Whats the point of praying

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This isn't a bad question all, I appreciate the honesty and would appreciate if more Christians were honest too. Anyway to answer your question, one person said it best..prayer imo is to humble us and change our attitude. We as humans, myself included sort of have huge egos we demand things to be done certain ways and on time, praying lets us know who is god and who is not. Two, as for other people praying, sometimes you yourself may not have the faith needed to have prayer answered so God will use the faith of another and intervene for you through them. So the fact God allows this is very gracious of him.

Three, Sometimes what your asking for may not be his will, my uncle was shot a while back and my aunt who was a spiritual leader prayed for him, well tried and it still didn't change the outcome because it was simply his time to go ( a lot of people don't want to here that, but we aren't going to live forever on this earth and we all have a designated time to pass from this plane onto another)

Four, Sometimes God wants you to wait...Abraham died and still didn't see his promise, what god promised him... And lastly sometimes God says no.

One good thing I heard that needs to be repeated is that God doesn't want you happy, not all the time anyway, he wants you faithful. He cares more about your faith then what magic trick he can perform that will appease you.

God cares, I've been told, but his ways are definitely are not our ways...and not everything is meant to be understood. The sooner you accept this the better. I hope I answered everything :) feel free to ask whatever else is on your mind.

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Ive been thinking about this a lot. Im not sure about praying at all. I mean I get told to pray and God will answer my prayers but if he doesn’t its Gods will…..but he’s still listening….. Or im told if I have enough faith, If I truly believe my prayers will be answered…. So Im thinking well wait… when I was in trouble and asked for Gods help …. And something bad happened …does that mean God was…well what…was it just Gods will that I just have to suffer... Or I didn’t ask hard enough or believe..…or was it that God heard but decided he wasn’t going to intervene or couldn’t intervene. So what was the point of praying because if its god will and so…well what is he going to be like…well I was going to let you suffer but since you asked for help then fine…I will.


And then I get angry when people say they will pray for me or I hear lots will pray for me …and I get frustrated because its like…well what are you all telling me – If I ask God and he says no then..Ok he says no but then maybe if you pray for me or ask…or lots pray for me…then maybe he’ll change his mind and be like..Ok well when Zoii asked I wasn’t going to but since all u lot asked….. Why does lots praying make a difference – If its gods will then not even one person asking will change it so why would two or three etc.

I know this sounds maybe disrespectful but im not meaning to be….

Zoii,

Maybe it's frustrating because the point of praying isn't for many of the typical reasons to which people resort these days. While we should pray about the difficulties we face in life, our prayers shouldn't be turned into an opportunity to rub the magic lamp and ask for three wishes, because that definitely isn't the pattern or focus we find in, say, the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 5:5-15)

For some reason, many people think prayer is a conduit by which to request health, wealth and social success in life, but that isn't the purpose of prayer.

Zoii, the main import of prayer is in thanking God daily for what He has done for us in Christ. It is also an opportunity to ask God for wisdom and strength in attaining "right living" before the face of God; in prayer, we can also affirm His will for the world and acknowledge that He offers us the gift of eternal life which He will bestow upon us when we pass from this life into the direct presence of Jesus our Lord.

Peace,
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1 John 5:13-1521st Century King James Version (KJ21)
13 These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in Him: that if we ask anything according to His will, He heareth us.

15 And if we know that He hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of Him.

Clearly if you ask in prayer against His will, He will not hear you, and the prayer request is not granted.
So if you pray and nothing happens in alignment with the request of Him, then what you desired was against His will for the situation.
Really this is telling us God remains Lord of all and does His will as He pleases in heaven and on the earth, which also agrees with other scriptures.
Jesus though still tells us we should pray often and not loose heart, Luke 18:1
SO THEN, it may be a good prayer request, however it may be God is waiting for other parts of this puzzle to be assembled before agreeing to your request. Since we can not know that, Jesus tells us to continue to pray anyway.

