The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[1stcenturylady]

You see, it is easy to say we must always follow after the holy spirit, and easy to say we always do. But the practical reality is, we don't always do what we say.
Likewise. When people say we must obey all of Christ's commandments, what they say is not what they actually do.
I prefer honesty, in humility, in preference to just making pat statements that have no actual bearing on the reality of my life or anyone else's.

At first, yes. But as the sanctification process progresses, and our relationship with God grows, we become more and more in love with God and He is on our mind all the time, it is easy. I realize this doesn't happen to everyone, I'm afraid.

 

[stuart lawrence]

At first, yes. But as the sanctification process progresses, and our relationship with God grows, we become more and more in love with God and He is on our mind all the time, it is easy. I realize this doesn't happen to everyone, I'm afraid.

Yes, I know you believe it is easy not to commit sin. So whenever you fail to faultlessly obey the entire law of God, what would that suggest?

 

[JLB777]

It is you who do not understand scripture. You cannot understand beyond quoting the partial letter, you don't understand the message contained in the letter. And like Jason, you will never admit to error, for you consider yourself wise in the knowledge of the partial letter, and have come here to teach others what you THINK you know. To admit to error is impossible for you.
No point in debating such people

That's funny, since you only can insult and claim your opinion, when I use scripture to validate what I teach.

Judas Iscariot was sent out as a sheep among wolves to preach the Gospel to the lost sheep of Israel, being empowered to heal the sick, cast out devil, raise the dead and cleanse the lepers.

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:1-8

• But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:6

At this point, Judas was not yet lost.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us, that Jesus sends out and empowers unbelievers to preach the Gospel to the lost and cast our devils and heal the sick, which are signs that follow believers:

And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons... Mark 16:17


He was also appointed to sit on one of the twelve thrones with the others and reign with Jesus in the millennium.

• Judas was appointed to inherit eternal life.

28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Matthew 19:28-29

• you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1. Judas believed for a while, then fell by transgression, having become a traitor.
2. A traitor, by definition belongs to a kingdom, then becomes a traitor.
3. Someone who was never apart of a kingdom, may be an enemy, but to be a traitor they have to be a part of that kingdom, then defect and become a traitor.

12 Now it came to pass in those days that He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. 13 And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles: 14 Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; 15 Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; 16 Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor.
Luke 6:12-15


Saul was an enemy of the Gospel, then became Paul, an Apostle of the Lord.

Judas was an Apostle of the Lord, then became a traitor.

• Becomes means they were the one thing, then changed and became the other.

JLB

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes, I know you believe it is easy not to commit sin. So whenever you fail to faultlessly obey the entire law of God, what would that suggest?

Immediately obey the Holy Spirit who WILL convict those who have Him.

 

[stuart lawrence]

That's funny, since you only can insult and claim your opinion, when I use scripture to validate what I teach.

Judas Iscariot was sent out as a sheep among wolves to preach the Gospel to the lost sheep of Israel, being empowered to heal the sick, cast out devil, raise the dead and cleanse the lepers.

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:1-8

• But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:6

At this point, Judas was not yet lost.

• Please show me a scripture that teaches us, that Jesus sends out and empowers unbelievers to preach the Gospel to the lost and cast our devils and heal the sick, which are signs that follow believers:

And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons... Mark 16:17


He was also appointed to sit on one of the twelve thrones with the others and reign with Jesus in the millennium.

• Judas was appointed to inherit eternal life.

28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Matthew 19:28-29

• you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1. Judas believed for a while, then fell by transgression, having become a traitor.
2. A traitor, by definition belongs to a kingdom, then becomes a traitor.
3. Someone who was never apart of a kingdom, may be an enemy, but to be a traitor they have to be a part of that kingdom, then defect and become a traitor.

12 Now it came to pass in those days that He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. 13 And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles: 14 Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; 15 Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; 16 Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor.
Luke 6:12-15


Saul was an enemy of the Gospel, then became Paul, an Apostle of the Lord.

Judas was an Apostle of the Lord, then became a traitor.

• Becomes means they were the one thing, then changed and became the other.

JLB

Muslims, jws, Mormons and many more endlessly quote scripture to justify their beliefs

 

[JLB777]

Yes, I know you believe it is easy not to commit sin. So whenever you fail to faultlessly obey the entire law of God, what would that suggest?

