What do Christians think of Atheists?

[JoeP222w]

Why do you believe it's the word of God ?

Because of the revelation of the Holy Spirit, because I have tested it to be true and has never failed, because of the significant manuscript evidence, and because of the testimony of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[JoeP222w]

That's just the point how can Christianity be represented accurately, when there are so many factions and splinters.

The truth of God is not based on the many factions or splinters in Christianity, nor my denomination or the translation of the Bible that I use.

I know you believe that you position is the true one, but so does everyone else, you would have to provide some evidence that your is the most accurate representation of a god.

I did not write the Bible. God wrote the Bible using the Holy Spirit through the inspiration of men used by God. The Bible is truth.

Yes but you didn't answer the question how did you get 7-8% , if it's a guess, then why not simply say so, and why do you believe a line in a 2,000 year old book on the subject

Yes, it is an educated guess based on the word of God. And simply because a book is old does not negate the truth found in it, most especially the Bible.

Yes but that's just words in a 2,000 year old book that one of many religious books, why is yours right and everyone else not correct ? And frankly have you seen Jesus ?

Again, age does not automatically mean it is not truth.

No other "religious book" has the authorship, the manuscript evidence of the Bible has. I have seen the work of Jesus and I know Him through His inerrant word of the Bible.

I beg to differ.

Can you demonstrate that from proper exegetical, contextual examination of scripture where the Bible says the earth is flat? Until you can, yours is simply and assertion from silence.

What proof ?

All of creation is evidence of God's work. The conscience is evidence of God's work. You may reject that, but you would simply be further proving the word of God to be true.

Rom 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (19) For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. (20) For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Oh it's not an insult, we don't feel so much insulted as amazed that people believe such things.

Again you would be further proving the word of God to be true.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[possibletarian]

Because of the revelation of the Holy Spirit, because I have tested it to be true and has never failed, because of the significant manuscript evidence, and because of the testimony of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

In what way have you tested it to be true ?

 

[possibletarian]

The truth of God is not based on the many factions or splinters in Christianity, nor my denomination or the translation of the Bible that I use.

So what is it based on then ?

I did not write the Bible. God wrote the Bible using the Holy Spirit through the inspiration of men used by God. The Bible is truth.

I know you did not write the bible, I'm more concerned as to why you believe it to be inspired by anything other than men.

Yes, it is an educated guess based on the word of God. And simply because a book is old does not negate the truth found in it, most especially the Bible.

Why especially then bible ? and a guess then, fair enough.

No other "religious book" has the authorship, the manuscript evidence of the Bible has. I have seen the work of Jesus and I know Him through His inerrant word of the Bible.

So you haven't seen Jesus then, just a kind of belief in your head, what works have you seen that cannot be explained by religious belief and fervour. ?

Can you demonstrate that from proper exegetical, contextual examination of scripture where the Bible says the earth is flat? Until you can, yours is simply and assertion from silence.

Oh i didn't claim the world was flat, I asserted that some Christians did believe that and they quoted scripture to back up their case. It might be helpful if you actually read what people write.

All of creation is evidence of God's work. The conscience is evidence of God's work. You may reject that, but you would simply be further proving the word of God to be true.

How would rejecting it or asking for evidence prove anything true ?

Rom 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (19) For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. (20) For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

How does what a bloke wrote in a book prove anything, without evidence ? Now I know you believe, but you haven't even given me a good reason to even understand why you believe, maybe that would help.

Again you would be further proving the word of God to be true.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Again how does the ramblings of someone who was of the same religion as you prove anything ? Of course those who didn't agree with him had to be in rebellion or deluded in some way, but it could be as easily said of the hundreds of gods and religions that you don't follow.

 

[JoeP222w]

In what way have you tested it to be true ?

Read it, studied it, examined historical and archaeological evidences, read some of the early church histories and writings.

Spiritually, I have asked God for many things in prayer as His word tells us to do, and He has directly answered my questions and requests. Often not in the way I asked them or with expected responses, but nonetheless, God has heard my prayers as He promised He would of His children.

 

[JoeP222w]

So what is it based on then ?

God, His truth, His integrity. There is no higher authority. He is God.

I know you did not write the bible, I'm more concerned as to why you believe it to be inspired by anything other than men.

As mentioned in other responses, I have tested it and the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth found in scripture to me.

Why especially then bible ?

I have found no other books that makes the claims that the Bible makes and proves them to be true. The Bible is absolutely unique.

So you haven't seen Jesus then, just a kind of belief in your head, what works have you seen that cannot be explained by religious belief and fervour. ?

Not in the sense that you are demanding. My belief is not based in me or my emotions, but in the person and nature of God. God's existence has no dependence on my belief (or someone else's disbelief).

Oh i didn't claim the world was flat, I asserted that some Christians did believe that and they quoted scripture to back up their case. It might be helpful if you actually read what people write.

Perhaps I did misread you and you may have not specifically said that you claimed the Bible said the earth was flat, but those who claim the Bible says the world is flat are not deriving that from proper exegetical examination of scripture.


As to the rest of your comments, while you refuse to bow the knee to Jesus Christ, no amount of evidence will ever satisfy you until you humble your heart to God.

John 8:31-32 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, "If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, (32) and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Luke 16:29-31 But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.' (30) And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' (31) He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'"

 

[possibletarian]

God, His truth, His integrity. There is no higher authority. He is God.

