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Scholars on BOTH sides agree - Saturday is the seventh day - the Sabbath of Exodus 20

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by BobRyan, Jul 16, 2017.

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    No it isn't.
     
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    :)
     
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    Very true. the verse doesn't the Sabbath remains. It doesn't say anything about the future. It talks about the rest Jesus offer in Matthew 11:28-30 to people keeping the 7th day sabbath. It should be obvious they didn't have this rest just as God swore they wouldn't.
     
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    Not any more of a problem than nothing was recorded abut the sabbath during Jesus' 40 days on earth after the resurrection. The only day referenced is the first day of the week - Sunday.
     
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    There are no NT statements affirming the 7th day sabbath.
     
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    Nothing about keeping the law as a requirement.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
    "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
    "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
    "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
    "49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." John 12:40
     
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    Until you read the NT..

    "The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28
    "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH for the people of God" Hebrews 4
    "EVERY SABBATH" both Jews and gentiles gathered for GOSPEL preaching in the synagogue Acts 18:4

    Even the majority of pro-Sunday scholars affirm the point that all TEN of the TEN commandments are included in the moral law of God - written on the heart under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-33

    For all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from SABBATH to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23
     
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    Nothing recorded in that 40 days about not taking God's name in vain --that does not mean anything though.. as we all know.
     
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    Going against God's Ten commandments is not the solution or the point of this thread - This thread is about the "Bible fact" that it is Saturday that is the "Sabbath" of Exodus 20:11 and that which Christ kept in the Gospels.
     
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    Not so many here on this thread oppose the Bible fact that the Sabbath is Saturday - the 7th day of the week. But as we see in the OP - not everyone is aware of that and so I wanted a thread where this Bible detail could be the focus.
     
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    Can you show me where in the gospel that Christ kept the Sabbath or told others to.
     
  13. BobRyan

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    Matt 5 Christ said not to invent false doctrine about him being at war with the Law of God.

    Mark 2:28 Christ proclaimed Himself "LORD of the Sabbath" -- it is the Lord's day. He did not say "disregard the day that I am the LORD of". Isaiah 58:13 He said this "Sabbath - the Holy day of the LORD"

    “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
    and from doing as you please on my holy day,
    if you call the Sabbath a delight
    and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
    and if you honor it by not going your own way
    and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,

    We find that it was "his custom" to attend the Synagogue on the Sabbath and lead out.

    Luke 4:16
    16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

    His practice was to live in obedience to the Word of God
    Paul had that same practice.

    Some will complain that there is no text where Jesus specifically said "not to take God's name in vain" -- but we know from reading the bible "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

    -- updated the OP for those who would like a very nice video by some really neat people promoting an idea that is not in keeping with my OP.
     
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    Romans 7:5-8 New King James Version (NKJV)

    The Law of Sin and Death

    5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

    7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire.



    Romans 6:1-4 New King James Version (NKJV)

    Now We Are Dead to Sin

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



    Romans 8:1-9 New King James Version (NKJV)

    The Law of the Spirit

    8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


    John 20:28-30New King James Version (NKJV)

    28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

    29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”


    1 John 3:18-23 New King James Version (NKJV)

    Commandments of the New Covenant

    18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.


    Let’s talk about the laws on our heart. Who put them there? The Spirit, that is IF He dwells in you. Those are the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, to love God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. They are NOT the Old Covenant laws of sin and death.

    But why do they seem the same? Thou shalt not kill? Love prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not steal? Self-control prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not commit adultery? Faithfulness prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not covet? Peace and contentment prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not lie? Kindness prevents that in your new nature. Honor your parents? Longsuffering and gentleness takes care of them for as long as they live. Believing in the name of Jesus Christ? Joy unspeakable!

    Whatever you wouldn't want done to yourself, you do to others.

    The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Those who have to STRIVE to be all the above, don't have the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, they are still trying to keep the law of sin and death in THEIR OWN strength. Their carnal nature makes it hard.
     
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  15. yeshuaslavejeff

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    All this doesn't really show
    much directly nor simply: e.g. do you obey God or disobey God ? Is there ever a good excuse to disobey God ? (is there anytime disobeying God is NOT a sin ?)
     
  16. yeshuaslavejeff

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    Probably not.
    It has been posted dozens of times, and probably read a few times, already,
    besides the number of times over the last many years it was brought up, read, or posted,
    and ignored?
    Notice that even though God hates divorce, for example, people can read and read and read
    and still disagree with God if they decide they want a divorce ?
     
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    It is called walking in the Spirit.
     
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    Hello Bob.

    None of those quoted verses above mention the phrase, the ten commandments?
     
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    My husband is the last man I kissed back in 2001 before he left me for his best friend's wife. I don't even date because he is not dead. So you'll have to ask somebody else.
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

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    Since when is walking in the spirit fine with disobeying God ?
     
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