Calvinistic view of Romans 9 refuted

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Meh, what is your problem?

God loves israel dont you read romans 10 which funnily enough follows on from romans 9.

I LOVE YHWH'S WORD and YESHUA'S SHEEP ! (and ALL ROMANS Scripture)
(and ALL Scripture)

short question:
are the calvinists that are members also baptists ?

 

[TaylorSexton]

short question:
are the calvinists that are members also baptists ?

In the most technical sense, one cannot be a Calvinist and a Baptist. Calvin was adamantly opposed to Baptist theology. But, it seems that most of the people commenting on this thread are Baptists that have a Calvinistic understanding of soteriology (i.e., the so-called and much-hated "TULIP"), myself included.

 

[Geralt]

guy never studied or understood what calvinism really is, and quotes persons he think are calvinists and then make a generalization. this is more of a propaganda for the arminian listeners really.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In the most technical sense, one cannot be a Calvinist and a Baptist. Calvin was adamantly opposed to Baptist theology. But, it seems that most of the people commenting on this thread are Baptists that have a Calvinistic understanding of soteriology (i.e., the so-called and much-hated "TULIP"), myself included.

So then, (if it's possible to state, or even to know)
which if any mix or which one if any if no mix
of the calvin / baptist/ tulip 'schools'
claims or believes they can follow
Jesus moment by moment every day TODAY ?

 

[TaylorSexton]

So then, (if it's possible to state, or even to know)
which if any mix or which one if any if no mix
of the calvin / baptist/ tulip 'schools'
claims or believes they can follow
Jesus moment by moment every day TODAY ?

All them do and can.

 

[davidcrosby]

Arminianism and Calvinism: two religions reaching up to God instead of God's love reaching down to them.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Arminianism and Calvinism: two religions reaching up to God instead of God's love reaching down to them.

How, exactly, does Calvinism do this, given its doctrinal emphasis on free grace and unconditional love?

 

[twin1954]

Arminianism and Calvinism: two religions reaching up to God instead of God's love reaching down to them.

Actually Calvinisitic beliefs start with God and work down to man and puts man in the dust at the feet of Christ begging mercy that he doesn't deserve.

Arminianism, on the other hand, starts with man and works up to God giving Him permission to save him.

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

 

[twin1954]

We must always remember to speak of God's sovereign election as electing love. Election isn't salvation, as we are so often accused of believing, but unto salvation.

God, in sovereign election, set His heart of love on us in, by and through the Son. Election is in Christ. Love is in Christ. Justification is in Christ. Adoption is in Christ. Sanctification is in Christ. All the blessings of God are in Christ and Him alone. Apart from Christ we are damned and deserve it.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Election isn't salvation, as we are so often accused of believing, but unto salvation.

Yes and amen. This is crucial to remember. Calvinists and opponents of Calvinism alike need to learn and remember this.

God, in sovereign election, set His heart of love on us in, by and through the Son. Election is in Christ. Love is in Christ. Justification is in Christ. Adoption is in Christ. Sanctification is in Christ. All the blessings of God are in Christ and Him alone. Apart from Christ we are damned and deserve it.

Good words, brother. It sounds like somebody sat under the teaching of Mr. Fortner for a while.

 

[davidcrosby]

Just as God predestined/chose anyone who genuinely believes in Him (Christ Jesus) to be of His elect Bride of Christ.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Just as God predestined/chose anyone who genuinely believes in Him (Christ Jesus) to be of His elect Bride of Christ.

Election is decided irrespective of works (Rom. 9:11).

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

Just as God predestined/chose anyone who genuinely believes in Him (Christ Jesus) to be of His elect Bride of Christ.

I'll let this be my response:

 

[davidcrosby]

Election is decided irrespective of works (Rom. 9:11).

Amen, my point being that I'm the one doing the deciding if I want to be of the Bride of Christ (the Church/His Body).
Yes, He chose me like everyone else that nun should parish. But it's up to me to except.

 

[TaylorSexton]

In response to that, i have 3 meme's:

In all fairness, classical Arminianism would probably be mistaken for Calvinism in many circles today. Sadly, what many people call Arminianism today is for all practical purposes open theism. As far as I am aware, the glaring difference between the theology of classical Arminianism (i.e., Arminius himself and, for example, the Wesleys) and Reformed theology is the notion of prevenient grace, which of course "fixes" our total depravity just enough to where we have the ability to choose or reject Christ. It has no biblical warrant whatsoever, but it appears to me that that is the primary difference.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Amen, my point being that I'm the one doing the deciding if I want to be of the Bride of Christ (the Church/His Body).

That's not at all what I am saying or what the text I quoted is saying...

 

[TaylorSexton]

Yes, He chose me like everyone else that nun should parish. But it's up to me to except.

So, what you are saying is that you are a completely morally neutral creature unaffected by the Fall, and God's grace is powerless and accomplishes nothing.

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

In all fairness, classical Arminianism would probably be mistaken for Calvinism in many circles today. Sadly, what many people call Arminianism today is for all practical purposes open theism. As far as I am aware, the glaring difference between the theology of classical Arminianism (i.e., Arminius himself and, for example, the Wesleys) and Reformed theology is the notion of prevenient grace, which of course "fixes" our total depravity just enough to where we have the ability to choose or reject Christ. It has no biblical warrant whatsoever, but it appears to me that that is the primary difference.

Not sure I agree with you, but I think I do.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Not sure I agree with you, but I think I do.

Probably not a good idea, honestly. I have been known not only to be completely wrong, but to have no blinkin' clue what I'm talking about.