Tax

[Stillicidia]

It is Christian to expect to pay tithe and tax and for food and well being and the running of your life through faith. When no man may buy or sell, be happy, because it is the permanent removal of a false deity.

 

[Strivax]

In the Democracy of USA, we have legalized theft through income tax, and 30-35% is far too high. It should be no more than 5% in my opinion, but that is simply my opinion. The spending habits of the US government is, and has been for far too long, extremely out of control. The current US deficit of approximately 20 Trillion dollars is immoral and disgusting...

I fail to see how you can say, in one breath, tax is too high, and the deficit is too high. The deficit is the accumulated deficiency of tax revenue. Governments do not spend out of mere whim, but because of the soberly considered circumstances that pertain to their period of office. Maybe, for example, you would have preferred communism to have won the cold war? Or, perhaps, the actual outcome was a benefit for freedom that will resonate down the ages, that indebtedness now for future generations to pay off later might justly be excused?

As for the idea that income tax is theft, that is just poisonous rhetoric. If you don't like the tax regime, you can agitate for, and vote in, a more congenial government. Meanwhile, democratic convention insists you accept the settled will of the people, just as you would want your will accepted, should your preferred government be elected. But I tell you now, it is a very petty minded, parochial and selfish individual that looks only at his income tax return to determine the way he will vote.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[JoeP222w]

The deficit is the accumulated deficiency of tax revenue

Not solely. It is from excessive spending.

Governments do not spend out of mere whim

You have got to be kidding.

Or maybe, for example, you would have preferred communism to win the cold war?

Tremendous leap in logic from what I wrote to that question. Taxation within Communism is typically far worse that Democratic Republics.

Or, perhaps, the actual outcome was a benefit for freedom that will resonate down the ages, that future generations might justly be asked to contribute towards?

Future generations should never have to pay for current comforts. I don't expect any of my children or grandchildren to pay for my debts.

As for the idea that income tax is theft, that is just poisonous rhetoric.

Not really. I did not for anyone who is office now. So I don't feel obliged to give them money, especially when they grossly spend my tax money for immoral purposes.

That being said, I have always paid what is required of me by the law, though I steal feel it is legalized theft. I do submit to the authorities appointed over me, yet that does not mean that I am not allowed to think that they are completely corrupt.

I do vote for the candidates I feel will effect change, but I don't see any candidates in this coming election that I support.


I thank God that He is sovereign and not man. God is my King, not sinful man.

 

[Goodbook]

I am reading about Jesus life and ministry and at the time there were huge taxes everyone had to pay..it was crippling the israelites. They were in debt, even to the next generation, didnt have their own land it was taken over by Romans.

Jesus prayer which he taught the disciples even asks God to forgive their debts. Because they just couldnt pay it would take several lifetimes to do so.

What Jesus did was really even more...he offered HIMSELF as a living sacrfice to pay everyones debt.

 

[Goodbook]

Having worked in local govt i can tell you i saw a lot of ppl at the top wasting an awful lot of taxpayers money. Like in the billions.

Many ppl just dont know how to live within their means and are robbing Peter to pay Paul, when Paul didnt even need or ask for the money.

 

[miknik5]

I am reading about Jesus life and ministry and at the time there were huge taxes everyone had to pay..it was crippling the israelites. They were in debt, even to the next generation, didnt have their own land it was taken over by Romans.

Jesus prayer which he taught the disciples even asks God to forgive their debts. Because they just couldnt pay it would take several lifetimes to do so.

What Jesus did was really even more...he offered HIMSELF as a living sacrfice to pay everyones debt.

Debt to GOD forgive us our debt was not EVER referring to temporal monetary I O U's

 

[Goodbook]

well, then I don't know what life insurance is, or death taxes, or a mortgage (literal translation =death pledge)

We are not indebted to God because God doesn't require that sort of payback. the devil is the one that puts people in debt by promising more than people can afford.

 

[Goodbook]

well, then I don't know what life insurance is, or death taxes, or a mortgage (literal translation =death pledge)

We are not indebted to God because God doesn't require that sort of payback. the devil is the one that puts people in debt by promising more than people can afford.

 

[Goodbook]

God gives freely. If we live by faith we will never be in debt.
We owe nothing but our love and thanks.

 

[miknik5]

God gives freely. If we live by faith we will never be in debt.
We owe nothing but our love and thanks.

If we live responsibly as well. We are required to do what is required but to hold loose the things of this world understanding that all these things are temporal treasures

 

[miknik5]

Seek first HIS KINGDOM and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS


Forgive us our debts is to forgive one another from our hearts understanding that it is required of us to do so. We have no idea how much we offend one another. And for us to withhold forgiveness, having been forgiven, is not right

It's a misrepresentation of GOD's mercy and the mercy we ourselves need and depend on

Forgive us our debts has nothing to do with money

 

[expos4ever]

If tax money is generally used for the public good - as it clearly is in the USA and Canada and probably many other nations - then the Christian should indeed pay. We live in a society where we need to pool money to pay for things we all need but cannot afford ourselves - roads, airports, police, military, hospital, etc. Not to mention the clear gospel imperative to provide a social safety net.

