Jesus did not come to save the ((world))

[Monk Brendan]

You do understand that countless millions have died since then without hearing the gospel, right?

Forgive me, but do you KNOW ALL of the workings of heaven, and how God brings people to be judged when they die? How do you KNOW that the Good News is not preached to everyone just before they come before God, and that, hearing of God's love, many repent? I never assume anything abut God and His workings. If I don't know, I say, I don't know.

And there is no way that YOU can know, either!

 

[csaliba]

It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world

M-Bob

I pray not for the world.

There was no need to pray for the World.

The process of the world has nothing to do with the process of Souls regarding salvation.
The world was saved totally as soon as Jesus died on the cross, simply because He eradicated the curse on earth caused By the sin of Adam and Eve. The curse was the participation of Satan and his respective filthy sinful reproduction creatures of flesh and blood, in which all souls were locked, part and parcel within, and only death would liberate the soul, but only to go straight to hell, till Jesus was born in all things like us except sin, went to hell, liberated all those souls who accepted Jesus' gospel and established His kingdom to be on earth. Jesus already the owner of the Universe never mind the world: John 16:33.......I have overcome the world.
Now the world is perfect and the Holy Spirit is it's ruler, in fact God is using the world to punish all humanity with, for rejecting God's will, and we are all anchored doing our will, which is corrupted, throughout.The fact that Jesus said:
Matthew 12:31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
The Holy Spirit is the most sensitive in order to fulfill Jesus' throughout justice declared in

John16:8 And when he is come, he will convince the world of sin, and of justice, and of judgment.

The Holy Spirit determines what is sin or not on earth. The Holy Spirit fulfill Justice on earth. When they shot the pope He controlled the bullet. The Holy Spirit is judging the earth accordingly and instantly without our awareness.

Luke 18:7 And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard? 8 I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them.........

 

[Monk Brendan]

You are becoming Reformed before my eyes! LOL!

Wrong! You are becoming more Roman!

 

[Monk Brendan]

I'm not a big believer in deathbed conversions. Sure, some may happen but I wouldn't count on it.

Again, you are discounting God. HE CAN do anything He wants.

 

[surrender1]

I found this interesting.

 

[surrender1]

I found this interesting.

There's enough scripture to give me hope that God can and will save the whole world. If there's a way, surely God can find it.

 

[Hank77]

Hitler seems to have been one of The Lost. If Hitler weren't sought and saved, then God would have failed (fell short / sinned), and God doesn't fail (fall short / sin) (imo).

I agree, God never fails.
It is man who rejects the promptings, the pulling on his heart and conscious, it is man who chooses to reject God, it is the failing of the man.

Where does scripture say that all that are sought will be saved?

 

[surrender1]

I like to remember that the Bible ends with the hope that all will, at some point, enter the gates that will NEVER be shut:

Rev. 21
The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

[surrender1]

I agree, God never fails.
It is man who rejects the promptings, the pulling on his heart and conscious, it is man who chooses to reject God, it is the failing of the man.

Where does scripture say that all that are sought will be saved?

Rev. 21 has the unsaved outside the gates that are NEVER shut. This is one of many scriptures that point to the hope of all being saved at some point.

 

[surrender1]

Eternity is a long time to be wandering around outside the city of God with wide open gates. God can do a lot with eternity. Given enough time and opportunity, God can redeem even someone like Hitler.

 

[bangmegafan]

Eternity is a long time to be wandering around outside the city of God with wide open gates. God can do a lot with eternity. Given enough time and opportunity, God can redeem even someone like Hitler.

agree, in fact hitler is not more sinner than us. due to his power, he implemented his thoughts whereas we can't do that

considering pure thoughts, not actions - we are not better than hitler

so God can save hitler also

 

[surrender1]

Here's another one that's quite powerful:

Romans 5:18
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

If all means all in the first half then all means all in the second half.

 

[surrender1]

Where does scripture say that all that are sought will be saved?

Here's another one in case you missed it:

Romans 5:18
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

If all means all in the first half then all means all in the second half.

 

[lsume]

One cannot say. His last thought might have been, "my Jesus, save me."

What about the thief on the cross with Christ who went to Paradise that same day? As far as I know, that thief was not water baptized.

Praise God for that Scripture!
Praise God for His Mercy!

 

[Monk Brendan]

What about the thief on the cross with Christ who went to Paradise that same day? As far as I know, that thief was not water baptized.

I didn't say anything about Baptism.

 

[lsume]

I didn't say anything about Baptism.

It was not my intention to to contradict anything that you had written to my knowledge. I simply was showing God's Word with an example of great mercy. I need The Great Physician as well as I need God's Mercy and Grace.

 

[lsume]

We are saved by Grace through Faith in Christ Jesus and our obedience to God's Word displays our faith.

 

[No Swansong]

Jesus died for everyone. But God will choose only few as God knows their hearts and knows that they will accept him. God will make them strong in faith. But God wants everyone to be saved. Those who are chosen by God should spread the Gospel and take the responsibility to build faith in others who are not saved

Where is this found in the Scriptures?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

God wants ALL people to be saved, that's in the scriptures if you didn't know.

Let us not forget as Simple Men that God is God and if he wanted ALL PEOPLE to be saved -- that is Exactly what He would do -- period. ...

But, that is not the message delivered in the Bible.

Let us please remember the ones who Thought that they were getting in and Jesus told them, "I never knew you."

Easy conversions might not be that easy.

I hope none think as I did for many years that the good old Sinners Prayer meant that I was in. I think this one is going to fool many.

Who is a fool?
A fool is one who fools themself.

M-Bob

 

[Hank77]

Many don't like the idea that God is sovereign. It creates competition for them.

No, God is indeed sovereign, therefore it is He who decided how men would be saved.
It was God who decided when He created man that He would allow man to make choices for himself. Adam was created without sin but still he rejected God's desire for him and Eve and went his own way. He could not have done that if God had not created him with the intellect and the ability to make the wrong choice.
So, imh understanding of God's Sovereignty, God must have willed that man have the ability to choose or reject Him.

Do you think that it was God's will for Adam to sin? Do you think that God made Adam sin?