And we are being conformed to the image of Christ, that is a process of sanctification, so then our prayers should also be conformed to His desires also as we become more mature in our faith.

Isaiah 46
8 “Remember this, and show yourselves men; bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
9 Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is none other; I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure,’

Thanks for posting this. Key operative is "according to His Will."

The most important to remember. Which means we need to examine what we are asking for or praying about. Also noting what we do as we walk with Christ is for His Glory and not our own.

We must also consider that each one of us is at a different understanding in our walk with Christ. Some new, some mature some growing and some unfortunately stagnant. Most of us know all of the above.

How we approach fellow Christians with prayer requests is very important as well. My prayer group was in contact with Christians whose 4 yr old son was terminal with brain cancer. A short response saying "you are in my prayers" may be taken to heart in joy but also may be taken as a way to help dismiss an uncomfortable conversation. To people suffering such prayers, further dialogue and action show the love and support they truly need. We can answer a lot of prayers by being true loving Christian brothers and sisters enveloping the suffering and grieving believers and their family with action.

Also, many have prayers answered but not the way they thought should be answered. It takes a mature discernment to understand and accept this.

For example, a parent may pray their child grows up to be a godly man or woman for the Lord. That prayer may be answered by watching a son or daughter endure a rough life without worldly accolades. Yet the angels in Heaven rejoice in another soul saved for Christ Jesus.

For those struggling with prayer I highly recommend "Kingdom Triangle"
by JP Moreland. It truly changed my perspective on prayer and helped to focus on what our true mission is during our short pilgrimage on planet earth and beyond.

God Bless
 
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When I sit in church when its empty I just talk in my head. TBH I dont even know if its praying or even if Im talking to god or just running thoughts in my head. But I like the coolness and stillness of the church. I dont know that I have a relationship with god...maybe I dont which is what many of your were gently trying to point out. But I'll keep at it.

Good morning Zoli,

That sounds like an honest response and I appreciate it for what it is. God loves you and what He asks of you is that you love Him with all your heart and being as He loves you. He is seeking the same kind of relationship with you that you would have with any person that you might truly love on the earth. He wants you to depend on Him; He wants you to trust Him; He wants you to want Him.

If eternal life is with Him is what you seek, it can be had. When Jesus was asked what the greatest law was, he answered that it was to love the Lord your God with everything that is you. Your heart, soul, mind, body. But, I believe for us wicked mortals we must understand all that God has done for us before we can even begin to understand and reciprocate with that kind of love.

You mention going to the place where a fellowship meets and enjoying time there, but not necessarily because it is where you go to be with God, but because it's a place of quiet solace. Friend, my testimony is that I fairly regularly attended fellowship within the 'church' for 40 years before I was born again, so don't consider yourself some lone duck at this. My grandfather was a fire and brimstone preacher of various fellowships all of his life. From he graduation from theological college to his death. My mother was raised to always be in fellowships and that's where we always were as children and generally through my adult life, although there were periods of non-attendance. Sang in choirs most of my life; did the small groups, etc. But, I was forty years old before I came to realize that I might as well have just been a faithful member of the Lion's club for all it meant to my eternal destiny.

Along with by new birth came an entire change in my worldview. All these earthly things and successes that we struggle for in this life are just as Solomon said, 'a chasing after the wind'.

You can have what God is offering you.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted
 
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If you seek Him and Learn His Will,
and meet His requirements (repeated all thru the BIBLE, simple) ,
then you can ask in accordance with His Will, (being not opposed to Him),
and He always hears and always answers.


If I ask God and he says no then..
 
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Ive been thinking about this a lot. Im not sure about praying at all. I mean I get told to pray and God will answer my prayers but if he doesn’t its Gods will…..but he’s still listening….. Or im told if I have enough faith, If I truly believe my prayers will be answered…. So Im thinking well wait… when I was in trouble and asked for Gods help …. And something bad happened …does that mean God was…well what…was it just Gods will that I just have to suffer... Or I didn’t ask hard enough or believe..…or was it that God heard but decided he wasn’t going to intervene or couldn’t intervene. So what was the point of praying because if its god will and so…well what is he going to be like…well I was going to let you suffer but since you asked for help then fine…I will.


