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Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

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Don't want to disturb your wa, but have you seen calendars where the first day of the week is Monday?

God's calendar Sunday is the 1st day of the week. The Roman is Monday.
 
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God's calendar Sunday is the 1st day of the week. The Roman is Monday.

I have read that there is one religion (a pagan one, admittedly) where God created the world on a Tuesday.
 
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Sunday was never made the Sabbath.
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This is true.

Sunday is different
to the Sabbath. Sunday is not the Sabbath.

The weekly 'Day of Rest' has indeed been changed. (Note Constantine's Edict below.) The majority of Christians disregard and ignore the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

The majority though, do keep Constantine's Edict to the letter.

Constantine’s Edict of A.D.321
In A.D. 321, the Emperor Constantine proclaimed the following Edict: (He later became known as ‘Constantine the Great,’ and ‘Saint Constantine’)
“On the ‘venerable Day of the sun’ (Sunday) let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.”
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While his Edict has similarities to the Fourth Commandment, it is different.
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Where does it say in the bible that the Sabbath day (saturday) has changed to the First day of the week (sunday)?

No one is saying the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, so far as I know.

Rather, the Mosaic customs for observing Sabbath were relaxed (Col 2:16-17; Acts 15:5-6,10-11,24; Rom 14:6) and at the same time the Christians gathered together as the whole Church to celebrate Communion on Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection. Given that scenario, it is obvious how the Sunday celebration of the Resurrection of Christ became the day above all days in the Christian calendar.

And, historically, the earliest historical writings left by the early Christians show that they gathered themselves together on Sunday. The SDAs are in a head on collision with scripture and history.

Haven't they read the book of Galatians? The Mosaic feasts and ceremonial precepts prefigured that Christ would come, and when he arrived brought them to their conclusion. The Jewish feasts and circumcision of the flesh and animal sacrifice all end at The Christ.

The Jewish feasts, which prefigured that Christ would come, end with Christ's arrival. Now that the Christ has come, we celebrate that same Christ with His resurrection day Sunday, Easter, Christmas, etc. Everything now turns to Christ. Everything now centers on Christ. Everything now is about Christ. The Old Law was a temporary foreshadowing of Christ, according to St. Paul.

Are we not CHRIST-ians?

In 1 Cor 10:16 "breaking bread" is called "communion of the body of Christ." Acts 20:7 says that Sunday was the day the christians would "gather for the breaking of bread." Paul says in 1 Cor 11:20 notes that the Lord's Supper was the very event the Christians would GATHER FOR. Also, Jesus miraculously made himself known to the believers on the road to Emmaus in the breaking of the bread (Luke 24:30-31,35)---on Sunday.

St. Paul commanded that no one was to judge you "in regard to Jewish food or drink or in respect to a Jewish festival or a Jewish new moon or a Jewish Sabbath day--things which were a mere shadow of Christ" (Col 2:16-17). St. Paul repeats this command at Romans 14, saying:

"The one who eats [foods considered not Kosher] is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the servant of another? ...One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

There was now LIBERTY on the issue. The obligatory keeping of the Jewish Sabbath as prescribed within the obsolete Mosaic Covenant was no longer binding---there was now LIBERTY on the issue.

And the early christians, no longer bound to observe the ceremonial/ritual laws of the Mosaic Contract, chose instead to focus on the Resurrection Day of Christ, which was Sunday. They did this by gathering themselves together for corporate worship on the Lord's Resurrection Day, and by celebrating the spirit of sabbath rest on that day of the week.

We can know that the Seventh Day Adventists don't keep the Law of Moses by how few people they stone to death. We know they don't actually keep the Law of Moses by how many precepts depend on Temple sacrifices and such (which they also can't keep). We know they don't perform the Law of Moses by the fact that the Levitical priesthood of Aaron is extinct. And yet they swear that the Law Covenant of Moses is the way of salvation.

The Covenant of Jesus is the way of salvation, and it's high time that the SDAs join into that Kingdom. And what about that 1844 "coming of Christ" that failed to actualize in the way the SDA leaders said it would?

For sure, it is NOT necessary to circumcise the flesh and to direct people to observe the Law Covenant of Moses, as the Council of Jerusalem decreed in the first century. Get with the program ye SDAs.

The SDAs think that they, after 1800 years of Sunday observance of Christians everywhere, have the authority to change thisapostolic custom. Sorry SDAs. Go join the synagogue. Or better, keep your Saturday, but add the Apostolic, Christian celebration of the Lord's Resurrection--Sunday.

How can any reasonable person suppose that the uniform Sunday observance of the Christians from the earliest apostolic times down to today is somehow a blasphemous error while the SDA sect arising in the 1800s has it correct? That's so unreasonable that I would have to surrender all my powers of reason and logic to swallow it. The fact that the apostolic churches gathered to observe a Sunday celebration of Christ's resurrection, in concert with various NT passages to the same effect, makes the SDA view impossible.
 
