Judas was saved and then lost his salvation

[ToBeLoved]

When it comes to the Word of God, Let your "yes be yes" and your "no be no" anything else is from the devil.

Ok, well we are done talking. You obviously are rude and cannot even tell me what you are talking about. That's fine. Talk to the hand.

 

[TheMissingRib]

Ok, well we are done talking. You obviously are rude and cannot even tell me what you are talking about. That's fine. Talk to the hand.

It's a simple question, requiring a simple YES or NO!

 

[miknik5]

I didn't forget anything, you assume. You avoided the scriptures which clearly point out the answer.

I also won't go into a circular discussion with you over other points you raise, as a diversion to the issue, which has also been shown to you in scriptures by LoveofTruth. I've read all the posts.

If you don't forget anything you would have remembered everything

But it appears that you cling to one portion of the scriptures yet reject the whole of the WORD

You were shown that Judas was already declared unclean, that CHRIST already knew who it was who would betray HIM which is why HE said not all are clean meaning Judas

Yet you deny this and claim that we were already shown what

That Judas was a false apostle and will not be sitting amongst the 24 elders

Neither will any other self professed "apostle"

24 seats and those places have been assigned already to 24 elders

12 of which are the heads of the tribes of Israel

That leaves 12 apostles of which Judas is not included since he went to his own place

 

[miknik5]

Furthermore Mark 3 does not clearly in ALL VERSIONS call those 12 whom HE appointed "apostles"

Do you use even one of these versions when you study the WHOLE of the WORD of GOD

Let your yes be yes and your no be no

 

[EmSw]

If you don't forget anything you would have remembered everything

But it appears that you cling to one portion of the scriptures yet reject the whole of the WORD

You were shown that Judas was already declared unclean, that CHRIST already knew who it was who would betray HIM which is why HE said not all are clean meaning Judas

Yet you deny this and claim that we were already shown what

That Judas was a false apostle and will not be sitting amongst the 24 elders

Neither will any other self professed "apostle"

24 seats and those places have been assigned already to 24 elders

12 of which are the heads of the tribes of Israel

That leaves 12 apostles of which Judas is not included since he went to his own place

Let's see; here is what I read -

Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luke 22:14
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

No where does it say Judas was a 'false' apostle. Man wants to insert words to uphold his/her doctrine. He was chosen, therefore, the elect of Jesus.

Since you say 'that leaves 12 apostles', that leaves out the self-professed apostle, Paul.

 

[miknik5]

Let's see; here is what I read -

Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luke 22:14
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

No where does it say Judas was a 'false' apostle. Man wants to insert words to uphold his/her doctrine. He was chosen, therefore, the elect of Jesus.

Since you say 'that leaves 12 apostles', that leaves out the self-professed apostle, Paul.

John 13 says much too sir I wish I knew how to cut and paste on a handheld phone but it's very tedious

Maybe you can do the legwork yourself?

Not to mention that in those named apostles it is already declared of Judas as the one who would betray HIM

 

[EmSw]

John 13 says much too sir I wish I knew how to cut and paste on a handheld phone but it's very tedious

Maybe you can do the legwork yourself?

Are you speaking of satan entering Judas? This is when Judas lost his apostleship and salvation.

You will never find anywhere that Judas was a 'false' apostle.

 

[miknik5]

Are you speaking of satan entering Judas? This is when Judas lost his apostleship and salvation.

You will never find anywhere that Judas was a 'false' apostle.

No I'm speaking of being washed.

It was a question I posed many many many pages ago


Can you wash anyone?

That temporary washing in John 13 pointed to a true washing which Judas never had a part in

 

[EmSw]

No I'm speaking of being washed.

It was a question I posed many many many pages ago

Can you wash anyone?

That temporary washing in John 13 pointed to a true washing which Judas never had a part in

This was after satan put into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus (v. 2).

It's the word which washes and cleanses man.

 

[miknik5]

This was after satan put into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus (v. 2).

It's the word which washes and cleanses man.

