Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

[bigo1984]

Colossians 2:16

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

 

[I am Redeemed]

Yeah, the first jewish christians kept the Sabbath as well as the first christian gentiles. Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

No where you will find the that 4th commandment was abolished and is still part of the 10 Commandments Gods law.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I am just curious, please I am not trying to be condescending, I just want to ask you who are against the Shabbat. Why do you not want to keep the Sabbath? It is a blessing - I have a short testimony hopefully you all wont mind- I am a type A (by the world's standards) I like things a certain way (my way). I was easily rattled by things that others would be not bothered with. Hurried, rushed, high strung all of those things. I constantly felt overwhelmed by my life (even though I did not have that much going on in comparison to others). When I started obeying the 4th commandment, to keep the Shabbat, that sense of constantly being overwhelmed was almost gone. I now have a peace about me that I had not felt before, Don't get me wrong I still get overwhelmed at times, but I am no longer in that constant bondage. The best part is, I get to spend a whole day with God and my family, I don't have to go to work, grocery shopping, cook or clean or get on my kids to do those things. God has a prescription for everything if we would just obey Him and stop trying to do it our own way.
Just a thought, thanks for listening,
Shalom

I can't understand what it is you need to "rest" from. We are not working, we are not under the Law. We are under Grace. We obey God out of a desire to obey and not to work for anything.

Christ fulfilled the Sabbath. Christ is our rest. In Him we are rested, all the time, not just one day a week.

I can't understand how someone can claim to have faith in Christ and His Redemptive Work while at the same time claiming to need a rest. If you believe Christ is your rest then what is keeping the Sabbath for?

I posted earlier in this thread with an analogy that has been ignored but it explains further what I'm talking about if you care to read it... It's post 85

 

[Jim Langston]

I can't understand what it is you need to "rest" from. We are not working, we are not under the Law. We are under Grace. We obey God out of a desire to obey and not to work for anything.

Christ fulfilled the Sabbath. Christ is our rest. In Him we are rested, all the time, not just one day a week.

I can't understand how someone can claim to have faith in Christ and His Redemptive Work while at the same time claiming to need a rest. If you believe Christ is your rest then what is keeping the Sabbath for?

I posted earlier in this thread with an analogy that has been ignored but it explains further what I'm talking about if you care to read it... It's post 85

Not everyone rests on Jesus' laurels but follow the commandments. For didn't Jesus say:

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

So, because I believe in Jesus I follow what He says. And Jesus says to follow the will of his Father in Heaven. And His father said to keep the 7th day holy.

If I believe in exercise I go to the gym, I don't sit around all day. If I believe in vegetarianism I don't eat meat, I follow what vegetarianism means. If I believe in Jesus I do what Jesus says. How can you say you believe in Jesus if you don't follow His commandments? And isn't that how we are saved? By believing in Jesus? Even the demons believe, but they don't believe in. Read what James 2 is actually saying:

James 2
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[bigo1984]

Not everyone rests on Jesus' laurels but follow the commandments. For didn't Jesus say:

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

So, because I believe in Jesus I follow what He says. And Jesus says to follow the will of his Father in Heaven. And His father said to keep the 7th day holy.

If I believe in exercise I go to the gym, I don't sit around all day. If I believe in vegetarianism I don't eat meat, I follow what vegetarianism means. If I believe in Jesus I do what Jesus says. How can you say you believe in Jesus if you don't follow His commandments? And isn't that how we are saved? By believing in Jesus? Even the demons believe, but they don't believe in. Read what James 2 is actually saying:

James 2
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Did you not read Colossians 2:16?
If you want to keep the Sabbath that is fine, however it would be a sin to judge other christians that do not. (not saying you are) The Law was just a shadow of the things to come. The law was there to point us to Jesus.

 

[1John2:4]

I can't understand what it is you need to "rest" from. We are not working, we are not under the Law. We are under Grace. We obey God out of a desire to obey and not to work for anything.

Christ fulfilled the Sabbath. Christ is our rest. In Him we are rested, all the time, not just one day a week.

I can't understand how someone can claim to have faith in Christ and His Redemptive Work while at the same time claiming to need a rest. If you believe Christ is your rest then what is keeping the Sabbath for?

I posted earlier in this thread with an analogy that has been ignored but it explains further what I'm talking about if you care to read it... It's post 85

If you choose not to keep Gods commandments that is between you and God. Did Jesus not say we are to do and teach the law and the prophets to be great in the kingdom and if we oppose them and teach others to oppose them we will be call least in the kingdom? “ Matthew 5:17-20 I am not too sure what it means to be least in the kingdom so I will do what my Lord and Saviour commands and do and teach the Fathers commands.

 

[1John2:4]

I can't understand what it is you need to "rest" from. We are not working, we are not under the Law. We are under Grace. We obey God out of a desire to obey and not to work for anything.

Christ fulfilled the Sabbath. Christ is our rest. In Him we are rested, all the time, not just one day a week.