And then I get angry when people say they will pray for me or I hear lots will pray for me …and I get frustrated because its like…well what are you all telling me – If I ask God and he says no then..Ok he says no but then maybe if you pray for me or ask…or lots pray for me…then maybe he’ll change his mind and be like..Ok well when Zoii asked I wasn’t going to but since all u lot asked….. Why does lots praying make a difference – If its gods will then not even one person asking will change it so why would two or three etc.

I know this sounds maybe disrespectful but im not meaning to be….

Glad you asked because I've been thinking about it too and have the same questions.

One thing I can answer is why some prayers are not answered (the #1 reason IMO). Many ignore or hesitate to say this but scripture is clear that God attends to the prayer of the righteous and God is against unrighteous believers who do evil and refuse to repent/turn from their sins.

"For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil. (1 Peter 3:21, NIV)”
 
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Glad you asked because I've been thinking about it too and have the same questions.
It was a long, long time ago while reading thru the Bible that I first noticed
that there were a lot of people's prayers HE never answered.
Every time it happened / happens/
HE says why (I think).
 
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If chanting offends you then try singing a psalm, these have been sung to our Lord for thousands of years.

Maybe we should define Chanting first here. If Zoii would give us an example of a common chant, the chants that you mentioned, we can go from there so...that way there is no confusion on exactly what we are talking about

Fair enough? :).
 
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One thing I can answer is why some prayers are not answered. scripture is clear that God attends to the prayer of the righteous and God is against unrighteous believers who do evil and refuse to repent/turn from their sins.
Yea maybe your right. I dont have a very strong faith and am still thinking through things so maybe thats why I had evil things happen to me. Maybe it was a punishment.
 
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Yea maybe your right. I dont have a very strong faith and am still thinking through things so maybe thats why I had evil things happen to me. Maybe it was a punishment.
People have different opinions about this idea. But I don't believe God was punishing you. The Bible says it is Satan who wants to "steal, kill and destroy" (John 10:10). The book of Job discusses when bad things happen. At the start of the book we find that it is Satan who wants to hurt Job. God doesn't allow Satan to hurt Job but God says "“Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” For the rest of the book of Job it is Satan trying to hurt Job and God wanting to rescue him. It wasn't until the end of the book that God comes in to rescue Job. When God shows up He blesses Job. Job learned a lesson, God is not his punisher but his ally.

At the start of the story Job was very afraid of God and was worried about what God would do to his children, "Early in the morning he [Job] would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them [Job's children], thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” But at the end of the story he repents of this (Job 42:6).

God is the one we turn to in our trouble. He isn't the one to bring trouble upon us. But it is true that the prayer of a righteous person is more powerful than a person who is not (James 5:16).

If you want to be righteous, begin by confessing Jesus as Lord of your life. Commit your life to Him and receive His righteousness. Your prayers WILL be effective, believe in Him :)
 
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Before I get into what happened to me today, first, some of you won't read this because it really is too long but if not just for the lesson, you might find it mildly interesting if you give it a try. Not real confident with my ability to hold attention so, maybe maybe not interesting. Also, you've read my earlier posts, and I'm one to think that God rarely intervenes. When people/preachers go on about how God constantly speaks to them with specifics, and some go on about how they think God made this that or the other thing happen, I either think they are a shyster (mostly TV preachers on that :) )or they are good people that get a little confused and tell themselves that, because they'd like to believe it. I think thinking that makes us feel closer to God bless our hearts so, not a big deal. But none of that's to say he doesn't intervene at times, so I judge no one either way.

