I had the weirdest experience last night and it left me horrified

[EdyChristian28]

Don't ever go to Lakewood. The youth minister held a pare of panties in his hand, put them on and called himself the devil. no lie. ^

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

If you don't believe in hell or a second death then how is the devil a threat

I don't know what assumption you are making about the devil that requires him to be punished to make him a threat. So explain why the devil needs a future punishment to be a threat to men.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I don't know what assumption you are making about the devil that requires him to be punished to make him a threat. So explain why the devil needs a future punishment to be a threat to men.

No no I'm saying people who die in sin away from god ending up in hell or damnation not the devil. Like the threat of hell and then a lake of fire if an individual chooses to not side with god

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

No no I'm saying people who die in sin away from god ending up in hell or damnation not the devil

What you are saying is not clear. You just jumped from saying how is the devil a threat without hell, to now saying something about people who die in sin going to hell. My patience is running thin on you actually saying something coherent.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

What you are saying is not clear. You just jumped from saying how is the devil a threat without hell, to now saying something about people who die in sin going to hell. My patience is running thin on you actually saying something coherent.

.... it's like your brain is dead or something like you can't connect ideals. Look what I'm clearly saying is that if there is no hell or 2nd death then how is the devil a threat if the Bible states that he seeks to persuade and lead people to a 2nd death in hell. If the Bible says that thou that is of sin is of the devil and that their destination is a pit where there will be a gnashing of teeth. If there isn't a location in which the devil leads a sinner into then where's the threat? Why not just chill with the devil if there's no consequence?

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

If there isn't a location in which the devil leads a sinner into then where's the threat?

Well I just want to congratulate you on taking the extra 5 seconds you needed to say something that doesn't require me to read your mind. As far as your question, threats are irrelevant to nonbelievers. Nobody ever became saved because they were so afraid of burning in hell. Nobody believes in God because of threats. If thats why you believe in God then that is a terrible reason. The devil is a threat on many fronts, including things like illness, harassment,discouragement, confusion. Threat means fear of some future consequence or action, and nonbelievers clearly don't have that, believers shouldn't have that. So a threat is irrelevant.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Well I just want to congratulate you on taking the extra 5 seconds you needed to say something that doesn't require me to read your mind. As far as your question, threats are irrelevant to nonbelievers. Nobody ever became saved because they were so afraid of burning in hell. Nobody believes in God because of threats. If thats why you believe in God then that is a terrible reason. The devil is a threat on many fronts, including things like illness, harassment,discouragement, confusion. Threat means fear of some future consequence or action, and nonbelievers clearly don't have that, believers shouldn't have that. So a threat is irrelevant.

And I want to congratulate you for finally understanding something I guess lol. You were looking like a typical stay at home watch church on tv guy. Also I got saved because I believed in hell and I know many that did also do that disproves that theory. I now love god and am saved for other reasons but my initial reason was that. Next true he can harass with illnesses but Christians also suffer illnesses but just like with a Christian it would be short term for a sinner as well. Now for a sinner could be long term like depression though something a Christian never has.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Well I just want to congratulate you on taking the extra 5 seconds you needed to say something that doesn't require me to read your mind. As far as your question, threats are irrelevant to nonbelievers. Nobody ever became saved because they were so afraid of burning in hell. Nobody believes in God because of threats. If thats why you believe in God then that is a terrible reason. The devil is a threat on many fronts, including things like illness, harassment,discouragement, confusion. Threat means fear of some future consequence or action, and nonbelievers clearly don't have that, believers shouldn't have that. So a threat is irrelevant.

aside from that you forget a Christian life can be hard look at Paul for example or Jeremiah . Wouldn't it be more Comfortable in your theology to just chill in sin that's enjoyable like drugs or adultry ans fornication (for some) and reap the benifits of heaven later? Wouldn't it be more harder for a Christian to resist sins if there's no consequence besides a headache or some confusion for a bit?

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Wouldn't it be more harder for a Christian to resist sins if there's no consequence besides a headache or some confusion for a bit?