I can't understand how someone can claim to have faith in Christ and His Redemptive Work while at the same time claiming to need a rest. If you believe Christ is your rest then what is keeping the Sabbath for?

I posted earlier in this thread with an analogy that has been ignored but it explains further what I'm talking about if you care to read it... It's post 85

I'm sorry that was rude of me I did not answer the question you asked. I rest from the troubles of this world and take His holy day to enter into rest with Him. I rest from my regular job, cooking, cleaning, shopping I do not make others serve me like going out to eat. I found I can get up early and devoure entire books of scripture because I have nothing else I have to do. When I used to read scripture and pray in the morning I was always rushed and had the world on my mind. (Please don't think I'm saying that is a bad idea, it's a wonderful thing to read he Bible daily, but for me it was always rushed.) It is very refreshing to keep it, the lie is that it is a burdon, His commandments are not burdon some.
Shalom

 

[bigo1984]

Jesus gave us two commandments: to love the lord tht

If you choose not to keep Gods commandments that is between you and God. Did Jesus not say we are to do and teach the law and the prophets to be great in the kingdom and if we oppose them and teach others to oppose them we will be call least in the kingdom? “ Matthew 5:17-20 I am not too sure what it means to be least in the kingdom so I will do what my Lord and Saviour commands and do and teach the Fathers commands.

Jesus only gave us two commandments. And he said in them the whole law is summed up.

 

[bigo1984]

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
Acts 15:5‭, ‬7‭-‬7‭, ‬9‭-‬11 NIV
http://bible.com/111/act.15.5-11.NIV

 

[1John2:4]

Jesus gave us two commandments: to love the lord tht


Jesus only gave us two commandments. And he said in them the whole law is summed up.

Jesus is not contrary to God they are One. The two commandments he gave all the rest hang on those. The first 4 of the ten show us how to love God and the others show us how to love each other and if we still don't get it we have the rest of the commands in the Bible to explain it New Testimant and the Tenakh

 

[lancey]

Yes a very confusing and debatable topic. I done both. We are made righteous through faith in Jesus. JESUS, JESUS. Look to what Jesus said and move forward. His commandment was to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
He also said the greatest of the commands (that were already made) was Love the Lord thy God.... and love thy neighbour as thy self.
He also said we should do other things turn the other cheek etc but from what I've read, his commandment was just the one. Love one another.
My faith is in him and him alone. He said for us to be childlike in faith. Try tell a child about all the laws, rules, commissions and all the maybes and maybe nots, that poor child is gonna get all confused and go outside and play.
Tell a child to love one another. That child will go.. ok, then go outside and play
That child will love one another. He/She won't go and not do this or that, and ponder if they're correct or not. They'll simply love one another as you commanded him to.
So it's childlike faith in Jesus. In what he's done and what he said. It doesn't make sense to take some of what he said and some of the old stuff as well. New wine doesn't go in old wines in.
Have faith in following what he commanded and it will be right. God bless y'all

 

[Jim Langston]

Two things.

1. Telling someone they are wrong is not judgung someone. Doings something about it is. Telling someone it is a sin to steal is not judging someone. Not letting someone attend your church because they steal is. Look at the books in the bible telling everyone that their deeds were evil9, that is not judging. Beating Paul for preaching something they didn't believe is. So no where on these forums is anyone judging anyone with the exception of the moderators.

2. Jesus actually said to love the lord thy God with all thy heart, all thy might and all thy soul and to love thy neighbor as thyself. Respecting God's day of rest on the day God said to is loving God. Jesus said all the commandments, all 10, were based on this, which would include keeping the sabbath day holy. I do find it interesting, however, that not keeping the sabbath is not listed as one of the reasons we wouldn't get to heaven, unless it could be concidered godless.

 

[bigo1984]

Jesus is not contrary to God they are One. The two commandments he gave all the rest hang on those. The first 4 of the ten show us how to love God and the others show us how to love each other and if we still don't get it we have the rest of the commands in the Bible to explain it New Testimant and the Tenakh

I'm not saying Jesus is not God but Jesus had a new covenant God had another plan instead of striving about do's and don'ts and what we shouldn't shouldn't do let's just go out there and let's love people like Jesus did that's the whole point of it when we get caught up in following the law all the time and following rituals we turn out to be just like the Pharisees were in Jesus's day

 

[bigo1984]

If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:1‭-‬13 NIV
http://bible.com/111/1co.13.1-13.NIV

 

[1John2:4]

Yes a very confusing and debatable topic. I done both. We are made righteous through faith in Jesus. JESUS, JESUS. Look to what Jesus said and move forward. His commandment was to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
He also said the greatest of the commands (that were already made) was Love the Lord thy God.... and love thy neighbour as thy self.
He also said we should do other things turn the other cheek etc but from what I've read, his commandment was just the one. Love one another.
My faith is in him and him alone. He said for us to be childlike in faith. Try tell a child about all the laws, rules, commissions and all the maybes and maybe nots, that poor child is gonna get all confused and go outside and play.
Tell a child to love one another. That child will go.. ok, then go outside and play
That child will love one another. He/She won't go and not do this or that, and ponder if they're correct or not. They'll simply love one another as you commanded him to.
So it's childlike faith in Jesus. In what he's done and what he said. It doesn't make sense to take some of what he said and some of the old stuff as well. New wine doesn't go in old wines in.
Have faith in following what he commanded and it will be right. God bless y'all

