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Idk the best place to put this, but here I go.

What is your thoughts on Freemasonry?

I have a relative who is a Freemason and I considered joining after he told me what they do. After some exploration into their beliefs and how many Chrisrians are against it, I'm now reconsidering.

They do not show preference towards any religion and accept all as truth. I can see why this would concern Christians, but it seems that the Freemasons are trying to avoid showing favor towards any religion and respecting all equally.

I guess this is only an issue when you consider the verse "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers."

I've read that they have their own plan for salvation, but Idk how true or accurate that is.

Imo, I think one can be a Christian and a Freemason, but there are definitely things one should be careful about.

Also, just about every organization, even churches has believers mixed in with unbelievers.

At the lower levels, they seem like Christians. At the highest levels of freemasonry they are worshiping a false god they call "The Architect" who is not the God of the bible.

Great Architect of the Universe.
 
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I know little about Masonry, except there are several in my church, including my priest. Once a year all the Masons in town show up in our church on St. John The Baptist Sunday and take part in the service. I do not know the significance of that Sunday in Masonry. I've never understood why we host them, allow them to them become readers, etc., when they don't attend there. I have come to staying home on that Sunday.

The Mason's in my church are mostly old men. I have heard them complain that Masonry is dying because no one wants to join anymore. I do not know if that is true or a local phenomenon. They invited me. I declined. It all seems rather silly. I do have a masonry fireplace, though. :)
 
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I've decided against it.

The biggest problem is that the secretive part. Not only that, they literally kill if those secrets are brought to light. Any secret worth killing over isn't something in line with Christianity.

Oh, wow, they do? Do you happen to have any evidence for that outside of videos on youtube titled "RePtiLlion FreeMazon ShapeshiFteRs KiLL Ex mEmbR for Telling SecRets- 9/11 INSIDE JOB MICHAEL JACKSON STILL ALIVE PLANET DRACOY COLLIDING WITH US SOON 2017 MARTIAL LAW!!!!!" ? Or not really?
 
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I know little about Masonry, except there are several in my church, including my priest. Once a year all the Masons in town show up in our church on St. John The Baptist Sunday and take part in the service. I do not know the significance of that Sunday in Masonry. I've never understood why we host them, allow them to them become readers, etc., when they don't attend there. I have come to staying home on that Sunday.

The Mason's in my church are mostly old men. I have heard them complain that Masonry is dying because no one wants to join anymore. I do not know if that is true or a local phenomenon. They invited me. I declined. It all seems rather silly. I do have a masonry fireplace, though. :)
You can't go to heaven and have a masonry fireplace.
 
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Truth? Seen so many wonders of my Father and .. this word "Freemasonry" He never once talked about it. The WORLD other believers talking about other believers is used negatively and that has never been how my Father works when He shows me anything about anyone. For when its of GOD its for good to help encourage, points to Him always.

Please your on a site that puts/pay believers in different groups. There is only one God one faith one body one head so forth so on. Yeshua/Jesus...has become NOT enough to keep us together. You cant even talk to some parts unless you PAY. Blood of Jesus. Wanna sit in the front pew?

Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sins. Was buried and rose the 3rd day. Is the only way to the Father. Now who ever believes this.. is my family period. Every RULE we as man come out with good or bad..God will say NOTHING! We are free..you know its like our Brother Paul. Had a right to ASK for things..expect things aka supplys/money..yet asked for none. To get everything from our Father.. there is a cost.. WE have to die. Or ask expect what ever you want. Your free...

Forgive me.. didnt want to offend anyone. My faith has always been in HIM in ALL THINGS. Man never meets ANY of my needs. Is HE REAL or not? Can HE DO ALL ANYTHING or not? Is HE who HE said HE was or not? Ask, desire, what ever you ask the Father in my name.. my God supplys/meets all your? Or does man? Trust Him. Dont go by how you feel see or hear.. He REALLY REALLY REALLY is real. He wants to bless us so much at times.. yet we only rely on man..in so many areas. I am not here to please man. I dont have to answer to man. I HAVE TO WILL HAVE TO answer to a GOD.. that can be SO SCARY or.. so wonderful! I choose to keep HIS word.. what you do ..your free.