That said, won't go into detail on the mishap that cased me not to have a car or any way to get groceries except for what little I could order online from Walmart, and some of you know, that's not much. I had a good stock in the freezer so it just did get pretty serious as I had not been to the grocery store for 7 months. During the last 5 or 6 months, I built 2 bicycles, the first a 2 wheeler that I couldn't ride due to a fairly severe mobile handicap, I can't pedal at all also because of knee surgery in my good leg...yeah kinda messed up down there.

I added an electric hub motor, plus a gas engine, because it just wouldn't do for me to break down. I bought a bike trailer, tried the 2 wheeler, and It just didn't feel right. At 62 and with the handicap, plus the fact I fell over on it once and it's not like the old days when I could fall over on my 750 Honda because I couldn't support it well with the left leg, pop back up and move on, no problem. Falls feel different as we age as some are well aware, so back to the drawing board. I'm telling all I tried here for a reason. Ordered a three wheeler/an old man bike :) from Walmart and same thing front electric motor and gas engine and after trying everything I could to avoid that 12 mile round trip to the store, I finally got up the courage to try it today, and turns out I was afraid for good reason...main trial run and all. I had driven it to the quicky mart, 1 mile there on gas and 1 mile back on electric with zero problems, so it passed tiny test. That's to say I didn't stupidly just go, I did testing first.

I attached the camera, a couple of thermoses in handle bar holders, buckled packs to the center of the bike and to the back basket. Bungied a Bin on top of the trailer bed for extra space, and off I went. I got stuck in the sand before I even got off my dirt road, made it to the hard road and smooth sailing. At about mile 4 the battery that was supposed to give me a good 20 miles started dying. Repaired the broken chain that broke on my washboard dirt road, fired up the gas, and shortly the chain came off, repaired it, and eventually got to the store, where they let me charge it up fully as I shopped.

And did I ever shop. I filled every nook and cranny, and off I went to home. Smooth sailing for a mile or so until I hit a hill with all that weight...it really was way to heavy but I didn't want to have to do this again till spring so I had good reason to load up (lots of heavy meats). Trailer tire popped on the way pushing it up the hill, had a spare tube, repaired it and off I go. POP!...cheap Ebay tube, but I only had the one spare so I didn't even stop for the second flat...no need to lose my momentum. Another mile or so at about 4 miles from the store, the battery started dying, so back to gas.

I looked at several claims on battery range BTW, and all I can figure is ebike manufactures lie because I didn't get near the 20 to 25 miles I should unless I did something wrong in figuring mine from their info. That's just to say I did the best I could on that too , and that "best I could" is what is relevant here and why I'm adding every thing I did on this trip and to get ready for it.

Then the fun part, and I should add now I had prayed the night before to see me there and back, a quick, no frills add on to the usual stuff. 1 1/2 to 2 miles from home the chain came off and this time wrapped around in such a way as to bend the spokes badly/break some, IOW, all she wrote, it wasn't going anywhere. I had been running on a flat, had a dead battery and no way the chain would stay on the sprocket, and as you may have picked up on, I don't walk well at all, I had several hundred dollars worth of perishables on the bike, and to top it all off, the sun was getting close to setting. I was then pecking out some numbers on the phone only to get an error each time, not sure what was up with that, and heard someone yelling at me. Then a truck/suv pulled up beside him, they talked, not knowing each other but telling each other they were neighbors(weekend lake houses and such). I walked down there and they both jumped right on getting me home...no hesitation whatsoever, kinda like it was simply their responsibility, no if's and's or buts about it.

Coincidence...could be, but my point is, (aside from a probable subconscious need to get all this crap off my chest ) ) if a person truly does the best they can, tries to cover every base and something still goes wrong, maybe *that's* at least one of the times when God steps in..otherwise, he pretty well leaves it up to us. A lot like a good parent would do in trying to teach responsibility. Considering the circumstance, as leery as I am about these things, if I had to say one way or another, I would say at least, the odds are better than not, this was divine intervention. There was no wait, no muss no fuss, they were both right there as soon as I was certain I needed them....within seconds. One said he had forgotten something and he had to come back, and also said he was where he should have been at the right time...as in, there to help me.

