Supersessionism and Antisemitism

[Meowzltov]

It happened throughout the OT

My post was:

You can't change a contract unless both parties agree. Where in the OT did this happen? Chapter and verses please.

You didn't answer it and you certainly didn't provide chapter and verses. All you did was huff and puff without answering.

 

[Meowzltov]

open heart,

1. The law came because of sin. Galatians 3:19. Israel got upset of having to do commandments etc.
I wouldn't equate this necessarily as the same as a covenant to bond such as David and Johnathon or Abraham with God who believed freely.
The law of Moses came because of sin and was mandatory and they had no choice.
This is why you have to separate the covenant of Moses and the law of Moses though they are both the same which I have already shown scripture to prove that. Context! Jerry kelso

I asked for where in the OT, chapter and verse, both parties agreed to amend the contract. You have not answered that.

 

[Meowzltov]

Melchizadek was a shadow and figure pointing to CHRIST

Was Melchizedek a priest? Yes or No?

 

[Meowzltov]

The Sephardic Jews apparently crossed north Africa settling in Spain, but the big mystery is where did the Ashkenazi Jews come from? Arthur Koestler, an Ashkinazi Jew, wrote a compelling book called "The Thirteenth Tribe" explaining the history of Khazar Jewry, which is now known as Askenazi Jewry which makes up 90% of world Jewry today, who were Russian steppe Turks that had an empire between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. In 900 AD the king of the Khazars was given a choice between Byzantium Christianity or Islam. Since both believed the Old Testament to be inspired by God, he chose to make his nation Jewish.

We know the whole Khazar theory is a bunch of bunk. DNA studies with the Ashkenazim show their ancestry is the middle east.

 

[Meowzltov]

This is a difficult topic to address. On the one hand we have the faithfulness of God and on the other hand the rejection of God in Jesus Christ by the Jews.

And who is responsible for the rejection of the gospel by the Jews? God. It is God who placed a veil over their eyes.

 

[Meowzltov]

So is there a genetic line of Judah still existent?

I don't think you understand that this is a tribal thing, not a DNA thing.

A "people" or "tribe" is not based on dna. It is true that the easiest way to become part of a tribe is to be born into it. But one can marry into it or be adopted into it. With Israel, there is a conversion process where one learns the culture, the history, the language, the history, the customs, and the religion, and then becomes a Jew, an Israelite, a Hebrew -- part of the tribe. It has been this way since Abraham. Ruth is perhaps our most famous adoptee -- born a Moabite, she died a Jew.

 

[Meowzltov]

Is God obligated to honor a culture based upon the Talmud and Kaballah? I don't know.

The Kabbalah is neither here nor there. It is a collection of secondary mystical writings that some Jews are inspired by, but not most.

The Talmud, if I could summarize, is the Oral Torah, kind of like the collection of case law regarding the Torah. The Bible itself gives absolute authority to the Oral Torah in Deuteronomy 17:8-13.

I think that God honors those who honor him. The Jews have everything thy need except knowledge of the Messiah, which GOD HIMSELF has deliberately chosen to withhold from them. They have their covenant, the promises, the Word, deep meaningful prayer lives, lives devoted to obedience and service to our Lord. Paul says, " Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises." Romans 9:4 This is why they are saved: Romans 11:28 "as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs."

 

[miknik5]

My post was:

You didn't answer it and you certainly didn't provide chapter and verses. All you did was huff and puff without answering.

There's no reason to huff and puff

There was a requirement to the covenant which some are not in agreement with

Therefore they have no part in the covenant

 

[miknik5]

The Kabbalah is neither here nor there. It is a collection of secondary mystical writings that some Jews are inspired by, but not most.

The Talmud, if I could summarize, is the Oral Torah, kind of like the collection of case law regarding the Torah. The Bible itself gives absolute authority to the Oral Torah in Deuteronomy 17:8-13.

I think that God honors those who honor him. The Jews have everything thy need except knowledge of the Messiah, which GOD HIMSELF has deliberately chosen to withhold from them. They have their covenant, the promises, the Word, deep meaningful prayer lives, lives devoted to obedience and service to our Lord. Paul says, " Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises." Romans 9:4 This is why they are saved: Romans 11:28 "as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs."

Deuteronomy 18 gives absolute authority to only ONE

 

[The Times]

Deuteronomy 18 gives absolute authority to only ONE

I will hold accountable whoever does not listen to My words that he speaks in My name.
(Deuteronomy 18:19)

The correct Exegesis to this passage is a condition that requires a clear indicative transition from Moses to The Prophet Jesus Christ. So that if any Israelite does not listen to Jesus the Christ will expect to be penalized severely, as the statement "I myself will require it of him".

What is required by those Israelites, when this transition happens from Moses to Jesus the Christ?

A penality from an infringement that will be delt with personally by God the Father, which implies a devastating outcome for the unbelieving Israelite.