But man.. were one family..if JESUS is the only way the only one..came died rose.. they are family. I could care less if you believe dont believe in tongues healing gifts.. PRAISE GOD! You know that man aka GOD that said to come and take our place? YEAH? AWESOME! Were family.. and that family? Is more real then flesh and blood family..did you even know that? Have faith.. Jesus is coming soon.. He cant lie.. watch be ready now.. just do what HE said period and you will never miss Him
 
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Yeah I have never heard that before in my life. But where does it say that we cannot live with people of different faiths.

Jesus was always with those that did not know the truth-----He never did not point them to God. He was with them for the puroose of teaching them the truth, nit just to hang out with them.
I had a brother in law that was a Mason. He always said the same things you did--till one day he came home and said,-- no more----they were reciting the above poem and he realized they could praise every pagan God but Jesus. He never went back.
 
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Idk the best place to put this, but here I go.

What is your thoughts on Freemasonry?

I have a relative who is a Freemason and I considered joining after he told me what they do. After some exploration into their beliefs and how many Chrisrians are against it, I'm now reconsidering.

They do not show preference towards any religion and accept all as truth. I can see why this would concern Christians, but it seems that the Freemasons are trying to avoid showing favor towards any religion and respecting all equally.

I guess this is only an issue when you consider the verse "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers."

I've read that they have their own plan for salvation, but Idk how true or accurate that is.

Imo, I think one can be a Christian and a Freemason, but there are definitely things one should be careful about.

Also, just about every organization, even churches has believers mixed in with unbelievers.

“So have no fear of them, for nothing is covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27What I tell you in the dark, say in the light, and what you hear whispered, proclaim on the housetops." Matthew 10:26

Jesus was not a teacher of secrets and hierarchies and special initiation rites. He was the embodiment of truth.
 
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Jesus was always with those that did not know the truth-----He never did not point them to God. He was with them for the puroose of teaching them the truth, nit just to hang out with them.
I had a brother in law that was a Mason. He always said the same things you did--till one day he came home and said,-- no more----they were reciting the above poem and he realized they could praise every pagan God but Jesus. He never went back.
They were reciting a poem that I have never heard of, even though I was in line to be Master of my lodge in two years if I hadn't have moved.
 
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They were reciting a poem that I have never heard of, even though I was in line to be Master of my lodge in two years if I hadn't have moved.
I have found your personal experiences very insightful in contrast to some of the outrageous unconfirmed claims by others.

I wonder how many Christians are happy to belong to a sporting club where Jesus' name is regularly taken in vain? As a social club that promotes good values and charitable work, I see nothing wrong with the Freemasons.
 
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Idk the best place to put this, but here I go.

What is your thoughts on Freemasonry?

I have a relative who is a Freemason and I considered joining after he told me what they do. After some exploration into their beliefs and how many Chrisrians are against it, I'm now reconsidering.

They do not show preference towards any religion and accept all as truth. I can see why this would concern Christians, but it seems that the Freemasons are trying to avoid showing favor towards any religion and respecting all equally.

I guess this is only an issue when you consider the verse "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers."

I've read that they have their own plan for salvation, but Idk how true or accurate that is.

Imo, I think one can be a Christian and a Freemason, but there are definitely things one should be careful about.

Also, just about every organization, even churches has believers mixed in with unbelievers.


This isn't a group that any Christian should be associated with. Simply, compare their beliefs to what the Bible says, and you'll see why. The following is a comparison of what the Bible says with the "official" position of Freemasonry:

Salvation from Sin:

The Bible’s View: Jesus became the sinner’s sacrifice before God when He shed His blood and died as the propitiation (payment) for the sins of all those who would ever believe (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:8, John 3:16).

Mason’s View: The very process of joining the Lodge requires Christians to ignore the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. According to Freemasonry, a person will be saved and go to heaven as a result of his good works and personal self-improvement.

The View of the Bible:

The Bible’s View: The supernatural and plenary inspiration of the Scriptures—that they are inerrant and that their teachings and authority are absolute, supreme, and final. The Bible is the Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Thessalonians 2:13).

