Scholars on BOTH sides agree - Saturday is the seventh day - the Sabbath of Exodus 20

[Ronald]

I only need to search the scriptures to know that the power of the Holy Spirit makes me dead to sin.

Those who willfully sin do not have a relationship with the Lord.

More accurately, it is not the Holy Spirit who made you dead to sin, it was Jesus who died on the cross who made it possible. Jesus cleanses us, he is our Savior, the Holy Spirit is our Helper. And yes those who willfully sin, practice sin are not saved. It doesn't mean you don't slip up and resort to your old ways, like YOU DID with your slanderous insult. I might even call it baring false witness against your neighbor. If I'm a heretic, if you don't want to make an effort and ask pastors or priest if Christians sin, then take a poll on this forum and ask every Christian on this forum - maybe you'll learn something. New Christians get puffed up and of course younger ones think they know it all. You haven't learned humility yet, another flaw of an imperfect person. We can keep going, I'll find more for you. Hey just ask all your loved ones around you, people who know you well: "Am I perfect and have I ever done anything wrong since I've become a Christian? I'm done here.

 

[1stcenturylady]

More accurately, it is not the Holy Spirit who made you dead to sin, it was Jesus who died on the cross who made it possible. Jesus cleanses us, he is our Savior, the Holy Spirit is our Helper. And yes those who willfully sin, practice sin are not saved. It doesn't mean you don't slip up and resort to your old ways, like YOU DID with your slanderous insult. I might even call it baring false witness against your neighbor. If I'm a heretic, if you don't want to make an effort and ask pastors or priest if Christians sin, then take a poll on this forum and ask every Christian on this forum - maybe you'll learn something. New Christians get puffed up and of course younger ones think they know it all. You haven't learned humility yet, another flaw of an imperfect person. We can keep going, I'll find more for you. Hey just ask all your loved ones around you, people who know you well: "Am I perfect and have I ever done anything wrong since I've become a Christian? I'm done here.

Jesus cleansed me of my sin by His blood, but then gave me the gift of His Spirit to make me dead to further sin. You should know that.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus cleansed me of my sin by His blood, but then gave me the gift of His Spirit to make me dead to further sin. You should know that.

So now you are sinless??

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins"

"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

 

[BobRyan]

And yes those who willfully sin, practice sin are not saved. It doesn't mean you don't slip up and resort to your old ways, like YOU DID with your slanderous insult. I might even call it baring false witness against your neighbor.

So there is the problem - that 1 John 2:1 addresses "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you sin not. And if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;"

 

[1stcenturylady]

So now you are sinless??

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins"

Yes, I did that. And whatever unknown sin I commit while walking in the Spirit, Jesus blood cleanses.

1 John 1:7 New King James Version (NKJV)

7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

If you continually walk in the light, it is impossible to sin. 1 John 3:6 "Whoever abides in Him does not sin."

I've also learned obedience through suffering, and learned it is easier to not do anything God hates, and only do the things He loves. Even when my abusive husband left me for the wife of his best friend and broke up two marriages, I didn't fight it, just lived in peace. He filed, I didn't sign anything, and I didn't go to court to fight for what was mine. And he was the last man I kissed. Even whatever might be sin, I won't do, because I enjoy my relationship with God, and all the miracles He performs and the protection I trust Him for. He is my everything, and is on my mind day and night, even in my dreams. I will be accused of boasting, but like Paul, I boast in the Lord. He is my strength and my redeemer. I'm not the girl I used to be before 40 years ago, but even more so for the last 17. I should never have married my second husband in the first place. I learned it had been sin to not follow the leading I got for the entire week before the wedding. But 13 years of abuse cured me of ANY disobedience to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So there is the problem - that 1 John 2:1 addresses "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you sin not. And if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;"

Did you notice no repentance is called for in what you have in red? What kind of sin doesn't require repentance? (Answer: 1 John 1:7)

Only willful sin will break your relationship with God because it is rebellion against Him. Then you must go back to the beginning - 1 John 1:9

 

[Ronald]

Jesus cleansed me of my sin by His blood, but then gave me the gift of His Spirit to make me dead to further sin. You should know that.

He died not only for your past sins, but present and future sins.

Once again, only your spirit is pure, white as snow, but your flesh still remains until you die.
In Romans 7:17, 18 which was written by Paul, not Saul, TO THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS CLAIMING: "But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells ..."
You will continue to struggle with this for awhile, I did too. I forgive your insult too!
One more: "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you sin not. And if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;"[/

 

[1stcenturylady]

He died not only for your past sins, but present and future sins.

