How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

[EmSw]

Peter is not worried one bit about the elect perishing, how do you get that idea?
The idea is one of confidence of salvation as Peter says, God is not willing they perish.
So they do not perish, it is not His will.

Is there a chance they perish? If not, then Peter is spinning his wheels.

 

[Hammster]

Did Cyrus please God when he obeyed God?

No.

 

[Hammster]

This is my question as well. If one has been predestined/preordained by God to salvation, how could they ever be lost?

They can't. Hence, Peter's comment.

 

[EmSw]

I didn't. Read on.

Well if Skala's words are true, then Peter is just writing to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. He's not writing to all the elect. So this isn't for you nor me, nor anyone living today.

 

[EmSw]

Pulling random verses out doesn't mean you've actually addressed anything.

What is Truth to you? Is not only one word from Jesus the Truth?

 

[EmSw]

They can't. Hence, Peter's comment.

Again Hammster, this wasn't written to you. So God may be willing that you perish.

Or, we could take sdowney's words and it mean the false brethren.

 

[EmSw]

STILL not answering the question. But again, it's expected. I really only asked so that it might cause others to think.

How long does one have to think about 'WHOEVER'?

 

[EmSw]

I didn't. Read on.

Then whose words did you add?

 

[ToBeLoved]

And this is why I didn't explain it. Even though Skala adequately explained the reasoning, you didn't engage with what he said. Rather, you dismissed it as if he had said nothing.

.Because he changed God's Word.

Every time I see that someone has changed God's Word I ignore it. If someone does that, IMHO, I do not trust their words and have to double-check everything they say. It's too much work, hence I skip it and conversate with someone who does not do that.

I think many people do that. It's just not worth all the work

 

[sdowney717]

Honestly, those who do not believe Christ's words, will not believe Peter's word's either regarding everlasting, eternal, age enduring, never to perish life only for the sheep of Christ..as Jesus teaches in John 10, John 6, John 8, John 17, John 14, John 3,....
John is a real good study on everlasting life.

 

[ToBeLoved]

If all have faith from God, then all will saved since we are justified by faith.

No.

All are given a measure of faith.

I didn't say that all come to God by faith using the measure of faith they have been given. We can see that that does not happen because of all those that never come to God.

All have been given a measure of faith, but is that faith enough that one makes the decision that they believe in God with that faith, I don't know. Seems some do and some do not.

 

[sdowney717]

.Because he changed God's Word.

Every time I see that someone has changed God's Word I ignore it. If someone does that, IMHO, I do not trust their words and have to double-check everything they say. It's too much work, hence I skip it and conversate with someone who does not do that.

I think many people do that. It's just not worth all the work

What words in particular?
Do you ever read bible commentary? Do you find other words used to clarify the meaning? How about a sermon? Do they just read the text or do they talk about it too?

 

[Hank77]

As for Judas, him being foretold by prophecy as recorded in scripture, then yes must have been predestined.
What happened is what God had predestined to occur. Why is that so hard to believe?

Not hard to believe that the betrayal of our Lord was prophesied. Not hard to believe that Judas was chosen because he was a money hungry thief. John 12:5-6. Not hard to believe that he was given the job of treasurer in charge of the money bag.
imo....
He had an opportunity to no longer be a thief, but because he had harden his heart through sin he had no desire to change, and so he was a vessel prepared for satan to use.

 

[Hammster]

What is Truth to you? Is not only one word from Jesus the Truth?

Non sequitur. Seriously, don't you tire of that?

 

[Hammster]

Again Hammster, this wasn't written to you. So God may be willing that you perish.

Or, we could take sdowney's words and it mean the false brethren.

Okay.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What words in particular?
Do you ever read bible commentary? Do you find other words used to clarify the meaning? How about a sermon? Do they just read the text or do they talk about it too?

If I remember correctly, he added the word 'elect' into a verse about Jesus death for sin.

Like "Jesus died for the sins of the elect on the cross'.

When it is obvious that the verse says that He died for the sins of the world.

Now is the elect the world? Nope. Changes the entire meaning and context of the verse.

As far as commentaries, I love reading them. Don't take it as the gospel truth, but it has helped me find answers and look for more information.

However, a Commentary is clear that it is a commentary, not God's Word.

Big difference.

 

[Hammster]

How long does one have to think about 'WHOEVER'?

You can think about it for as long or short as you'd like. But it has nothing to do with the question I asked.

 

[Hammster]

Then whose words did you add?

Nobody's.

 

[sdowney717]

Not hard to believe that the betrayal of our Lord was prophesied. Not hard to believe that Judas was chosen because he was a money hungry thief. John 12:5-6. Not hard to believe that he was given the job of treasurer in charge of the money bag.
imo....
He had an opportunity to no longer be a thief, but because he had harden his heart through sin he had no desire to change, and so he was a vessel prepared for satan to use.

Everything he did was predestined beforehand and Judas by his evil nature and circumstances walked them out in his life as was foretold.

 

[Hammster]

.Because he changed God's Word.

Every time I see that someone has changed God's Word I ignore it. If someone does that, IMHO, I do not trust their words and have to double-check everything they say. It's too much work, hence I skip it and conversate with someone who does not do that.

I think many people do that. It's just not worth all the work

He didn't change it. He explained the context. Context is very important to correct understanding. Much like John uses the word "world" in various ways. Without context, you could easily come to the wrong conclusion about what he's saying.