You are saying people who are born again and are saved are still going to hell if they don't act right? Seems like Christ died for nothing if we are still under the law. Salvation is a free gift, and if you sin it doesn't make the gift of salvation go away.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

You are saying people who are born again and are saved are still going to hell if they don't act right? Seems like Christ died for nothing if we are still under the law. Salvation is a free gift, and if you sin it doesn't make the gift of salvation go away.

. . And no the Bible talks about how sin can overcome an insidividual and they achieve reprobate status. I know people who went to just drink one beer or take one cigarette and now they are hooked. The devil works like that he gives you more then you asked for. And if there isn't a need to be Christ like or a 2nd death or chance to lose salvation then it's more easier to succumb to sin. I agree if you sin just take it up with god, but the Bible says lay not a foundation of repetence. You can only do that so much, the Bible says to grow and not be ignorant of the devils devices. You can't fall for that same sin again and again. Or else as 1 john I believe puts it you're of the devil, and thus you go where he goes. You only get so much chances before you just end up in a reprobate status or Maybe you don't get to a reprobate status but you at least backslide and lose the r Holy Spirit and must seek salvation again

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

. . And no the Bible talks about how sin can overcome an insidividual and they achieve reprobate status. I know people who went to just drink one beer or take one cigarette and now they are hooked. The devil works like that he gives you more then you asked for. And if there isn't a need to be Christ like or a 2nd death or chance to lose salvation then it's more easier to succumb to sin. I agree if you sin just take it up with god, but the Bible says lay not a foundation of repetence. You can only do that so much, the Bible says to grow and not be ignorant of the devils devices. You can't fall for that same sin again and again. Or else as 1 john I believe puts it you're of the devil, and thus you go where he goes. You only get so much chances before you just end up in a reprobate status or Maybe you don't get to a reprobate status but you at least backslide and lose the r Holy Spirit and must seek salvation again

So much wisdom in there I don't even know where to begin. The holy spirit is not conditional like it was in the old testament. King David prayed to God please don't take my holy spirit away, there is nothing like that about born again believers however.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

So much wisdom in there I don't even know where to begin. The holy spirit is not conditional like it was in the old testament. King David prayed to God please don't take my holy spirit away, there is nothing like that about born again believers however.

your sarcasm is duly noted Albert Einstein and no the holy spirit/holy ghost clealry has a condition. IN the OT the holy spirit led them... in the NT it's in them... that's the only difference lol. It's why HOly is even in the name of holy spirit/holy ghost. YOu have to be holy in order to keep it as shown here.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20King James Version (KJV)
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

And we see what happens if it's not in a holy vessel here


1 Corinthians 3:17

“If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”

King James Version (KJV)




Acts 5King James Version (KJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.


And before I go any further... when you say not conditional.. are you suggesting that God in the NT under your theology doesn't care about holiness and being clean if so that's not true.

2 Corinthians 6:17King James Version (KJV)
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

But this is getting so offtopic and this thread is not for doctrinal issues. So I'm not going to spend anymore time discussing that. If you want to believe the bible says get saved and act good or your salvation will be gone regardless of believing in Jesus Christ, I'm not going to try to persuade you, and I'm not on this forum to discuss doctrine. Such discussions are pointless and lead to no where.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

But this is getting so offtopic and this thread is not for doctrinal issues. So I'm not going to spend anymore time discussing that. If you want to believe the bible says get saved and act good or your salvation will be gone regardless of believing in Jesus Christ, I'm not going to try to persuade you, and I'm not on this forum to discuss doctrine. Such discussions are pointless and lead to no where.

Well you didn't have to respond to my reply. I mean you could have realized the discussion would be off topic and not respond tbh. If you believe walking in your sin all day is ok suit yourself, but can't say I didn't inform you of the importance of being clean. I mean that encounter you had...could be a sign of a demonic influence on your life. You don't have to bury your sin 3 days..and pick it back up. YOu can grow if you seek help from a good church.