This condition alone in having faith and obedience to the Christ/Prophet is what ties the contractual agreement from Moses who was under the old contract to Jesus who transitioned the fulfillment of the 1st contract to the new contract.

This is the conditional transitional clause from the old to the new contract that would either validate or invalidate the promises made to Abraham, because the Old cannot stand alone on its own, without the stamp of approval of the new.

This is the exist clause to any obligations made to Abraham, if the recipients when the Messiah came rejected this transition from Moses to Messiah the Prophet.

In fact the severe penalty of unbelief, as many unbelieving Jews have gone to the grave, without saying blessed is he who came in the name of the Lord is.....

Kiss his son, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him (Psalm 2:12)

Jesus would ratify the condition of salvation and union with God through the validated transition from Moses to the Messiah..

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:39)

To see the Lord or to have any union or contractual agreement with God, all Israelites are required to kiss the Son, otherwise they have absolutely no business with the God of Israel, infact their heavenly citizenship is revoked, where they are no longer Israel.

This is why those, whether they be Jews or Gentiles who call upon the Christ are those afforded privilleges within the heavenly citizenship of Israel as their contracts are validated through the SEED OF PROMISE Christ Jesus.

Those who say we are Abraham's lineage who do not kiss the Son, well their old contract is invalidated and they no longer can call themselves Israel.

The Church without a national flag or should I say the multicoloured Jospeh's coat is the many nations eho are oth Jews and gentiles who are now the true Israel of God.

God's Israel encompasses the sea shore as prophesied....in Romans 9:27.

Even those who have transitioned from old to new or even gentiles within God's Israel are not guaranteed salvation, unless they stay faithful even onto death.

 

[Meowzltov]

There's no reason to huff and puff

There was a requirement to the covenant which some are not in agreement with

Therefore they have no part in the covenant

You said the covenant was amended. Please give the chapter and verse where this amendment was agreed to by both parties.

 

[Meowzltov]

Deuteronomy 18 gives absolute authority to only ONE

What verse in Deuteronomy 18 overrules 17:8-13?

 

[The Times]

The old contract was amended and agreed to by both parties, after all Moses represented Israel and was the one who recieved the contract laid down in stone at Horeb.

Here is the request from Moses and the agreement by God to agree upon the amendment....

Moses Request:

16For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.” (Deuteronomy 18:16)

Then God affirms and agrees as the second party...

17The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. (Deuteronomy 18:17-19)

 

[Meowzltov]

I will hold accountable whoever does not listen to My words that he speaks in My name.
(Deuteronomy 18:19)

I certainly agree with this. However, I'd say that a certain exception is made when GOD HIMSELF is the one plugging up their ears. Romans 11:8 "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day." IOW the Jews themselves are not responsible for not hearing the gospel, since it is impossible for them to hear it.

 

[Meowzltov]

The old contract was amended and agreed to by both parties, after all Moses represented Israel and one who recieved the contract laid down in stone on Horeb.

Here is the request from Moses and the agreement by God to agree upon the amendment....

Moses Request:

16For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.” (Deuteronomy 18:16)

Then God affirms and agrees as the second party...

17The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. (Deuteronomy 18:17-19)

Nowhere does this say that the Mosaic covenant will end.

 

[The Times]

Nowhere does this say that the Mosaic covenant will end.

Oh come on lady, please don't play the game of ignorance, it is right before your eyes...

Moses requests from God as the 1st party and God agrees as the second party.

The reasoning is included as well and it is a cut and dry matter, sorry but you must accept this agreement between the two parties, Moses and God.

 

[Meowzltov]

The Church without a national flag or should I say the multicoloured Jospeh's coat is the many natiobs5both Jews snd gentiles who are now tge trye Israel of God.

Not only is your Supersessionism non-Biblical, but it is downright dangerous, as it is the soil from which springs Christian antisemitism.

 

[The Times]

Not only is your Supersessionism non-Biblical, but it is downright dangerous, as it is the soil from which springs Christian antisemitism.

Just accept the agreement between the two parties and be done with it and stop with the false baseless accussations. You have been beaten at your own game.

Bye bye!

 

[Meowzltov]

Oh come on lady, please don't play the gsme of ignorance, it is right before your eyes...

Moses requests from God as the 1st party and God agrees as the second party.

The reasoning is included as well and it is a cut and dry matter, sorry but you must accept this agreement between the two parties.

Yes, there is an amendment. Instead of God speaking directly to Israel, Moses will be the mouthpiece of God. Also, there is a Messianic prophecy. But NOWHERE IN THAT PASSAGE DOES IT THREATEN TO MAKE THE COVENANT NULL AND VOID.

 

[Meowzltov]

Just accept the agreement between the two parties and be done with it and stop with the false baseless accussations. You have been beaten at your own game.

Bye bye!

You have supplied NO EVIDENCE that God warned that He would abrogate the covenant. If you want to end the conversation, that's entirely up to you.