I agree with you we are counted righteous by faith but after we are saved we continue in good works.
I am not sure about your kiddos but I have to give mine some rules and direction. I can not let them play in the street or touch things that are hot. I give them instructions to help them learn how to live, just like our Father gives us instructions on how to live. He does it because He loves us and He does not desire us to hurt ourselves. He created us He knows what will help us and what will hurt us. He wrote them down for us so we don't have to guess, I think that is a pretty loving Father.

 

[John Davidson]

I am just curious, please I am not trying to be condescending, I just want to ask you who are against the Shabbat. Why do you not want to keep the Sabbath? It is a blessing - I have a short testimony hopefully you all wont mind- I am a type A (by the world's standards) I like things a certain way (my way). I was easily rattled by things that others would be not bothered with. Hurried, rushed, high strung all of those things. I constantly felt overwhelmed by my life (even though I did not have that much going on in comparison to others). When I started obeying the 4th commandment, to keep the Shabbat, that sense of constantly being overwhelmed was almost gone. I now have a peace about me that I had not felt before, Don't get me wrong I still get overwhelmed at times, but I am no longer in that constant bondage. The best part is, I get to spend a whole day with God and my family, I don't have to go to work, grocery shopping, cook or clean or get on my kids to do those things. God has a prescription for everything if we would just obey Him and stop trying to do it our own way.
Just a thought, thanks for listening,
Shalom

It appears that the Church did not keep the Sabbath but instead kept Sunday the Lord's Day from it's inception.

Please see this article that is filled with quotes from the early church fathers: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/sabbath-or-sunday

Also, in Acts of the Apostles 15 when commands were given to the gentile converts they were not commanded to keep the Sabbath or the law of Moses.

 

[John Davidson]

Yeah, the first jewish christians kept the Sabbath as well as the first christian gentiles. Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

No where you will find the that 4th commandment was abolished and is still part of the 10 Commandments Gods law.

What makes you believe that the gentiles were keeping the Sabbath? Simply because they came to hear the word of God on that day? That doesn't mean that they were observing the 4th commandment.

 

[1John2:4]

I'm not saying Jesus is not God but Jesus had a new covenant God had another plan instead of striving about do's and don'ts and what we shouldn't shouldn't do let's just go out there and let's love people like Jesus did that's the whole point of it when we get caught up in following the law all the time and following rituals we turn out to be just like the Pharisees were in Jesus's day

I see the point you are trying to make and it is very honorable to love others as Yeshua (Jesus) loved others. Peter also confirmed that love covers a multitude of sins. I am not discounting love by keeping God's commandments and teaching others to do so. If anything my hope is that many people will come to a love of the truth. God cannot rein with sin, that is why He gave us His son to free us from sin, His word (which is also His Son) and He gave us His spirit to help keep us from sin. Sin is the enemy here not God's commandments. Yeshua said that man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the Father, so just because we are in Christ that does not give us a license to sin. Paul states " What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!" Sin is transgression against Gods law 1John 3:4. Sin is bondage trust me I was full of bondage before being saved by Jesus. His word shows me what sin is which brings me to conviction which leads to repentance Paul Writes 2 Corrnithans 7 10 "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death."

 

[bigo1984]

I agree with you we are counted righteous by faith but after we are saved we continue in good works.
I am not sure about your kiddos but I have to give mine some rules and direction. I can not let them play in the street or touch things that are hot. I give them instructions to help them learn how to live, just like our Father gives us instructions on how to live. He does it because He loves us and He does not desire us to hurt ourselves. He created us He knows what will help us and what will hurt us. He wrote them down for us so we don't have to guess, I think that is a pretty loving Father.

Hebrews 10:16
"This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day, says the LORD: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

 

[bigo1984]

I see the point you are trying to make and it is very honorable to love others as Yeshua (Jesus) loved others. Peter also confirmed that love covers a multitude of sins. I am not discounting love by keeping God's commandments and teaching others to do so. If anything my hope is that many people will come to a love of the truth. God cannot rein with sin, that is why He gave us His son to free us from sin, His word (which is also His Son) and He gave us His spirit to help keep us from sin. Sin is the enemy here not God's commandments. Yeshua said that man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the Father, so just because we are in Christ that does not give us a license to sin. Paul states " What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!" Sin is transgression against Gods law 1John 3:4. Sin is bondage trust me I was full of bondage before being saved by Jesus. His word shows me what sin is which brings me to conviction which leads to repentance Paul Writes 2 Corrnithans 7 10 "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death."

I definitely would never say we have the license to sin. I just believe when we have faith in Jesus and we're walking in a relationship with him that we wont satisfy the desires of the flesh. When we are walking in the spirit.