The Times
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Have you realised that in your two replied statements, that you have unwittingly dismissed two pertinent statements of belief to the Christian faith?
The first statement denies a physical bodily resurrection, that was promised by Jesus, when he said.....
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." (John 6:40)
The second statement denies salvation through the cross of Christ, according to the blood covenant.
Dismissing what Jesus promised and at the same time dismissing salvation through the Son, is denying absolute facts that God deals with man through a covenant/contract. By dismissing a contract, you dismiss not only the new but also the old and the resulting implication is, that you are percieved in trying to sell to significant others (Jews), the idea that salvation is through genealogical privileges.
Here is the gist of your distinct from Christianity religion..
This is nothing more than Judaizing, as was addressed by the Jewish Apostles of Christ....
4or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.6Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk.7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious (1 Timothy 1:4-8)
Paul addressed the heresy of the Judaizer movement and linked this practice to a heart of stone, that tried to sell the notion of Jewish salvation privilleged rights through claims to geneologically tied to being Abraham's seed. The same repugnant attitude to salvation that was claimed by the Pharisees, where Jesus blasted them and totally dismissed their claim....
7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matthew 3:7-10)
According to many Christian apologists like Martin Luther, the Judaizer movement undermined the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Even secular Jewish scholars had this profound conclusion...
Secular and philo-Semitic historian Will Durant himself declared that when people began judaizing, “the Old Testament overshadowed the New” and the teachings of Christ had to be subservient to Old Testament laws.
Will Durant, The Story of Civilization: The Reformation (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1957), 372.
What is presented by dismissing the statement of beliefs of the Christian faith, is another rehash of the Judaizers movement resulting in the heresies that the historical church and church fathers had rejected repeatedly.
Judaizer movement historically has been shown that it promotes the idea of coming at the foot of a national flag, owing to the privilleges of geanology, whikst our Christian faith preaches all to come at the foot of the cross and hence at the feet of Christ Jesus.
I can't believe that this heresy still exists and is being sold on a Christian Forum, without any moderator or owner objecting to it.
This thread should not be under General Theology.
I will speak to the moderators and ask them to politely move it to controversial theology.
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