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Rhamiel

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Some totally ignore what Jesus did or did not say and go with what Paul said.

we can look at the very real example that Jesus left us
He choose 12 men to be Apostles

there was Martha, Mary Magdalen, and his own Mother, along with other women mentioned in the Gospels
but Jesus did not choose them to be Apostles

Jesus choose 12 men

I do agree that some people put too much focus on St. Paul
but I also think some people ignore the actions of our Lord
 
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The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women.
Can you imagine how much convincing it would have taken to get a 1st century man to write something else? God certainly wasn't in the habit of taking away people's free will to force them to write things that were way beyond humanity's progress. I always look at this in its cultural context.
 
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http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

This is correct only if God doesn't see a man fitting or obeying the position. Read the story about Deborah and how God used her as a Judge when that was a man's position.

What Paul is talking about was a cultural issue. Women back then didn't have the education we have today, thus, they had many, many questions within the church and disrupting the service with those questions.

So, in short, if God puts it in her heart to lead because He sees no man fit for the role, He will put her there for a time.
 
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Except when he wrote that phrase in 2 Timothy, scripture was not his letters to the various churches. Man made them scripture. Please do not give us a lecture on why his letters were made scripture. I have heard them all. As far as I am concerned there are Christians out there who should be called Paulians. Some totally ignore what Jesus did or did not say and go with what Paul said.
Men have subjugated women for centuries. What Paul wrote just gave Christian men a reason to keep subjugating women. And they love it. Again he said I do not permit. Not God will not permit. Men are the ones who have decided Paul was speaking for God when he wrote that statement.
k, well, more ontopic - if you reject Paul then there's probably no reason for you to believe women can't be pastors.

So that's one way to go about it.
 
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Can you imagine how much convincing it would have taken to get a 1st century man to write something else? God certainly wasn't in the habit of taking away people's free will to force them to write things that were way beyond humanity's progress.

well I would think that many first century males would have been fine with writing something else

the Pythia in Greece (oracles at Delphi) and Vestal Virgins in Rome had both been around for well over 600 years by the time Christianity started to spread
I am not as well versed in Egyptian religion, but they also had Priestesses

yes, the very early Church was Jewish
but you can see Church very quickly had a Gentile majority

so the idea that "oh the idea of priestesses was just beyond these primitive cultures" does not line up with history
 
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You may think I am joking but I am not. I cannot watch a woman preacher without lusting after her in some way or another even if it is for only a few seconds and that is the reason I believe that women should not be on the stage in front of men preaching. A woman does not lust after men but men lust after women and you cant listen to a sermon while checking her out, it is just wrong.

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You may think I am joking but I am not. I cannot watch a woman preacher without lusting after her in some way or another even if it is for only a few seconds and that is the reason I believe that women should not be on the stage in front of men preaching.
I don't see what your lust has to do with what the preacher should or should not do.

Find a different church and take some responsibility for yourself.
 
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You may think I am joking but I am not. I cannot watch a woman preacher without lusting after her in some way or another even if it is for only a few seconds and that is the reason I believe that women should not be on the stage in front of men preaching. A woman does not lust after men but men lust after women and you cant listen to a sermon while checking her out, it is just wrong.

Example.......
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Oh boy...here we go...
a combination of like three threads tonight...
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I don't see what your lust has to do with what the preacher should or should not do.

God knows mans heart and you don't put a women in front of a crowd of men and have her walk back and forth for an hour, it may be silly but it is true.
 
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God knows mans heart and you don't put a women in front of a crowd of men and have her walk back and forth for an hour, it may be silly but it is true.
Yes, your argument sounds extremely silly. You would have someone abstain from pursuing God's calling to make your life more convenient?
 
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But true.
I fail to see how your own moral failings become hers. If a grown man can't handle looking at a fully-clothed female for an hour, he should see a specialist.

Why do you believe you are entitled to have every church cater to your personal needs and believe that she is not entitled to pursue that profession and preach? You're suggesting that half the population should forego an entire profession, when you could simply find a church with a male preacher and solve the problem like an adult.
 
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You may think I am joking but I am not. I cannot watch a woman preacher without lusting after her in some way or another even if it is for only a few seconds and that is the reason I believe that women should not be on the stage in front of men preaching. A woman does not lust after men but men lust after women and you cant listen to a sermon while checking her out, it is just wrong.

Example.......
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What makes you think women wouldn't lust after a hunk male pastor?

You're being silly.
 
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Yes, your argument sounds extremely silly. You would have someone abstain from pursuing God's calling to make your life more convenient?

The apostle Paul knew that his responsibility meant being aware of every mans conscience, and not putting stumbling blocks in the way of others. Paul was concerned about how he can help people, not about asserting his authority. The apostle Paul seems to say that the older woman should be teaching the younger woman, and the older men teaching younger men. Its not about equal rights but is about humility. Those who are greatest in the kingdom will be the least.
 
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The apostle Paul knew that his responsibility meant being aware of every mans conscience, and not putting stumbling blocks in the way of others.
Better get out there and fire all the attractive male preachers, then.
What makes you think women wouldn't lust after a hunk male pastor?
My mother used to talk about her childhood priest, Father What-A-Waste. ^_^
 
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Better get out there and fire all the attractive priests.

My mother used to talk about her childhood priest, Father What-A-Waste. ^_^

I don't follow teachers other than the ones in scripture. People who argue over authority lack understanding. Its about being the least, not the greatest.
 
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