NeedyFollower
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Please forgive me and may others I may have implicated with my words forgive me as well . It is of course wrong to be dogmatic in anything for Paul says , He that thinks he knows anything knows nothing as he ought . Since this is what I believe to be the case ...clearly Moses knew his reward was not a piece of ground ..did they know about the Resurrection ? Maybe more than we think . And to clarify , there are many christian who even today support the carnal Israel ( verses spiritual Israel ) and their right to the promised land. We know of course that we are strangers and pilgrims . And we seek a city who's maker and builder is God . So it at least appears that my point is not necessarily far from the mark..many in Jesus' day assumed an earthly kingdom and the the restoration of Israel from the Romans.This view of the OT is surely yours and maybe others but the OT is not nor ever was like you state here about a piece of land, it was and is about God's will and purpose being carried out in the manner which He desires. As far as wars or capital punishment goes, how do you deal with Rom 13:1-5 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
Of course you are entitled to your belief but it should not contradict the word of God.
I am not sure where I contradicted the Word of God , and His word became flesh and told us to love our enemies . And our apostle Paul did not contradict the Word of God either.
But a man cannot serve two masters nor be a citizen of two kingdoms. ( Paul did use his Roman citizenship so that he could testify before Cesar according to the prophecy given him . )
I am not an anarchist. I believe in government and I do submit to authority. I pay taxes but I do not vote . I refrain from positions that would cause me to cause injury to others . It is my understanding that those who founded this country rebelled against the authority of the King and one day we will see rebellion , discord and utter disdain for God's Word. Believing Men will become covetous and lovers of their own self. Men and Women who profess faith , will still pursue their own happiness and careers rather than raising their own children in the fear of God . They will be given to strangers to raise 5 days a week and taught about God when they are not watching TV , going to ball games and movies ..maybe a few hours on Sunday morning ...People will be buying assurance of salvation on Sunday morning but not doing truth or doing love ....They will put on Christ like a suit and take Him off when they leave church ...see if this does not happen . Men will demand their rights ...we will become a country of 300 million people where everyone is their own King but know nothing of submission . What a tragedy .
From Romans 16 :17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
This also agrees with Paul's words to Timothy regarding getting entangled in the affairs of this world . There are many , many highly credible and law abiding atheist who God has put in charge. Their job is the administration of carnal things as they have no ability to minster eternal things.
I think the word says we are to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves . The living word of God said his kingdom is not of this world ..if it were , his disciples would fight . I do not believe anything I have stated about ME contradicts Jesus Christ , THE WORD of God . I am not perfect enough to kill other enemies of God when I myself was an enemy and He responded with mercy . My preference is for them to know God's mercy for that is also His will .
From Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
There is a Gospel that is being preached which is tied to nationalism and patriotism ..It appears very proud and self-righteous which appears at least to me in direct contradiction to Christ ..The Word of God as you mentioned . And we know that God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble and God's word does not contradict itself . If we are saved by grace through faith , then it causes humility and peace . But the proud can not bear the humble as a lie can not stand the truth . That is why Christ said that he came to bring a sword ...His word divides the light from the darkness as it ever has.
It would seem that to be a "proud american christian" is like something being a yes-no ..or a left- right ...it is a contradiction of terms .
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