LDS God pre-existed the Universe

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The following two statements are two different things:
1) That this thing is True
2) That knowing this thing is required for salvation.

My question was in regards to the first statement: does anywhere in the Bible does it say "it must be listed here or it's automatically false"? You did not answer that question, but instead diverted to the second statement which is a very different topic.

No one is arguing with listening to the Lord, the Spirit, or scriptures. In fact, LDS are HUGE proponents of doing all those things.

Amen to all of that!

It must line up with scripture (The Holy Bible) or it is false.
 
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It must line up with scripture (The Holy Bible) or it is false.
IFwe follow the true SPirit , do we not BY that true spirit LIVE JESUS saynigs.
Lets all talk about the aurthor of our FAITH
let us examine if we live or omit his sayings.
 
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This speaks to plurality - more than one god created the earth. Right there should be a BIG red flag. And you said you were not lying? Your words are just above stating contrary to these written doctrines of LDS.

“And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth” (Abraham 4:1; see all of Abraham 4-5).
The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three different persons, in ONE God. However, because they are different persons and our language lacks good tenses to describe this, they are sometimes referred to in purlelll, which in the case is a matter of same-difference. Another example of this is Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22.
 
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The HOLY SPIRIT shall give us a mouth that none can resist.
I am still waiting on the answer to JESUS sayings.........
Jane, if you are hearing from THE SPIRIT
then why is it unable to answer my questions.
Cause , I hear no reponse. and now a word
that I leave you with .
and I shall give thee a mouth that none can resist or overcome.
 
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The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three different persons, in ONE God. However, because they are different persons and our language lacks good tenses to describe this, they are sometimes referred to in purlelll, which in the case is a matter of same-difference. Another example of this is Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22.
You seem to be able to answer peace love and joy. but how come so silent
about JESUS sayings. are we living them.....
if not , HE says we KNOW him NOT.
jane, please , I plead with you because I love you.
FOLLOW only CHRIST .
all denominations fail the JESUS sayings test.
which tells me...they follow men , not CHRIST .
 
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Truth never flees from a lie.
You explain anything you want.
let us stick to JESUS sayings. can you please , please just answer those questions.
I am answering your questions. I apologize if it's not fast enough for you. I also must be going soon for tonight, but can chat more tomorrow.
 
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I don't deny the difference. However, I cannot deviate from what I read in scripture and hear from the Spirit based on your words, nor would I except you to do the reverse.
i have to ask how onearth did this answer simple questions about what JESUS said.
are you following HIM. if so explain those sayings. show the proof of our faith as pual once said.
 
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You seem to be able to answer peace love and joy. but how come so silent
about JESUS sayings. are we living them.....
if not , HE says we KNOW him NOT.
Who said I was silent?
jane, please , I plead with you because I love you.
FOLLOW only CHRIST .
all denominations fail the JESUS sayings test.
which tells me...they follow men , not CHRIST .
Friends thalord, I *AM* following Christ and the Holy Spirit. I'm sorry if you don't believe that, or you believe something false about me, or whatever. But I cannot and will not abandon Christ to follow you instead. I will stay my path with Christ.
 
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i have to ask how onearth did this answer simple questions about what JESUS said.
are you following HIM. if so explain those sayings. show the proof of our faith as pual once said.
I*AM* answering your questions! And growing frustrated with you keep asking the same ones over and over again while ignoring my answers. I'm feeling like I'm talking to a recording and not a person.
 
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The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three different persons, in ONE God. However, because they are different persons and our language lacks good tenses to describe this, they are sometimes referred to in purlelll, which in the case is a matter of same-difference. Another example of this is Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22.

Is the bolded taught by the LDS church, or is that your opinion?
 
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Again, there are no contradictions with actual doctrine.
Really??

Gospel fundamental???!!! Really?? Not according to The Holy Bible!

“To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done. People who are not married in the temple may live in other parts of the celestial kingdom, but they will not be exalted” (Gospel Fundamentals [2001], 201).


I'm praying for you Jane.
 
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Mormonism teaches God is a resurrected man from another planet who attained Godhood. The bible teaches that God created the Universe and everything in it:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night He made the stars also

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Well, look what I found. After all Jane's denials that it was NOT so. The LDS aim is for each to become just like a god and go on to create new or other world's and eternities over which "they shall rule as gods."

Here is from LDS official writings and teaching documents/books.


“To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done. People who are not married in the temple may live in other parts of the celestial kingdom, but they will not be exalted” (Gospel Fundamentals [2001], 201).

“As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be” (Lorenzo Snow, often quoted, e.g., Presidents of the Church: Student Manual [2004], 88).

“Eternal life is to us the sum of pre-existence, present existence, and the continu¬ation of life in immortality, holding out to us the power of endless progression and increase. With that feeling and that assurance, we believe that ‘As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.’ [See Lorenzo Snow, ‘The Grand Destiny of Man,’ Deseret Evening News, July 20, 1901, 22.] Being created in the image of God, we believe that it is not improper, that it is not unrighteous, for us to hope that we may be permitted to partake of the attributes of deity and, if we are faithful, to become like unto God…” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith [2011], 71).

“‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods” (Lorenzo Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59, quoted in Presidents of the Church: Student Manual [2004], 90).

One of the commandments in The Holy Bible: Thou shalt not lie. Oh, right. It is an unreliable source LDS say. Jane, when I said there would not be an honest discourse on the matter, you vehemently denied such a thing. As others raised supporting proof to the OP, you dismissed it...said we were misinformed and that it just was not true.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is based on TRUTH. We will not hide it under a bushel, but shine HIS light into the darkness.
 
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Mans physcology teaches that ones like me are dangerous , perhaps have even a virus.
i would like to hear from both ironhold and jane doe.

When I first started online in 2000, anyone who self-identified as Mormon had a target on their back... literally. Instead of comparing likes and upvotes, a lot of us compared the number of death threats we received.

All too often, these came from mainline Christians.

I'll let that sink in.
 
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