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Calvinists and non-Calvinist Christians alike agree that no one can be saved without faith, and that no one can be granted God's favor unto salvation without the imputed righteousness of Christ - again, only through faith. No one can be so pleasing on their own merit so as to achieve salvation.

But I am at a loss how you can claim that the midwives did not please God by fearing Him - even though He rewarded them for it. Or why you do not see Ninevah's repentance or Ahab's humility as pleasing to God, even though He deferred judgment because they did so. Or how Cornelious' prayers and generosity were not pleasing, even though they ascended to God 'like a memorial offering.' Etc. How were any of those things, and others among the many examples given, not according to the desire or will of God?
Is there any scripture to support the claims?
 
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Are you going to keep asking the same question, but in different ways? :)

No, Sir, because I am asking a *specific question.

Christianity is hugely diverse. There's the Catholic Church, Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, thousands of Protestant denominations, and diversity in each named group.

If a devout Catholic or Orthodox Christian with faith is Christ and who as such rejects Protestantism as well as the assumptions of Calvin is elect by virtue of their faith in Christ, and always would be had Calvin not even been born or taught, what is the point of Calvinism?
 
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I'm not sure what that had to do with the post you quoted, though.
because you like to post one sentence comments to everything people say, it makes it a little hard to follow the conversation in a linear way

it was your choice to give one sentence responses

if you want to keep making short statements then rather than me make long posts to try to cover anything you might be thinking but not stating, you will have to read back through the tiny multiple posts to keep things in context
 
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Sorry, I don't play that game, and haven't, for several decades. Reasoned discussion (which is what the CF tries for) is more than just he said she said. I AM willing to listen to reasoned argument, but I will not play I did, you didn't.
 
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No, Sir, because I am asking a *specific question.

Christianity is hugely diverse. There's the Catholic Church, Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, thousands of Protestant denominations, and diversity in each named group.

If a devout Catholic or Orthodox Christian with faith is Christ and who as such rejects Protestantism as well as the assumptions of Calvin is elect by virtue of their faith in Christ, and always would be had Calvin not even been born or taught, what is the point of Calvinism?
It may be diverse, but there's only one way to be justified. One isn't saved because they believe Calvinism is correct.

The point, I suppose, is an attention to accurately reflect God and His plan for His glory.
 
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because you like to post one sentence comments to everything people say, it makes it a little hard to follow the conversation in a linear way

it was your choice to give one sentence responses

if you want to keep making short statements then rather than me make long posts to try to cover anything you might be thinking but not stating, you will have to read back through the tiny multiple posts to keep things in context

It was a response to a question about who's elect in Calvinism. I'm sorry if it's length didn't meet a certain criteria. I can keep posting more sentences to make this post longer. But it seems silly.
^_^

However, it still doesn't explain your response.
 
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Are you going to keep asking the same question, but in different ways? :)
i too would like to hear your answer to her question

yes or no would be nice

more clarification would be even nicer

please do answer the questions with a little more than one line

it would help us to understand why you call everything we say a straw man

or a heresy

we try to give you as much detail as possible to help you understand us

please return the courtesy

your answers are what we want to hear

that is why we asked
 
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It may be diverse, but there's only one way to be justified. One isn't saved because they believe Calvinism is correct.

The point, I suppose, is an attention to accurately reflect God and His plan for His glory.
what does this mean?

she asked you about specific denominations

you didn't clarify
 
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It was a response to a question about who's elect in Calvinism. I'm sorry if it's length didn't meet a certain criteria. I can keep posting more sentences to make this post longer. But it seems silly.
^_^

However, it still doesn't explain your response.
clearer would be the desire

not longer and more convoluted

one line responses do not make clear answers

asking questions do not make clear answers

direct answers to direct questions make clear answers
 
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Jesus was crucified by the hands of lawless men. God did not "Allow" this, rather He deferred judgment against them by not striking them all dead immediately (and perhaps due to the plea of Jesus to forgive them.) He also did not specifically intervene to stop the events, such as sending in a legion of Angels.

Not quite. God KNOWS what we are going to do ALL of the time, true. But it is because He is omniscient, and He does not reside IN time. To Him, the whole panoply of creation, from the moment He said, "Let there be light." is laid out before Him. He could have, and can intervene at any time. However, it is His will that Jesus (2nd Person of the Trinity) should bear the punishment for ALL sin from the time Adam ate the apple until such time as Jesus returns. If He interfered, then Jesus would not have died, the lawless men would have been cinders, and all would be in chaos.
 
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what does this mean?

she asked you about specific denominations

you didn't clarify
The answer will be the same for every denomination. We are justified by faith. Those who are justified are elect.
 
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clearer would be the desire

not longer and more convoluted

one line responses do not make clear answers

asking questions do not make clear answers

direct answers to direct questions make clear answers
I disagree that only line responses are not clear.

But if you give me a number, I'll shoot for it.
 
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It was a response to a question about who's elect in Calvinism. I'm sorry if it's length didn't meet a certain criteria. I can keep posting more sentences to make this post longer. But it seems silly.
^_^

However, it still doesn't explain your response.
does it matter my friend

we ask you questions

you don't answer

you just ask unrelated questions - or give us one word - or one sentence - and from that we are supposed to figure out what you mean

please answer our questions with clarity rather than deflecting

the questions we ask are really straight forward and we would like straight forward answers
 
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The answer will be the same for every denomination. We are justified by faith. Those who are justified are elect.
thank you

and then my question is faith in what?

Jesus dying on the cross to pay for our sins?

Please clarify so that i can understand what you mean

because in one post you said ot believers were elect, yet this was before the cross

so faith in what is my question?
 
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It may be diverse, but there's only one way to be justified. One isn't saved because they believe Calvinism is correct.

The point, I suppose, is an attention to accurately reflect God and His plan for His glory.

Ok, but doesn't that make Calvinism, and all theological distinctions, wholly irrelevant? If a fully persuaded Lutheran, Calvinist, Catholic, Methodist, Anabaptist, Assyrian / Nestorian and Oriental Orthodox Christian are all automatically "elect" simply by having faith in Christ, with no regard to the vast differences between their respective theologies, practices, and ecclesiologies, doesn't that basically nullify not only the neccesity of making Truth in Christian thought plain (something that I presume was very important to Calvin, who began life in the Catholic Church), but also of praxis and thought?
 
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does it matter my friend

we ask you questions

you don't answer

you just ask unrelated questions - or give us one word - or one sentence - and from that we are supposed to figure out what you mean

please answer our questions with clarity rather than deflecting

the questions we ask are really straight forward and we would like straight forward answers
I answer every question. I don't deflect. Some answers require longer responses. Some don't. I just believe in berevity if possible.
 
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