Judas NEVER was baptized he NEVER received the HOLY SPIRIT he was NEVER washed

Do not call clean what GOD has already from the beginning declared unclean. Judas was declared UNCLEAN

 

[miknik5]

This was after satan put into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus (v. 2).

It's the word which washes and cleanses man.

Yes it's THE WORD who washes us

And if HE doesn't wash us we have no part with HIM (John 13)

It's clearly stated in THE WORD

Judas didn't have the words of GOD...he had THE WORD

And THE WORD declared him not clean

 

[SeventyOne]

I agree with the Word of God, not your views or mans views.

Sorry, but I'm not the least bit concerned if you agree with my views or not. However, if you maintain an agreement with a works-salvation relationship with God, then there are holes in your agreement with the Word of God claim that you should work on.

 

[TheMissingRib]

Sorry, but I'm not the least bit concerned if you agree with my views or not. However, if you maintain an agreement with a works-salvation relationship with God, then there are holes in your agreement with the Word of God claim that you should work on.

I never claim or maintain an agreement with a works-salvation, and I also re-iterated that in an earlier comment, HOWEVER you wish to falsely accuse me of such. You claim it and I strongly disagree with your words, PERIOD. You can repeat yourself over and over again and claim what you think, BUT your words are NOT true, nor am I going to argue the point.

Bye

 

[TheMissingRib]

Let's see; here is what I read -

Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luke 22:14
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

No where does it say Judas was a 'false' apostle. Man wants to insert words to uphold his/her doctrine. He was chosen, therefore, the elect of Jesus.

Since you say 'that leaves 12 apostles', that leaves out the self-professed apostle, Paul.

Thank you for the scriptures and rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

 

[TheMissingRib]

If you don't forget anything you would have remembered everything

But it appears that you cling to one portion of the scriptures yet reject the whole of the WORD

You were shown that Judas was already declared unclean, that CHRIST already knew who it was who would betray HIM which is why HE said not all are clean meaning Judas

Yet you deny this and claim that we were already shown what

That Judas was a false apostle and will not be sitting amongst the 24 elders

Neither will any other self professed "apostle"

24 seats and those places have been assigned already to 24 elders

12 of which are the heads of the tribes of Israel

That leaves 12 apostles of which Judas is not included since he went to his own place

I was NOT shown anything by you, except your opinion, the scriptures do NOT lie. You twist the Word to fit INTO your man made doctrine. You also bear false witness about myself and ignore the scriptures that were presented to you in earlier posts.

I also said, I will NOT wrangle words with you OR continue to go into a circular discussion over this. You have been shown the truth in the Word of God by "LoveofTruth" and you refuse admonishment.

 

[Steve Petersen]

When it comes to the Word of God, Let your "yes be yes" and your "no be no" anything else is from the devil.

Those words are about oath taking.

 

[miknik5]

I was NOT shown anything by you, except your opinion, the scriptures do NOT lie. You twist the Word to fit INTO your man made doctrine. You also bear false witness about myself and ignore the scriptures that were presented to you in earlier posts.

I also said, I will NOT wrangle words with you OR continue to go into a circular discussion over this. You have been shown the truth in the Word of God by "LoveofTruth" and you refuse admonishment.

That's okay sir
But please don't claim that you have shown us anything.

You can announce that you have done this or you have done that but if the other party disagrees than you haven't done all that you claimed

 

[miknik5]

John 13 clearly states that JUDAS was not clean

And if you had understood if THE WORD does not wash us we have no part with HIM you would have understood what HE washes and makes clean before GOD is clean

Regardless of man's approval or disapproval

 

[miknik5]

Therefore please let me know when you can wash someone for those who have been washed know they have been washed

And that not by the hands of men

 

[miknik5]

Judas was NOT clean

And he didn't know how unclean he truly was

The man with many demons and Naaman knew they were unclean

But afterwords After they were washed oh they knew they were washed

And they glorified GOD

gehazzi on the other hand just like Judas thought he was clean but he had his eyes on the wrong treasures and because of it what was sick inside was made manifest outside