Mason’s View: The Bible is only one of several “Volume(s) of Sacred Law,” all of which are deemed to be equally important in Freemasonry. The Bible is an important book, only as far as those members who claim to be Christians are concerned, just as the Koran is important to Muslims. The Bible is not considered to be the exclusive Word of God, nor is it considered to be God’s sole revelation of himself to humankind; but only one of many religious sourcebooks. It is a good guide for morality. The Bible is used primarily as a symbol of God’s will, which can also be captured in other sacred texts, like the Koran or Rig Vedas.

The Doctrine of God:

The Bible’s View: There is one God. The various names of God refer to the God of Israel and reveal certain attributes of God. To worship other gods or to call upon other deities is idolatry (Exodus 20:3). Paul spoke of idolatry as a heinous sin (1 Corinthians 10:14) and John said that idolaters will perish in hell (Revelation 21:8).

Mason’s View: All members must believe in a deity. Different religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.) acknowledge the same God, only call Him different names. Freemasonry invites people of all faiths, even if they use different names for the ‘Nameless One of a hundred names,’ they are yet praying to the one God and Father of all.

The Doctrine of Jesus and the Trinity:

The Bible’s View: Jesus was God in human form (Matthew 1:18-24, John 1:1). Jesus is the second person of the trinity (Matthew 28:19, Mark 1:9-11). While on earth, He was fully human (Mark 4:38, Matthew 4:2) and fully divine (John 20:28, John 1:1-2, Acts 4:10-12). Christians should pray in Jesus’ name and proclaim Him before others, regardless of offense to non-Christians (John 14:13-14, 1 John 2:23, Acts 4:18-20).

Mason’s View: There is no exclusivity in Jesus Christ or the Triune God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; therefore there is no doctrine of the deity of Jesus Christ. It is deemed to be un-Masonic to invoke the name of Jesus when praying, or mention His name in the Lodge. Suggesting that Jesus is the only way to God contradicts the principle of tolerance. The name of Jesus has been omitted from biblical verses that are used in Masonic rituals. Jesus is on the same level as other religious leaders.

Human Nature and Sin:

The Bible’s View: All humans are born with a sinful nature, are totally depraved, and need a Savior from sin (Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, Psalm 51:5, Ephesians 2:1). The Bible denies that because of the Fall, humanity has within itself the capacity for moral perfection (1 John 1:8-10, Romans 1:18-25).

Mason’s View: Through symbols and emblems, Masons teach that man is not sinful, just “rude and imperfect by nature”. Human beings are able to improve their character and behavior in various ways, including acts of charity, moral living, and voluntary performance of civic duty. Humanity possesses the ability of moving from imperfection toward total perfection. Moral and spiritual perfection lies within men and women.

When a Christian takes the oath of Freemasonry, he is swearing to the following doctrines that God has pronounced false and sinful:

1. That salvation can be gained by man’s good works.
2. That Jesus is just one of many equally revered prophets.
3. That they will remain silent in the Lodge and not talk of Christ.
4. That they are approaching the Lodge in spiritual darkness and ignorance, when the Bible says Christians are already in the light, children of the light, and are indwelt by the Light of the World—Jesus Christ.
5. By demanding that Christians take the Masonic oath, Masonry leads Christians into blasphemy and taking the name of the Lord in vain.
6. Masonry teaches that its G.A.O.T.U. [Great Architect of the Universe], whom Masonry believes is the true God of the universe, is representative of all gods in all religions.
7. Masonry makes Christians take a universalist approach in their prayers, demanding a “generic” name be used so as not to offend non-believers who are Masonic “brothers”.
8. By swearing the Masonic oath and participating in the doctrines of the Lodge, Christians are perpetuating a false gospel to other Lodge members, who look only to Masonry’s plan of salvation to get to heaven. By their very membership in such a syncretistic type organization, they have severely compromised their witnessing as Christians.
9. By taking the Masonic obligation, the Christian is agreeing to allow the pollution of his mind, spirit, and body by those who serve false gods and believe false doctrines.

As you can see, Masonry denies and contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture, on numerous issues. Masonry also requires people to engage in activities which the Bible condemns. As a result, a Christian should not be a member of any secret society or organization that has any connection with Freemasonry.
 