Maybe this helps the OP and maybe not but figured since this was about prayer and when God steps in, and when not, or at leas indirectly about that, It might be an interesting point. Not that some didn't already know, but it did teach me something. This is also a lesson on how to trust God, as in, if I do my best, within reason, he may always bail us out. I might say, that hasn't happened that much though? but maybe it just wasn't needed, as we usually handle things ok ourselves, or I didn't do my best at whatever in the past.

Maybe at some point I will, but I won't get into how these breakdowns/all that happened today and having all this on video could directly work together to solve the problem that got me into some of this mess to begin with. I have to wait and see if that happens, but I will say, it's something I have been asking nearly every day of God for a few yrs now...that and maybe one other thing is all I asked for over those years, at least as far as I recall, or unless it was something like get me there and back as happened here, so I don't ask much...we shall see how it goes, and if it pans out to be all one big plan, I'll probably beat a path back here to share it. :)

Oh, and the bike is no big deal to fix, just getting it/me and the groceries home was the issue. It takes testing to know what design flaws need handling.
 
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Maybe we should define Chanting first here. If Zoii would give us an example of a common chant, the chants that you mentioned, we can go from there so...that way there is no confusion on exactly what we are talking about

Fair enough? :).
Lol we have to figure this out? Jesus has been gone 2000 years and we don't know the answer to this yet lol no wonder we're all worried about th apocalypse :clap:
 
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Yea maybe your right. I dont have a very strong faith and am still thinking through things so maybe thats why I had evil things happen to me. Maybe it was a punishment.

No.
God does not punish us for our sins; that's why Jesus died. Bad things happen in this world - it is a fallen world and sin and sickness affect even the Christian. We know God and have his forgiveness, strength, peace, love and his Holy Spirit living in us, but these are not an insurance policy against bad things happening. If God punished us by making us ill, or whatever, every time we sinned then a) we'd all be constantly ill and b) Jesus would have died for nothing.
 
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Lol we have to figure this out? Jesus has been gone 2000 years and we don't know the answer to this yet lol no wonder we're all worried about th apocalypse :clap:

A hyme could be considered chanting as in repeating the chorus over and over. Then there is what the bible really says about it over people. We may have the same idea of what it is but others may not so I thought it good to be clear before I go on about it, as with anything not clear. I did indicate someone on a public board was wrong, so lets just make sure that is actually the case if at all possible. :)
 
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Yea maybe your right. I dont have a very strong faith and am still thinking through things so maybe thats why I had evil things happen to me. Maybe it was a punishment.

Hi zoli,

I don't think of it as a 'punishment'. It's just that He doesn't attend to the cries of the unrighteous. As I have said above and as Jesus has also said, love for God is the most important issue between any person and God. Paul writes about having a faith that can move mountains; having a knowledge of the Scriptures that is greater than anyone else's. But, to have all of that and not have love is just an act of futility. I believe he is speaking of both of the loves that Jesus tells us about in his response about love. A deep and abiding love for God and for others.

Jesus speaks to his disciples about the day of his Father's judgment and says that on that day there will be many (notice he says many) christians who will be turned away. How do we know that he's talking about christians? Simply because he says of them that they will have done great and mighty deeds in his name. No one on this earth does things in Jesus' name that does not call themselves a christian. The two go hand in hand. So, we must stop and ask ourselves. Why are many christians going to be turned away? I believe the greatest contributor to that number is that while they had great knowledge of the Scriptures and a faith that allowed them to show great miracles to others, they missed the most important aspect of the law. They didn't have that deep and abiding love for God. They may even have shown great love for others in doing the things that they did as christians, but they didn't love God.