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I have been been corrected that although a Pope, Pope Sylvester, made the change of the day of worship from Saturday to sunday it was not Pope Constantine like I said. I stand corrected.
 
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The Sabbath is apart of the moral law and is binding on Israel/Christians



The Law of God
God’s law is condensed in “The Ten Commandments”, it is the Moral law (Ex. 20:1-17, Deut. 4:13, 5:1-21, 10:4). Jesus magnified the Law as we read in the “Sermon on the mount” and other places. Jesus Christ magnified the Law of God also in Matthew chapter 5, 6 and 7 and Isaiah 42:21. He taught to His followers they should obey the letter as well as the Spirit of the Law.

“So then the Law is Holy and the Commandment is Holy and righteous and good” (Rom. 7:12). As written in Gal. 2:20, “Christ lives in me” and to become “true saints” in Rev. 14:12. Our knowledge of sin comes from the Law (1 John 3:4, 22-24, 2:3-4).



The Sabbath of God
The word of God reveals that “The Seventh Day is Sabbath” (Rest) for the Eternal God (Ex. 20:10, Deut. 5:14). Sabbath should be observed from Friday sunset until Sabbath sunset.

The Sabbath is a sign between God and His faithful people. It represents “God’s rest” and it reminds us that He is the Creator. It is also the represents the millennial, the millennial year of “rest” when Jesus comes as the king of Kings (Heb. 4:1-4, Rev. 20:4-6).

Our Lord, the Apostles and the early Church have always observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16, Acts 17:2). All mankind will observe the Sabbath during Christ’s millennial Kingdom on earth (Is. 66:22-23, 58:13-14).
 
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WRONG! Constantine was emperor, true. But he was never ordained at all.
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Constantine the Great received his greatest recognition in death.

The church ultimately bestowed Sainthood upon Constantine, his feast day is celebrated on May 21.
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no longer bound to observe the ceremonial/ritual laws of the Mosaic Contract
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Weekly Cycles

HEBREW WEEK
The Hebrews had a weekly cycle of seven days. It encompassed the first day, the second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day, sixth day, the Sabbath. The sixth day was also known as the ‘Day of Preparation’ as it was a time to prepare and get ready for the Sabbath (the Day of Rest).

ROMAN WEEK
The Romans adopted a seven-day cycle which was based on the Greco-Roman gods. It was an astral cycle clearly related to astrology, and to the gods who traversed the heavens.

The Astral Week was derived from the seven deities who travelled freely throughout the cosmos. The first day, Sunday was dedicated to the sun. Monday was dedicated to the moon, Tuesday to mars, Wednesday to mercury, Thursday to jupiter, Friday to venus, Saturday to saturn.

This arrangement was cleverly implemented. It accepted the order and placement of the heavenly bodies according to the Greek philosopher Aristotle. (See diagram below.) Using Aristotle’s arrangement and reordering it by means of a ‘seven-pointed star pattern’ gave the order of the days of the week that is still practised today. (See second diagram below.) The astrologers had done their work well — the week remains unaltered to this day.

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FOLLOW ARROWS STARTING FROM SUNDAY

This arrangement was ingenious in that it gave supreme prominence to the two most notable deities. The Sun (Day 1), was the largest and by far the brightest object in the sky, so it was suitably given first place in the weekly cycle. It was followed immediately by the Moon (Day 2) which is the next most prominent, and then all the others followed. And all this was achieved by applying a simple methodical formula. The arrangement fitted together as if it was meant to be. It fitted so perfectly it must have been fore-ordained.

With both Christians and Pagans placing so much emphasis on Sunday, no wonder the day receives such recognition today as being set apart from all other days of the week.

As a day of reverence, Sunday is well established.
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No one is saying the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, so far as I know.

Rather, the Mosaic customs for observing Sabbath were relaxed (Col 2:16-17; Acts 15:5-6,10-11,24; Rom 14:6) and at the same time the Christians gathered together as the whole Church to celebrate Communion on Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection. Given that scenario, it is obvious how the Sunday celebration of the Resurrection of Christ became the day above all days in the Christian calendar.

And, historically, the earliest historical writings left by the early Christians show that they gathered themselves together on Sunday.

Haven't they read the book of Galatians? The Mosaic feasts and ceremonial precepts prefigured that Christ would come, and when he arrived brought them to their conclusion. The Jewish feasts and circumcision of the flesh and animal sacrifice all end at The Christ.

The Jewish feasts, which prefigured that Christ would come, end with Christ's arrival. Now that the Christ has come, we celebrate that same Christ with His resurrection day Sunday, Easter, Christmas, etc. Everything now turns to Christ. Everything now centers on Christ. Everything now is about Christ. The Old Law was a temporary foreshadowing of Christ, according to St. Paul.