 

[Goodbook]

Actually it does.

GOd wants us to live debt free so we can serve Him and not be bound or enslaved by anyone.


Read your bible again. There is a lot in the bible about how being in debt is NOT a good thing. And defintiely debts are to do with money, owing people. Read the parables. Jesus talks a lot about this. It has both practical and spiritual applications.

Do you think the disciples followed Jesus around and still paid mortgages? No, they sold everything they had so they could be free to follow him.

 

[rjs330]

Well I believe that a fair tax is nothing different than what God used as a basis of the tithe. Ten percent from every single working American sounds just right to me. God didn't charge the rich more than those that earned less.

And yes we should pay our taxes. The bible tells us to. So if the government demands 50% then we give 50% cause that's the law. Our constitution provides a way out of heavy taxation which is for us to vote in people who wont tax us as much. The fact is we don't do that and those of us who don't like it have to suck it up and convince others to stop voting for these clowns.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

what is actually a fair tax. Should christians have to pay tithe on top of tax? Isnt tithing a form of tax, so if someones paying tithe and tax both isnt that a fair chunk of someomes wage?

What is your tax rate in your country and what percentage are you paying? Does your govt put taxes on everything?

And do these taxes get used for the welfare of everyone or do you think its wasted or spent on luxuries?

I'd like to know. And is it christian to avoid paying tax. Or maybe you can never avoid it?

In my country, for me as employee, tax deducted by employer automatically. I only receive net salary. All sales, there is VAT. But prices always include VAT.

Tithe - just for Levites in OT? Just from crops and livestock? Today God wants 100% of us to belong to him.

 

[Blade]

Dear GoodBook. Lol.. like the name..

I am not sure you are really giving this much thought. Well when you give money at Church or some other thing.. its to your Father not man. You do not have to give it nor does He DEMAND IT! Lol.. your choice. I know there have been sayings but this is not about what I or they say.. its between YOU and your Father. You are not hear to please man.

I guess if one to look at it like that.. and if you do the you should never be giving any money to God. Your HEART has to be in it or it means nothing. You WANT to do it or you dont. If you dont then dont. And pray about it. That if its something He wants to then give you a cheerful heart. Just dont let anyone JUDGE or CONDEMN you. You are HIS.. yeah your GOD is your DADDY! He LOVES YOU!

As for taxes.. I have heard there really is no LAW to pay taxes but.. dont pay and they WILL come after you lol

 

[Vicomte13]

what is actually a fair tax. Should christians have to pay tithe on top of tax? Isnt tithing a form of tax, so if someones paying tithe and tax both isnt that a fair chunk of someomes wage?

What is your tax rate in your country and what percentage are you paying? Does your govt put taxes on everything?

And do these taxes get used for the welfare of everyone or do you think its wasted or spent on luxuries?

I'd like to know. And is it christian to avoid paying tax. Or maybe you can never avoid it?

The tithe was to the Levites, an hereditary tribe. They were to use it to live and to feed the poor, widows, orphans, etc. It was part of the covenant between YHWH and the Hebrews and their lineal, circumcised heirs, concluded at Mt. Sinai. The reward to Hebrews (and nobody else) of adherence to the whole covenant of Sinai, the "Law of Moses" was a secure farm in Israel.

You're a Christian. The covenant with God that YOU have is with Jesus. You're not part of the Sinai covenant, and you never will be. The tithe is not for you.

 

[miknik5]

The tithe was to the Levites, an hereditary tribe. They were to use it to live and to feed the poor, widows, orphans, etc. It was part of the covenant between YHWH and the Hebrews and their lineal, circumcised heirs, concluded at Mt. Sinai. The reward to Hebrews (and nobody else) of adherence to the whole covenant of Sinai, the "Law of Moses" was a secure farm in Israel.

You're a Christian. The covenant with God that YOU have is with Jesus. You're not part of the Sinai covenant, and you never will be. The tithe is not for you.

The tithe received from the levites were because they were in service to the whole house. But they had no inheritance in the things of this world

Their inheritance was in THE LORD ....not land

So those of the new covenant as a priestly people before GOD have received an inheritance in THE LORD.

But their Jewish brother is waiting for land?

 

[Tull]

Its all about the money folks,nobody will ever care anymore about you than they do your money,be it government or anybody else

 

[Strivax]

Well I believe that a fair tax is nothing different than what God used as a basis of the tithe. Ten percent from every single working American sounds just right to me. God didn't charge the rich more than those that earned less.

The thing is, 10% of someone's income when they earn $10,000 a year is a much bigger hit to their budget than 10% of someone's income when they earn $1,000,000 per year. If it costs, say, an absolute $X to feed, clothe, house and provide an individual and their family with education and health-care, that needs to be deducted from their taxable earnings. In other words, only discretionary income should be taxed, if we are really serious about fairness.

And yes we should pay our taxes. The bible tells us to. So if the government demands 50% then we give 50% cause that's the law.

Agreed.

Best wishes, Strivax.