Again, I think the building of that love for God comes from our really understanding and appreciating all that God has done for us. He created life and our home. Out of nothing, and by His will, He created all that exists in this realm. He created the first man and woman that human life, our life, might today exist. He created the heavens and the earth with great majesty and beauty and perfect purpose. The very reason that you live and enjoy a beautiful day with the sun warming your cheek, is God. The only reason that when you go into your kitchen and have food to eat to sustain your body through this life, is God. God made the earth so that we could extract the compounds necessary to build a house or a car or anything else that you might look around you and see that exists. Those flowers that bring such beauty and joy on a new warm spring day are there because of God. I believe that our appreciation and understanding - and yes, love - for God grows as we begin to look at things and their first cause.

Yes, we look at a new Ford car and think that it's in our driveway because Henry Ford conceived the assembly line production method and some foundry stamped out the body panels, etc., etc. But, none of that would have been possible without God first creating the raw materials as a part of the earth and His creating.

There's a joke about a man who looked up to God and said, "Making man isn't such a big deal. I can create a living being out of dirt. " God says to the man, "Show me." The man then bends down to scoop up a handful of dirt and God stops him and says, "Hey, get your own dirt!" Hopefully you get the point. All that God has done is a big, big deal, but even more importantly, all that man has done, somewhere back down the line begins with the fact that God created! Statues, buildings, books, computers, furniture, clothing, food, family and friends begins with 'God created'.

Then we come to the greatest example of God's love for us. Despite the fact that we're all sinners and are loath to give God credit for all that He has done and wallow in our wickedness and sin, ignoring, for the most part, that God even exists, He sent his only beloved Son to die in our place for the penalty of our sin. No greater love has any man than he lay down his life for another. Jesus showed us the greater love that God has for us and God asks us to reciprocate with a much similar love. That we turn over our life to loving Him. And His love is a good love. He will provide all that we need. He already has. He will walk with us through the valley of the shadow of death. Just as you want your spouse to love you and your spouse wants you to love them, God wants this same kind of loving relationship with you. He cares about you and He wants you to care about Him.

Jesus walked this earth and when it came time for him to take on the sin of the world, he was cruelly mocked with a crown of thorny briers pushed down upon his head. Imagine the pain that he must have endured as those soldiers laughed and pushed those thorns into his scalp and forehead. Have a friend try that on your head some day. Then he was literally scourged to within an inch of his life with a whip whose tendrils were embedded with shards of pottery and stone to inflict deep cuts and cause great pain. Then he was put on those wooden cross members and nailed through his feet and hands to hang there in the greatest agony that a person could ever endure while all the time he could have easily looked to his Father and asked Him to send a legion of angels to smite them.

When those soldiers walked towards him with their handmade crown of thorny briers, Jesus could have easily had an angel hurl them to their deaths. When the executioner was scourging his back with that whip, Jesus could have easily called down an angel to hold his arm from lashing him and thrown that man into the sea. When they tried to bind him to that cross, Jesus could have called on angels to bind them to the cross and swing their swords of justice to kill every man, woman and child in the audience and in the whole nation of Israel. But he didn't. Never once did he cry out while enduring the pain and suffering. Why? Because he knew what his purpose was: To show you the love that God has for you.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted
 
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Ive been thinking about this a lot. Im not sure about praying at all. I mean I get told to pray and God will answer my prayers but if he doesn’t its Gods will…..but he’s still listening….. Or im told if I have enough faith, If I truly believe my prayers will be answered…. So Im thinking well wait… when I was in trouble and asked for Gods help …. And something bad happened …does that mean God was…well what…was it just Gods will that I just have to suffer... Or I didn’t ask hard enough or believe..…or was it that God heard but decided he wasn’t going to intervene or couldn’t intervene. So what was the point of praying because if its god will and so…well what is he going to be like…well I was going to let you suffer but since you asked for help then fine…I will.