The earliest Christians kept the Sabbath and also the 1st day of the week. I know nothing of the SDA. Yes, Yeshua FULFILLED but did not ABOLISH. Passover and Yom HaBikkurim are now Holy Week and Pascha. Shavuot is now Pentecost. We still keep the Jewish feasts but they are now a fulfillment in Yeshua.
 
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I keep the Shabbat. I keep it because the Creator of the Universe commanded me to. He showed man how to do it at creation after ceasing to do work. Genesis 2:2 Out of his wonderful grace, He gave Moses the law that directly outlined who He is, what He likes what he hates. Deuteronomy 5. He wants all of us to keep it even the stranger (gentile) Isaiah 56. He carefully stitched me together in my mother's womb, He sent His only begotten son to die for my sins now I am free to walk in righteousness. Why would I choose not to remember? What do I have to gain to turn my foot away from His Holy Day, more selfishness? What better way to spend the day He made Holy then to remember Him.
 
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I keep the Shabbat. I keep it because the Creator of the Universe commanded me to. He showed man how to do it at creation after ceasing to do work. Genesis 2:2 Out of his wonderful grace, He gave Moses the law that directly outlined who He is, what He likes what he hates. Deuteronomy 5. He wants all of us to keep it even the stranger (gentile) Isaiah 56. He carefully stitched me together in my mother's womb, He sent His only begotten son to die for my sins now I am free to walk in righteousness. Why would I choose not to remember? What do I have to gain to turn my foot away from His Holy Day, more selfishness? What better way to spend the day He made Holy then to remember Him.

No one is saying you shouldn't Keep it if you want, the danger comes from claiming it is required for salvation, required for acceptance, required for atonement.

Such was considered an anathema to the apostles, a falling away from the grace of Jesus Christ, a falling away from Salvation.
 
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No one is saying you shouldn't Keep it if you want, the danger comes from claiming it is required for salvation, required for acceptance, required for atonement.

Such was considered an anathema to the apostles, a falling away from the grace of Jesus Christ, a falling away from Salvation.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12
Shalom
 
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Matthew 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Shalom
 
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I hold 2 things,

My modern fasting is giving up my favorite things,
Any day of the week of my choosing / convenience I set aside for doing nothing, giving up my favorite things, and worshiping.

I learned that this is a proper thing from those who speak to the Holy Spirit.
I will exhort, however, God does want you to keep the Sabbath Day.
 
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Constantine the Great received his greatest recognition in death.

The church ultimately bestowed Sainthood upon Constantine, his feast day is celebrated on May 21.
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Constantine is often called the 13th Apostle in the eastern churches. On the Maronite calendar he's commemorated on May 21st also.
 
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No one is saying you shouldn't Keep it if you want, the danger comes from claiming it is required for salvation, required for acceptance, required for atonement.

Such was considered an anathema to the apostles, a falling away from the grace of Jesus Christ, a falling away from Salvation.
No one here that I know of has ever said keeping the Sabbath is required for salvation, or atonement.
While Jesus and his Disciples did keep the Sabbath.
And there are many posts here that have people claiming the Sabbath was changed to Sunday so I don't know how that arose in claiming no one has done that.
 
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Not true. The Sabbath is still the Sabbath in Eastern Orthodoxy. For Orthodox Christians, Saturday is still the Sabbath, the day on which the Church especially remembers the departed, since Christ rested in the tomb on Great and Holy Saturday.

From Online Etymology Dictionary: "Old English sabat "Saturday as a day of rest," as observed by the Jews, from Latin sabbatum, from Greek sabbaton, from Hebrew shabbath, properly "day of rest," from shabath "he rested." Spelling with -th attested from late 14c., not widespread until 16c."

So Sabbath is just the name of the 7th day of the week according to the old Jewish calendar, and as we are not under the Law, but have been freed by Grace, the NEED to observe the Sabbath day rest has been removed.
 
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I am just curious, please I am not trying to be condescending, I just want to ask you who are against the Shabbat. Why do you not want to keep the Sabbath? It is a blessing - I have a short testimony hopefully you all wont mind- I am a type A (by the world's standards) I like things a certain way (my way). I was easily rattled by things that others would be not bothered with. Hurried, rushed, high strung all of those things. I constantly felt overwhelmed by my life (even though I did not have that much going on in comparison to others). When I started obeying the 4th commandment, to keep the Shabbat, that sense of constantly being overwhelmed was almost gone. I now have a peace about me that I had not felt before, Don't get me wrong I still get overwhelmed at times, but I am no longer in that constant bondage. The best part is, I get to spend a whole day with God and my family, I don't have to go to work, grocery shopping, cook or clean or get on my kids to do those things. God has a prescription for everything if we would just obey Him and stop trying to do it our own way.
Just a thought, thanks for listening,
Shalom
 
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