See Joe, here is our problem, that's just mumbo jumbo to me, while I truly believe that you believe, it means nothing to me.

As mentioned in other responses, I have tested it and the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth found in scripture to me.

Again sorry Joe, while again acknowledging that it means everything to you, it means nothing to me

I have found no other books that makes the claims that the Bible makes and proves them to be true. The Bible is absolutely unique.

Well isn't every different holy book by nature unique ?

Not in the sense that you are demanding. My belief is not based in me or my emotions, but in the person and nature of God. God's existence has no dependence on my belief (or someone else's disbelief).

Of course not, if a god existed in fact, then no amount of belief or unbelief would make any difference. but I would at least need a good reason to believe. I suspect you believe you have a good reason, it's just not the same for me.

Perhaps I did misread you and you may have not specifically said that you claimed the Bible said the earth was flat, but those who claim the Bible says the world is flat are not deriving that from proper exegetical examination of scripture.

Fair enough

As to the rest of your comments, while you refuse to bow the knee to Jesus Christ, no amount of evidence will ever satisfy you until you humble your heart to God.

John 8:31-32 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, "If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, (32) and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Luke 16:29-31 But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.' (30) And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' (31) He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'"

Again, I believe that you believe that but to me it's just mumbo jumbo, of course people who believe will indeed believe. My problem is the same could be said of any belief in anything. if i were to humble my heart to Allah, and believe, would that make it true, or just true to me?

 

[JoeP222w]

See Joe, here is our problem, that's just mumbo jumbo to me, while I truly believe that you believe, it means nothing to me.

I know that.

Well isn't every different holy book by nature unique ?

Not necessarily and no other book I know matches the veracity, documentation and truth of the Bible.

if i were to humble my heart to Allah, and believe, would that make it true, or just true to me?

Truth is not relative.

 

[Cearbhall]

Not necessarily and no other book I know matches the veracity, documentation and truth of the Bible.

Genuine question, in what ways has it proven to be true?

 

[possibletarian]

Truth is not relative.

It's not that truth is relative but that truth claims are, and without evidence it remains simply a claim.

 

[Cearbhall]

Truth is not relative.

Right. So you can understand why you saying "This thing is true" or "It's true whether or not you believe it" doesn't meet everyone's standards of evidence. There's no substance to that. Certainly not enough for me to accept the statement as objective reality.

 

[JoeP222w]

Genuine question, in what ways has it proven to be true?

Fulfilled prophecy, historical/archaeological evidence.

 

[JoeP222w]

So you can understand why you saying "This thing is true" or "It's true whether or not you believe it" doesn't meet everyone's standards of evidence.

The definition of evidence is not subjective.

Certainly not enough for me to accept the statement as objective reality.

Your standard is not the measure of reality, since you are only a creature. God is the measurement of reality and truth.

 

[quatona]

The definition of evidence is not subjective.



Your standard is not the measure of reality, since you are only a creature. God is the measurement of reality and truth.

I find it hard to believe that you are God.

 

[IceMasterPT]

Answering to the first topic:
I respect atheism, but i think atheism is a form of faith .
I mean, faith by definition is being Sure of things you cannot see, to know without proof, right?
Well, atheists say with all conviction that there is no God, however they don't even know what or who God is, they are denying the existence of God without knowing if he exists or not.

We Christians on the other hand, have faith in the lord, because somewhere on our lives, we decided to put our knees down, and ask God to guide us, and to reveal himself (God, if you exist, if you are With me, please Guide me, help me), and then He did. Not in a apparition or dream or hallucination, but through the opportunities in life, and through other people. And faith in God is something you build and grow over time.

But the Logical way of acting, when you don't know if God exists or not, and you don't care, is called Agnosticism. Agnosticism is the view that says :"I don't know if there is a god or not, so i will not claim its existence or nonexistence for there is not enough evidence"

anyway, God will always answer to you, NOT in the way you excpect, but he will. If you don't have faith in God, you will not see the answer, or you will see it, but reject it as coincidence =)

 

[JoeP222w]

I find it hard to believe that you are God.

I never said I was God, nor implied I was God. And I find that highly offensive.

 

[quatona]

I never said I was God, nor implied I was God.

Good. So "your standard is not the measure of reality, since you are only a creature", too.
God - if such exists - doesn´t seem to have an account here.
So let´s not pretend these discussion are me against God.

 

[JoeP222w]

Good. So "your standard is not the measure of reality, since you are only a creature", too.
God - if such exists - doesn´t seem to have an account here.
So let´s not pretend these discussion are me against God.

God has given us His standard in His inerrant word of the Bible. He does not have to be a member of these forums as a requirement for His standards to be true.

Your rejection of God (and even my trust in Him) has no effect on His truth. Again, the standard of truth is found in God and God alone. I never said the standard of truth is based in me.

 

[quatona]

God has given us His standard in His inerrant word of the Bible.

Yea, that´s what you believe.

I never said the standard of truth is based in me.

Good, so I will take your statements with that very grain of salt that you feel statements of humans should be taken with.

 

[Cearbhall]

Fulfilled prophecy, historical/archaeological evidence.

Could you be more specific?

Your standard is not the measure of reality, since you are only a creature. God is the measurement of reality and truth.

Either way, you aren't the measure of reality and truth, either, which takes us back to what I said.