Has God Called Every Person?

[EmSw]

How is this a retort?

Hammster, did you answer the call? When God spoke, did you hear? After He called, did you do evil in His sight, and choose that in which He did not delight?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

We know that God calls men, but has He called every man, without exception?

1Co 12:28-29
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Forgive me...

 

[Thursday]

Can a man be saved without hearing/reading the gospel?

Yes, it is possible:

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, did you answer the call? When God spoke, did you hear? After He called, did you do evil in His sight, and choose that in which He did not delight?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Now, can you answer my question instead of deflecting?

 

[Hammster]

Yes, it is possible:

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

Sounds like universalism.

 

[Thursday]

Sounds like universalism.

But it's not. It's the bible, and not Calvinism.

 

[Hammster]

But it's not. It's the bible, and not Calvinism.

How is you understanding not universalism?

 

[EmSw]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Now, can you answer my question instead of deflecting?

How about that, you finally admit you did something towards your salvation.

But we have a problem. You admit you did evil in His sight and freely chose that in which He did not delight. Do you think this is called disobedience?

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

We are not only called to believe, but also obey the Son. How will you escape His wrath if you keep disobeying Him?

 

[Thursday]

How is you understanding not universalism?

Not all will cooperate with God's grace.

 

[Hammster]

Not all will cooperate with God's grace.

So He's not the Savior of all?

 

[Wordkeeper]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Now, can you answer my question instead of deflecting?

I'm curious. What was the call?

This is not a trick question. I'd really like to know.

 

[Hammster]

I'm curious. What was the call?

This is not a trick question. I'd really like to know.

I heard the gospel and believed. Faith comes by hearing.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

It stands to reason that if everyone is called, then everyone is justified.

Romans 8:30

YES!

 

[Wordkeeper]

I heard the gospel and believed. Faith comes by hearing.

Was it the same gospel that the Ethiopian eunuch heard?

Acts 5:32-37
32Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:
“HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER;
AND AS A LAMB BEFORE ITS SHEARER IS SILENT,
SO HE DOES NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH.

33“IN HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY;
WHO WILL RELATE HIS GENERATION?
FOR HIS LIFE IS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH.”

34The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.36As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37[And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”]

 

[Wordkeeper]

YES!

Wrong.

Even the called lost justification, recognition of righteous response :

Matthew 22:5-7
5“But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, 6and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. 7“But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.

Some even come and are not ready to take part in the feast, which requires being loyal, not doing evil things:

Matthew 22:14
14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Acts 5:3-6
3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4“While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

 

[Hammster]

Was it the same gospel that the Ethiopian eunuch heard?

Acts 5:32-37
32Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:
“HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER;
AND AS A LAMB BEFORE ITS SHEARER IS SILENT,
SO HE DOES NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH.

33“IN HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY;
WHO WILL RELATE HIS GENERATION?
FOR HIS LIFE IS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH.”

34The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.36As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37[And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”]

Yes.

 

[Hammster]

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Different word for call than what's used in Romans 8.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

YES!

sorry, no. That would ignore too much of YHWH'S WORD. (which , even though it sounds 'nice', is sin)

 

[Hammster]

sorry, no. That would ignore too much of YHWH'S WORD. (which , even though it sounds 'nice', is sin)

So Paul had it wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified?

 

[Wordkeeper]

Different word for call than what's used in Romans 8.

Luke 14:16 V-AIA-3S
GRK: μέγα καὶ ἐκάλεσεν πολλούς
NAS: a big dinner, and he invited many;
KJV: supper, and bade many:
INT: great and invited many

Romans 8:30 V-AIA-3S
GRK: τούτους καὶ ἐκάλεσεν καὶ οὓς
NAS: He also called; and these
KJV: he also called: and whom
INT: these also he called and whom