And then I get angry when people say they will pray for me or I hear lots will pray for me …and I get frustrated because its like…well what are you all telling me – If I ask God and he says no then..Ok he says no but then maybe if you pray for me or ask…or lots pray for me…then maybe he’ll change his mind and be like..Ok well when Zoii asked I wasn’t going to but since all u lot asked….. Why does lots praying make a difference – If its gods will then not even one person asking will change it so why would two or three etc.

I know this sounds maybe disrespectful but im not meaning to be….

Hey! The world has become a very sensual place and the love of many has waxed cold (Matthew 24:12). Prayer is supposed to be supplemented by love in action and truth but there is much indolence (laziness) and dead faith (James 2:14-26) and that dead faith isn't performing any healing, miracles, or hospitality. Prayer was intended to lead into clear communication with the Holy Spirit, which in fact, is a reality.

Many Church leaders are too interested in going to seminary, wearing a costume, and preaching a sermon in a set amount of time. I don't mean to be disrespectful but it's true. There are few who like the humility part and that's the crux of the problem. 1 Timothy 6:6-10

Romans 12:1-8 but you need a theological degree/credentials/service to lead in a Church building.

My advice is to try and find a brother or sister that lives the gospel outside of Church and have them lead you in power evangelism on the streets. They could help you walk it out with field experience. I hope this helps! :)
 
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Maybe we should define Chanting first here. If Zoii would give us an example of a common chant, the chants that you mentioned, we can go from there so...that way there is no confusion on exactly what we are talking about

Fair enough? :).
I never mentioned chanting.
 
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Ive been thinking about this a lot. Im not sure about praying at all. I mean I get told to pray and God will answer my prayers but if he doesn’t its Gods will…..but he’s still listening….. Or im told if I have enough faith, If I truly believe my prayers will be answered…. So Im thinking well wait… when I was in trouble and asked for Gods help …. And something bad happened …does that mean God was…well what…was it just Gods will that I just have to suffer... Or I didn’t ask hard enough or believe..…or was it that God heard but decided he wasn’t going to intervene or couldn’t intervene. So what was the point of praying because if its god will and so…well what is he going to be like…well I was going to let you suffer but since you asked for help then fine…I will.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
"Rejoice always!
Pray constantly.
Give thanks in everything,
for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus."


Never let anyone or even yourself cast doubt about how close you are with God. God loves each and every one of His creation and knows them better than they know themselves, even my own heart He knows better than I, for the heart is most deceptive if leaning on one's own understanding (Proverbs 3:5-6). The best thing we as Christians, young or old in spirit, can do is strive to be Christ-like.

What does it mean to suffer? For me, it means to take up my cross and follow Him.
Matthew 16:24-26

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wants to come with Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of Me will find it. What will it benefit a man if he gains the whole world yet loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life?"

If you think about the life of Jesus, it wasn't always cheerful. He suffered a great deal for our sake, so that we would not perish. However, even Jesus found joy, peace and love even in the midst of His suffering:
Luke 23:39-43

Then one of the criminals hanging there began to yell insults Him: “Aren’t You the Messiah? Save Yourself and us!”

But the other answered, rebuking him: “Don’t you even fear God, since you are undergoing the same punishment? We are punished justly, because we’re getting back what we deserve for the things we did, but this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”


And He said to him, “I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise
.”




And then I get angry when people say they will pray for me or I hear lots will pray for me …and I get frustrated because its like…well what are you all telling me – If I ask God and he says no then..Ok he says no but then maybe if you pray for me or ask…or lots pray for me…then maybe he’ll change his mind and be like..Ok well when Zoii asked I wasn’t going to but since all u lot asked….. Why does lots praying make a difference – If its gods will then not even one person asking will change it so why would two or three etc.

I know this sounds maybe disrespectful but im not meaning to be….

It's not disrespectful, but a plea for understanding. Read God's Word and ask Him to help you with wisdom, for that is a gift He gives freely to His children. Remember, God never changes as He is Perfect in every way. :angel:
 
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