Has God Called Every Person?

[Wordkeeper]

Yes.

Excellent. Then you are the right person to explain how the slaughter of the lamb was good news.

Please proceed. I'm all ears.

 

[Wordkeeper]

So Paul had it wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified?

He never said ALL the called are justified.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

He never said ALL the called are justified.

And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also n justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. (Romans 8:30)

 

[Hammster]

Luke 14:16 V-AIA-3S
GRK: μέγα καὶ ἐκάλεσεν πολλούς
NAS: a big dinner, and he invited many;
KJV: supper, and bade many:
INT: great and invited many

Romans 8:30 V-AIA-3S
GRK: τούτους καὶ ἐκάλεσεν καὶ οὓς
NAS: He also called; and these
KJV: he also called: and whom
INT: these also he called and whom

Matthew 22:14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

That's what you quoted.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, did you answer the call? When God spoke, did you hear? After He called, did you do evil in His sight, and choose that in which He did not delight?

I'm still waiting for you to answer my other questions.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hammster has been called many things over the years.

Forgive me...

 

[Hammster]

He never said ALL the called are justified.

I'll let you think about this for a bit, and you can decide if you really want to use this reasoning.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster has been called many things over the years.

Forgive me...

#truth

 

[Hammster]

Excellent. Then you are the right person to explain how the slaughter of the lamb was good news.

Please proceed. I'm all ears.

“He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭

 

[EmSw]

Matthew 22:14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

That's what you quoted.

According to Jesus, which comes first, the calling or the choosing?

 

[Thursday]

So He's not the Savior of all?

All who cooperate with his will. He died for all, now the ball is in our court.

 

[Hammster]

All who cooperate with his will. He died for all, now the ball is in our court.

So is the verse wrong when it says He's Savior of all? It doesn't say anything about cooperating.

 

[Thursday]

It stands to reason that if everyone is called, then everyone is justified.

Romans 8:30

Wrong. Many are called, few are chosen.

Jesus stands at the door and knocks. What will you do?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

All are called. Few will follow.

Forgive me...

 

[Hammster]

Wrong. Many are called, few are chosen.

Jesus stands at the door and knocks. What will you do?

So is Paul wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified?

 

[Hammster]

All are called. Few will follow.

Forgive me...

Romans 8 says that those are are called are also justified. Following isn't listed.

 

[Thursday]

So is the verse wrong when it says He's Savior of all? It doesn't say anything about cooperating.

Not in that sentence, but it is throughout the New Testament as you know.

Imagine a fireman who brings a ladder to the fifth floor of burning building full of people. He is there to save them all. However, if someone refuses to climb down the ladder then they won't be saved.

 

[Hammster]

Not in that sentence, but it is throughout the New Testament as you know.

Imagine a fireman who brings a ladder to the fifth floor of burning building full of people. He is there to save them all. However, if someone refuses to climb down the ladder then they won't be saved.

Neat story. But if that's the case, then he's not saving all, is he.

 

[Thursday]

So is Paul wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified?

Some are, not all. Those who endure will be saved.

Not even Paul claimed to have finished the race.



Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.

2 Tim 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

 

[Thursday]

Neat story. But if that's the case, then he's not saving all, is he.

He is the savior of all.