How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

[Hammster]

and, having believed by the power of the Holy Spirit

So one must believe in order to be in a state of salvation. Is that a state of regeneration or justification. If it's the latter, I'd be inclined to agree. If it's the former, then I'd have to disagree.

 

[Hammster]

Now that I specifically answered your question, see post 337, I would like you to answer these simple questions that can be answered with one word.

Since becoming a child of God .....

1) Have you ever sinned?
2) Have you ever made a mistake?
3) If so did God cause you to sin?
4) If so did God cause you to make a mistake?
5) If so did God allow you to sin?
6) If so did God allow you to make a mistake?

1. Yes
2. Yes.
3. No
4. No.

 

[ToBeLoved]

He desires none of the elect to perish.

Context, context, context.

I think you need to explain why you have changed the Words of God.

You added 'of the elect'. Are you reading your own opinion into God's perfect Word?

 

[Hammster]

I think you need to explain why you have changed the Words of God.

You added 'of the elect'. Are you reading your own opinion into God's perfect Word?

I didn't change or add words. I said you need to read the verse in context.

 

[ToBeLoved]

So one must believe in order to be in a state of salvation. Is that a state of regeneration or justification. If it's the latter, I'd be inclined to agree. If it's the former, then I'd have to disagree.

I don't think you know what justification means.

Justification is when Christ declares us righteous, gives US HIS perfect righteousness. He becomes our Advocate, He stands in our place and His perfection is judged.

So regeneration, nothing like justification.

As a matter of fact, what does regeneration even mean? Let's see how you do this in one sentence. lol.

 

[Hammster]

I don't think you know what justification means.

Justification is when Christ declares us righteous, gives US HIS perfect righteousness. He becomes our Advocate, He stands in our place and His perfection is judged.

So regeneration, nothing like justification.

As a matter of fact, what does regeneration even mean? Let's see how you do this in one sentence. lol.

What makes you think I don't know what justification means?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I didn't change or add words. I said you need to read the verse in context.

Well share with us the verse in context then. Cut and paste God's Word.

Show your point and prove it. It seems you are an advocate for opinion on the forum, rather than providing scripture.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What makes you think I don't know what justification means?

Because you used regeneration and justification in the same sentence to describe what you believe are the principles that call us to be saved. As usual you offer no answer or proof of your opinion, but more questions to the other person. Seems you are not willing to STAND on your words but are so vague purposely to leave yourself an out when you are incorrect. I remember doing this in grade school.

 

[Hammster]

Well share with us the verse in context then. Cut and paste God's Word.

Show your point and prove it. It seems you are an advocate for opinion on the forum, rather than providing scripture.

Is there a reason that virtually every post addressed to me and Skala has some sort of personal attack?

 

[ToBeLoved]

What makes you think I don't know what justification means?

To me, it shows your lack of knowledge which I find in most that believe in predestination. They cannot absolve their beliefs to the Bible as they do not understand the Bible well enough to ask themselves any hard questions. smh

 

[Hammster]

Because you used regeneration and justification in the same sentence to describe what you believe are the principles that call us to be saved. As usual you offer no answer or proof of your opinion, but more questions to the other person. Seems you are not willing to STAND on your words but are so vague purposely to leave yourself an out when you are incorrect. I remember doing this in grade school.

You might want to go back and reread what I wrote. I definitely differentiated between the two.

 

[Hammster]

To me, it shows your lack of knowledge which I find in most that believe in predestination. They cannot absolve their beliefs to the Bible as they do not understand the Bible well enough to ask themselves any hard questions.
smh

I never stated nor implied that justification and regeneration were the same thing.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Is there a reason that virtually every post addressed to me and Skala has some sort of personal attack?

It is probably frustration with your lack of answers, much less direct answers. I don't think that it is very respectful on your part to throw out one liners but have no scripture to support your view. And then ask the person seeking a HONEST answer, another question.

It is very disrespectful to any honest person answering and participating in a thread. Several others have also commented on your lack of transparency, one-liners, and our insistance of asking the person you are not answering a question to prove your questionable theology false.

If the truth seems disrespectful, maybe the Lord and the Holy Spirit are convicting you.

 

[Hammster]

It is probably frustration with your lack of answers, much less direct answers. I don't think that it is very respectful on your part to throw out one liners but have no scripture to support your view. And then ask the person seeking a HONEST answer, another question.

It is very disrespectful to any honest person answering and participating in a thread. Several others have also commented on your lack of transparency, one-liners, and our insistance of asking the person you are not answering a question to prove your questionable theology false.

If the truth seems disrespectful, maybe the Lord and the Holy Spirit are convicting you.

So your insults are actually being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Gotcha.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You might want to go back and reread what I wrote. I definitely differentiated between the two.

That would definately require work on my part and since you are not giving anyone else the courtesy of answering their questions, being purposely vague, I think I'll let you show me my error, if you can.

 

[Hammster]

That would definately require work on my part and since you are not giving anyone else the courtesy of answering their questions, being purposely vague, I think I'll let you show me my error, if you can.

That statement wasn't vague. I addressed what the poster had said, but asked for clarification. "Saved" could be referring to regeneration, justification, or the process as a whole.

 

[Hammster]

That would definately require work on my part and since you are not giving anyone else the courtesy of answering their questions, being purposely vague, I think I'll let you show me my error, if you can.

And I answers his follow up questions.

 

[ToBeLoved]

So your insults are actually being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Gotcha.

Nice throwback to the other person.

In reply I would say, your lack of Biblical understanding and your lack of viewing it as important is not showing that you are being guided by the Holy Spirit. Maybe it's time to learn and listen. The Holy Spirit cannot teach those who do not bow to His knowldge.

 

[Hammster]

Nice throwback to the other person.

In reply I would say, your lack of Biblical understanding and your lack of viewing it as important is not showing that you are being guided by the Holy Spirit. Maybe it's time to learn and listen. The Holy Spirit cannot teach those who do not bow to His knowldge.

I don't have a lack of biblical understanding, so your point is moot.

Plus, this thread isn't about me.

 

[ToBeLoved]

That statement wasn't vague. I addressed what the poster had said, but asked for clarification. "Saved" could be referring to regeneration, justification, or the process as a whole.

Really? I think anyone reading this thread can see that you

1. Rarely answer anything with more than one sentence, much less God's Word
2. You choose to put questions back onto the other person, rather than try to explain the Bible that you do not seem to understand.

So I will let each participant look back on your posts and decide what is truth. Sometimes we convict ourselves with our actions, nothing needed from anyone else.