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What do we gain?
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So in other words, Jesus wasted his breath? That doesn't sound right.
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Turning someone who is a drain on collective resources into a net contributor to collective resources.
Not opening society up to the corollary effects that come with substance addiction and abuse.
Curing people of their addictions is MORE BENEFICIAL to society at large than either ignoring the problem, or jailing drug users.
Even if you just look at it on a purely monetary basis, treatment is vastly more cost effective than incarceration or abandoning people to their own abusive behaviours.
A 2013 study estimated that treatment vs incarceration saved about $42,000 per person, per year.
The US CDC puts the net cost of failing to treat drug addicts at 125-200 billion per year, depending on the assumptions you use about numbers of users.
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My dad died 1/12/2023. I'm still devastated.
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That wont stop their addition. As soon as they get out. They start using again.
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Because of a lack of resources.
Many become felons as a result of their convictions, which makes it nearly impossible to find a job to support yourself. People stupidly thought if you punish addicts more, it will keep them from being addicted. People don't fall into addiction in a sound state of mind.
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I agree. This reminds me of the same line of thinking that has some people responding to depression by saying things like just pick yourself up or other people are doing worse or just will yourself to be happy ignoring the fact that depression is the loss of the will to do these things. Quite frustrating.
None of these things actually address the problem people usually place their own discomfort onto others . I'm wondering why the original poster is so angry at people that are suffering.
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Because he doesn't understand addiction, he thinks its a choice, and addicts choose to stay that way, in his own words...
"Why don't addicts seek help rather than committing crimes? It seems like a conscious decision to avoid being helped. This defines them as criminals with an addiction"
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I see.. That makes sense.. I do wonder why people are not able to see that such a response does not solve anything.
On a side note.. Thank you for reading between the lines of my posts.. I am often typing fast and not editing properly when I first post. When I return to my post I'm horrified at all of the grammatical errors.. :-/
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My guess would be, its easier to condemn what you disagree with rather than take the time to understand, pretty much the same attitude when it comes to same sex marriage......a lack of empathy
Np, I'm guilty of that too
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I smoked for fifteen years, never stole to obtain cigarettes, and quit without help from anyone (although it took several attempts). That was 47 years ago.
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This source says only $20,000 per is saved. Prisons, Jails, and People Arrested for Drugs | Drug War Facts
If the saving was $42,000 it would mean the state earns money by treating them.
Further, if you are correct it means that there is more economic activity produced (jobs) by incarceration than by treatment.
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Most addicts don't seek help. They are told to get help or go back to prison. Most are still on parole while they are getting treatment. Over 30 percent fail and return to using.
Also, they are in prison for committing crimes while under the influence of drugs or obtaining drugs. Few are in for simple possession, unless the amount indicates they are dealers.
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