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18


The burden is on you now to prove that Christians are required to be under the law of Moses, using scripture.




JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

Immediately obey the Holy Spirit who WILL convict those who have Him.

Obeying the holy spirit requires honesty to defend spiritual truth does it not?
Thus must come before seeking to defend another.

Can someone be a faithful follower of Christ if they are a habitual thief, and therefore constantly breaking one of the TC?
Following after the holy spirit requires a straightforward answer according to your convictions.
.can a devil be a faithful follower of Christ?
Same applies here

 

[JLB777]

Muslins, has, Mormons and many more endlessly quote scripture to justify their beliefs

You will need to use scripture to validate what you believe, since this is a Christian site, and a theologically based thread.


If you choose not to, then you have shown us, where your doctrine comes from; the doctrine of man, based in the shifting sands of man's opinion, rather than the solid foundation of God's word.


“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
Matthew 7:24-27




JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

You will need to use scripture to validate what you believe, since this is a Christian site, and a theologically based thread.


If you choose not to, then you have shown us, where your doctrine comes from; the doctrine of man, based in the shifting sands of man's opinion, rather than the solid foundation of God's word.


“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
Matthew 7:24-27




JLB

Do you claim to try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?

It's religious hypocrisy you know to demand of others what you don't demand if yourself.
The truth is not in such people. But they can still endlessly quote the letter, as they did in Jesus day

 

[JLB777]

Can someone be a faithful follower of Christ if they are a habitual thief, and therefore constantly breaking one of the TC?

One can not be led by the Spirit, to practice the works of the flesh.

If a person is led by the Spirit, they are not under the law.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:18-21



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Do you claim to try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?

It's religious hypocrisy you know to demand of others what you don't demand if yourself.
The truth is not in such people. But they can still endlessly quote the letter, as they did in Jesus day

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Please show me which scripture you are referring to so all can examine what you are teaching and where it comes from.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6





JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

One can not be led by the Spirit, to practice the works of the flesh.

If a person is led by the Spirit, they are not under the law.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:18-21



JLB

Yet you believe a habitual thief, was at the same time a faithful follower of Christ?

Wisdom is always justified by its inconsistencies

 

[stuart lawrence]

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Please show me which scripture you are referring to so all can examine what you are teaching and where it comes from.



JLB

Just read the gospels and Jesus remarks to the Pharisees.

They didn't practice what they preached.
The truth was not in them

 

[JLB777]

Just read the gospels and Jesus remarks to the Pharisees.

They didn't practice what they preached.
The truth was not in them

I will no longer respond to your post's that have no scripture, and just talk's in circles, and accuses people of things that you yourself don't fulfill or walk in, or you can not show from the scriptures.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:18


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Yet you believe a habitual thief, was at the same time a faithful follower of Christ?

Wisdom is always justified by its inconsistencies

I believe no such thing.

Please stop making up lies about what I believe.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6


No scripture.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I will no longer respond to your post's that have no scripture, and just talk's in circles, and accuses people of things that you yourself don't fulfill or walk in, or you can not show from the scriptures.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:18


JLB

The teachers of the law and Pharisees sit in Moses seat so you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do for they do not practice what they preach
Matt23:2&3

Do you deny Jesus said these people were blind guides and the truth was not in them?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I believe no such thing.

Please stop making up lies about what I believe.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6


No scripture.

Stop lying.
You wrote in a post to me that many people have read, that Judas was a faithfull follower of Christ for three and a half years. Scripture tells us during this period Judas often Stole money from the purse.
He was a habitual thief at the same time you claim he was a faithful follower of Christ

 

[stuart lawrence]

I believe no such thing.

Please stop making up lies about what I believe.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6


No scripture.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law. Rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

What's your response?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I believe no such thing.

Please stop making up lies about what I believe.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6


No scripture.

You see, there are two types of people on these kind of websites. Those who quote much scripture without understanding the message contained in the letter, and those who do understand it.
Which type are you?

Why are sinfull passions aroused in people by the law if they live under it?
Rom7:5

Why shall sin not be your master for you are not under law but under grace?
Rom6:14

 

[stuart lawrence]

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

Dont just quote scripture. Explain it.
Explain how someone is not under a law of righteousness, but if they sin/ fail to obey the law by failing to follow after the holy spirit they are placed back under the condemnation of the law.