrong-about-the-census-under-quirinius/

Tell me what you think?

I noticed this bit....

Next, what about the criticism that in a Roman census Joseph would not have been required to travel to Bethlehem and he would not have been required to bring Mary with him? Well, now historians have found that in A.D. 104, Vivius Maximus issued an edict that states, “It is essential for all people to return to their homes for the census.” This indicates it was plausible for Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem as Luke indicates.

The actual statement was.....

"Gaius Vivius Maximus, Prefect of Egypt [says]: seeing that the time has come for the house to house census, it is necessary to compel all those who for any cause whatsoever are residing out of their provinces to return to their own homes, that they may both carry out the regular order of the census and may attend diligently to the cultivation of their allotments."

It says return to their homes, not birthplace, they can hardly cultivate their "allotments" or have their property assessed for taxes if they're donkeying around Judea.

It seems a flimsy invention by Luke for Jesus being born in Bethlehem.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

It seems a flimsy invention by Luke for Jesus being born in Bethlehem.

Matthew 2:1
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

 

[Jimmy D]

Matthew 2:1
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

Yeah, it's strange. If you read Matthew you'd think he already lived there.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Yeah, it's strange. If you read Matthew you'd think he already lived there.

I like banana milkshakes

 

[Jimmy D]

I like banana milkshakes

Prefer chocolate myself.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Prefer chocolate myself.

Yum!!!!

How r u friend?

How about we try something. You know my position - christian - but most atheists i meet are only unified by some points of view.

Is there anything you believe that may put you at odds with the atheist community?

Cheers

 

[Queller]

Hey queller

I may have to decline. I do not see the need to discuss this with you atm saint.

We are brothers in Christ. No need to discuss anything other than our love for Jesus

Then why did you ask what flaws there were in the Bible? Why can't Christians discuss concerns about the Bible among themselves?

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Then why did you ask what flaws there were in the Bible? Why can't Christians discuss concerns about the Bible among themselves?

Hello brother

I was having a discussion with sub. Please excuse me. You asked me for a discussion and i said no.

Cheers and God bless you

 

[Aman777]

You're assuming what you wish to prove.

False, since according to History, the FIRST traits of modern Humans suddenly appeared in the valleys of Mesopotamia, just SW of Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago. These traits include farming, city building, and EVERY other trait of modern Humans. Here's the secular evidence which NO one can refute:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

It shows the arrival of the first Humans, (descendants of Adam) who brought his superior intelligence to this planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. Scripture and History AGREE. Do you?

 

[Aman777]

Ohh, I can, I can!

Would you like links to earlier posts on this forum, popular science and/or history articles, or just the original studies themselves?

The fact that you don't think you've been thoroughly refuted, doesn't mean you haven't been.

Then produce your proof. I don't think you can. If you cannot, everyone will see your false accusation for what it is. Just one refute will do.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

False, since according to History, the FIRST traits of modern Humans suddenly appeared in the valleys of Mesopotamia, just SW of Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago. These traits include farming, city building, and EVERY other trait of modern Humans. Here's the secular evidence which NO one can refute:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

It shows the arrival of the first Humans, (descendants of Adam) who brought his superior intelligence to this planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. Scripture and History AGREE. Do you?

Your map does not support your claim. And gene has refuted this claim of yours countless times with various different links. The traits that you speak of appeared over a long period of time and at different periods of time. But let me take a shot at it. Earliest known agriculture is 23,000 years ago:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm

Oldest city 4,500 BCE, or 6,500 years ago. That is 16,5000 years after agriculture:
The Ancient City

Those are the two that you mentioned. What other human traits would you like to be corrected on?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hello brother

I was having a discussion with sub. Please excuse me. You asked me for a discussion and i said no.

Cheers and God bless you

It is an open forum. You should be able to have several discussions at once.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok.


We know my belief system. Wanna hav some fun?


What flaws in your belief system are you aware of sir?

Do you have some form of spirituality?

What is your opinion of the supernatural?




Hey hey.


Have a read


https://www.jashow.org/articles/jesus/christmas/was-luke-wrong-about-the-census-under-quirinius/

Tell me what you think?

He is wrong. Quirinius was not in Syria at that time. He was in what is now Turkey:


Quirinius - Wikipedia

What happens when both parties believe they know more than the other?

Does this mean there is no socratic method or is it a 'great socratic method'?

Nope, then it is time to try to be honest. Can you be honest? I can. You need to find sites that are better than Christian apologist sites.

The Socratic method, also known as maieutics, method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentativedialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions

Yes, but the questions need to have an honest basis to them. You fail in that regard.

Just try to be honest and the friction will go down.

 

[Aman777]

Your map does not support your claim. And gene has refuted this claim of yours countless times with various different links. The traits that you speak of appeared over a long period of time and at different periods of time. But let me take a shot at it. Earliest known agriculture is 23,000 years ago:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm

The site you listed shows that during a colder time the sons of God (prehistoric people) gathered WILD grains. These people were NOT stupid but were as intelligent as mindless Nature could make them. They had "evolved" their lifestyle over some 6 Million years AFTER they had diverged from Chimps. They were NOT Human until after they married Humans (descendants of Adam) and INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

*** Oldest city 4,500 BCE, or 6,500 years ago. That is 16,5000 years after agriculture:
The Ancient City

The city is the first LARGE city which was not the first small city.

*** Those are the two that you mentioned. What other human traits would you like to be corrected on?

Gathering seeds to eat during a cold period was practiced by every hungry animal and was NOT like the Human farming, Adam practiced. To find other Human Traits on Adam's Earth BEFORE the Ark arrived on our Earth read Gen 4:17-22 to see that Cain's descendants had tents, musical instruments and smelting of brass and iron, thousands of years BEFORE Noah arrived on our Planet. Try again?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The site you listed shows that during a colder time the sons of God (prehistoric people) gathered WILD grains. These people were NOT stupid but were as intelligent as mindless Nature could make them. They had "evolved" their lifestyle over some 6 Million years AFTER they had diverged from Chimps. They were NOT Human until after they married Humans (descendants of Adam) and INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

*** Oldest city 4,500 BCE, or 6,500 years ago. That is 16,5000 years after agriculture:
The Ancient City

The city is the first LARGE city which was not the first small city.

*** Those are the two that you mentioned. What other human traits would you like to be corrected on?

Gathering seeds to eat during a cold period was practiced by every hungry animal and was NOT like the Human farming, Adam practiced. To find other Human Traits on Adam's Earth BEFORE the Ark arrived on our Earth read Gen 4:17-22 to see that Cain's descendants had tents, musical instruments and smelting of brass and iron, thousands of years BEFORE Noah arrived on our Planet. Try again?

Wrong again. Did you read the article? You surely did not understand it:

"The large number of cereals showing specific kinds of scars on their seeds indicate the likelihood of those cereals growing in fields, and the presence of sickle blades indicates that these humans deliberately planned the harvest of cereal."

Though the plant would have started form wild stock unsown plants to not tend to grow in such densities that a sickle would have been of any use.

And no, the city that I found was not the first "large city". It was still rather small. But sadly you know that you are wrong. Art pops up long before agriculture. Fire much much longer earlier than that.


I and others have shown your claims to be wrong countless times. All that you have is a nondescript map that does not support your claims at all.

What evidence do you have for your beliefs?