Also your changing my own words. I'm saying this "the bible says get saved and act good on your salvation "faith without works is dead" which is through JESUS christ.

I never said you can be saved outside of jesus the bible even says this.

Acts 4:12King James Version (KJV)
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Jesus' Girl]

possibly a warning to stop the music you are listening to or a curse on the music itself. I have heard it happens. If you know the artist, please state

 

[Jesus' Girl]

There would be a reason why God allowed you to experience that. I definitely know what it's like to be told it's a hallucination. When I was a small child I was heading off to sleep when an evil voice told me "you're going to hell". It was as real as someone standing next to me but not of this world.

 

[Alithis]

As a person who has paranoid schizophrenia and while under intense bouts of psychosis heard auditorial hallucinations that would leave the strongest men in this forum horrified, I'm fairly confident it was just that.

The things I used to hear were so clear and so real sounding that I wasn't able to tell reality from fiction.

So many people are quick to say demons, but the human brain is so vastly intelligent that it can create all sorts of situations. Think of dreams, how complex they are, than imagine that complexity coming out in hallucinations.

Could it be demonic? It could. But don't rule out it not being a hallucination because of how intense it sounded. I'm talking from grade A first hand experience here when I say they can be incredibly realistic.

by such reasoning the apostle paul had an hallucination on the road to damascus..
..nope..he has an encounter with God who is spirit..

its (in the op) demonic.

 

[EdyChristian28]

Not everything that occurs to a person that cannot be explained as common is a schizophrienic episode.

People have real demonic encounters. The last thing they need is not being able to mention it due to being labeled clinicly insane and their rights taken away and forced to take medications that will make their situation worse.

If doctors and psychs knew their meds and education AND intent to HELP so well they wouldn't prescribe medication that ends up causing physical injury and have a known reputation for creating suicidal tendencies or aggression. BUT THEY DO. So

Yeah if you believe in the bible or almost any religion. They all accept the concept of a demon. Due it being a real phenomenon, that is the basis of most folklore.

 

[Angeleyes7715]

I'm also wondering what kind of music you're listening to. If it's worldly music I wouldn't be surprised if the artist put a curse in the song or reversed lyrics or something.

Or maybe if the music was filled with spiritual wickedness God was trying to to reveal to you what you were really listening to.

Example, I use to really like Avril Lavigne and then I started having nightmares related to her and her music dealing with witchcraft. Everytime I would try to start listening to the again i'd dream about witchcraft. Not sure if it really meant that but I took it as a sign I shouldn't listen to her. Same with movies and things...

I used to like dragon Ball z and anime until I started catching things that wouldn't sit right with me. Demon characters, sorcery, naming of character satan and things like that.

Watched movie Hulk and I had terrifying dreams that I was filled with rage and beating people with my fists.

Things we watch and listen to can have spirits attached and affect our spirit.
If it's the music you're listening to you have to be careful.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

I'm also wondering what kind of music you're listening to. If it's worldly music I wouldn't be surprised if the artist put a curse in the song or reversed lyrics or something.

Or maybe if the music was filled with spiritual wickedness God was trying to to reveal to you what you were really listening to.

Example, I use to really like Avril Lavigne and then I started having nightmares related to her and her music dealing with witchcraft. Everytime I would try to start listening to the again i'd dream about witchcraft. Not sure if it really meant that but I took it as a sign I shouldn't listen to her. Same with movies and things...

I used to like dragon Ball z and anime until I started catching things that wouldn't sit right with me. Demon characters, sorcery, naming of character satan and things like that.

Watched movie Hulk and I had terrifying dreams that I was filled with rage and beating people with my fists.

Things we watch and listen to can have spirits attached and affect our spirit.
If it's the music you're listening to you have to be careful.

I appreciate the response. I generally listen to contemporary christian music, but like I said in a previous post in this thread I can't exactly remember what it was I was listening to but most likely some christian artist. I think this experience was unrelated to the music I was listening to but some kind of spiritual attack on me that my God that I have faith in to protect me, protected me from.