Once again, only your spirit is pure, white as snow, but your flesh still remains until you die.
In Romans 7:17, 18 which was written by Paul, not Saul, TO THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS CLAIMING: "But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells ..."
You will continue to struggle with this for awhile, I did too. I forgive your insult too!

Where is it written that our present and future sins are automatically forgiven? That would cover willful sins as well wouldn't it? If that is not what you mean, then yes.

BTW, you are still reading Romans 7 out of context. That was while under the law of sin and death, not for those in Jesus.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, has FREED me of the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:8-9 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus cleansed me of my sin by His blood, but then gave me the gift of His Spirit to make me dead to further sin. You should know that.

So now you are sinless??

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins"

"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Did you notice no repentance is called for in what you have in red?

What part of confession excludes repentance in 1 John 1:9 example ??

 

[BobRyan]

Sometimes - as we have seen - the effort to oppose something about the 4th commandment leads a few people to reject the Gospel Christ taught altogether - supposing that it was either legalism or simply Old Covenant.


Christ's argument to the contrary --
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Eph 6:2 -- specifically - the TEN Commandments.

Matt 19 "keep the Commandments... which ones?" and then came the answer right out of the scriptures -- the commandments of God.



and Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

The old covenant law of 10 commandments was still required while Jesus was alive.

So then ... only 24 books in your Bible - the rest is "just for Jews"??

Turns out - the New Covenant IS the Gospel ... and "there is only ONE Gospel" - Gal 1:6-9.

Matt 24 "THIS GOSPEL" of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world and THEN shall the end come.

You appear to be arguing that Jesus's Gospel affirmed the Commandments of God - and very specifically the TEN Commandments.

But then we are to reject that Gospel of Jesus - that is to be preached in all the world... right after He goes to heaven??

 

[1stcenturylady]

What part of confession excludes repentance in 1 John 1:9 example ??

None. Repentance is key, for it is what we must do to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit does not belong to Christ, and neither does anyone who continues to willfully sin. If you do, you must repent all over again. But it is impossible for someone walking in the Spirit to willfully sin and lose their salvation.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
What part of confession excludes repentance in 1 John 1:9 example ??

None.

Ok that is a nice sign for good.

Repentance is key, for it is what we must do to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is what we must do when convicted of sin.


1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins"

"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

 

[1stcenturylady]

BobRyan said: ↑
What part of confession excludes repentance in 1 John 1:9 example ??



Ok that is a nice sign for good.



It is what we must do when convicted of sin.


1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins"

"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

1 John 1:9 is to BECOME a Christian. After that 1 John 1:7 is to stay one.

 

[Bob S]

Yes Lady, Jesus is enough. All the hubbub about keeping days is nothing but a distraction. Keeping days wasn't even about salvation. Those who tote it as such are leading others down the wrong path. Because of it legalism abounds in these threads.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes Lady, Jesus is enough.

"This IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Will be staying with the Bible on this one... instead.

 

[BobRyan]

1 John 1:9 is to BECOME a Christian. After that 1 John 1:7 is to stay one.

you have "quoted you" well while listing a Bible text that does not say what you said.

"IF WE confess" - -John includes himself in 1 John 1:9
Dan 9:20 "confessing my sins and the sins of my people"

The point remains.

More Bible please.

BTW - interesting side-topic ... but so far everyone does agree on the OP - Saturday is the Bible Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

So we agree that the weekly Sabbath - of the Bible -- is Saturday.

And "this is the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3 is pretty hard not to agree on as well.

 

[Bob S]

"This IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Will be staying with the Bible on this one... instead.

and this is His command that we love others as He loves us.

 

[Bob S]

So we agree that the weekly Sabbath - of the Bible -- is Saturday.

And "this is the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3 is pretty hard not to agree on as well.

No but what difference does it make? Salvation is not about keeping any day.


And this is His command that we love others as He loves us. Jesus is God and those are His instructions for new covenant Christians.

 

[BobRyan]

and this is His command that we love others as He loves us.

And that we Honor parents Eph 6:2 -
and Mark 7:6-13 that we not downsize any of God's commandments.
and that we love God with all our heart Matt 22
And that "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4
AND that "sin IS transgression of the LAW" Rom 3:31
AND that the LAW still condemns all mankind as sinners "Romans 3:19-29
AND that to break one commandment is to break them all - James 2
AND that to disregard one Commandment and so teach others - is to be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5)

Matt 22
on these TWO Commandments rest ALL the LAW -- AND the Prophets (i.e. your Bible)
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

No wonder .. since
CHRIST is the one speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai (see Hebrews 8:6-10)