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Freemasonry is not good. they will tell you you can join believing whatever you like, once you join and start climbing the ranks you would learn that they are not followers of Christ and their highest ranks are actually against Christ.
 
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Freemasonry is not good. they will tell you you can join believing whatever you like, once you join and start climbing the ranks you would learn that they are not followers of Christ and their highest ranks are actually against Christ.
Except not. I'm a Master Mason who served as Junior Warden of my lodge, am a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason and am a Past Eminent Commander in the Knights Templar, which is the pinnacle of the other major rite of Freemasonry. Yet I'm a serious enough Christian I'm in conversations with my priest about ordination.
 
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Except not. I'm a Master Mason who served as Junior Warden of my lodge, am a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason and am a Past Eminent Commander in the Knights Templar, which is the pinnacle of the other major rite of Freemasonry. Yet I'm a serious enough Christian I'm in conversations with my priest about ordination.

Ive seen videos where masons say Lucifer is light. Where they are saying Lucifer and Jesus are the same. Also I saw another video with a mason saying that Lucifer and Jesus are the same. Also you are not fully informed on what the masons mission is if you are not 33rd degree or above, youre probably being blindly lead. Only the top ranks know the absolute truth, just like any other organization.
 
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Ive seen videos where masons say Lucifer is light. Where they are saying Lucifer and Jesus are the same. Also I saw another video with a mason saying that Lucifer and Jesus are the same. Also you are not fully informed on what the masons mission is if you are not 33rd degree or above, youre probably being blindly lead. Only the top ranks know the absolute truth, just like any other organization.
Except there is nobody above the honorary rank of 33rd, which is part of a completely optional set of degrees that many masons don't even do. Also did you not see the part where I was in the leadership of my lodge? If I hadn't have to move I would be Master of my lodge right now.
 
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Except not. I'm a Master Mason who served as Junior Warden of my lodge, am a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason and am a Past Eminent Commander in the Knights Templar, which is the pinnacle of the other major rite of Freemasonry. Yet I'm a serious enough Christian I'm in conversations with my priest about ordination.

I used to be a freemason. Most everyone in the lodge was Christian, and I was never ever once taught or presented anything which could be misconstrued as anti-Christian.

People and churches who go around talking about how freemasons are anti-Christians are either mistaken, or lying. Plain and simple.

I had my own reasons for leaving, and they had nothing at all to do with belief. Many many years ago, we almost went broke. (During the recession, and our son got sick and we racked up thousands of dollars in bills for him) We were about an inch away from declaring bankruptcy, and it was only the grace of family members and some generous garage sales patrons that we did not. During that time, I had no money to pay the dues, and was dropped for non payment of dues.
When I approached the grand lodge about this, I was denied assistance. Later, I was told that I would have to pay current and back dues to be readmitted, when I again appealed for assistance in paying, I was denied. SO much for "ask and ye shall receive".....

Eventually, we got back on our feet, paid up on everything, and now we do pretty darn well. We even bought a newer, nicer house ! We make plenty of money now. I could easily afford to go back, but I no longer want to. I have let my membership remain suspended due to non-payment of dues, I have put away my apron, my Scottish rite hat, my ring, and I no longer identify myself as a member of the lodge.

But I will say that there is nothing inherently evil about the organization, nothing anti-Christian. But some people are so paranoid, and some people automatically fear that which they do not understand, and that seems to be from where much of the anti-masonic rhetoric comes.
I would recommend the order to anyone who believes in God an wants to be part of a community of charity and fellowship.
 
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As I said, I don;t need to read someone else's writings or opinions of it. I was in it and experienced it firsthand, and that is the first and foremost knowledge I have of it. And all I need at this point.

Masonry is a very wealthy fraternity, made of mostly wealthy mew who really have little time or desire for members such as myself, who, at the time, lacked the financial resources to belong.

While I could join now, I do not choose to. And it is not because of a religious stance, it is strictly because the fraternity has evolved into something very elitist and isolated, and I do not wish to be associated with such bigotry.
 
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“That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?”
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