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Batman hits some guys in a Dodge Challenger. They roll into a cheap tin building. Air bags probably saved 'em. We don't know if they died.
Batman's batmobile shoots a cable that flips another guy's car. Car comes down on another car. Did they die? We don't know.
Batman shoots big caliber machine guns out of the batmobile at some maniacs in a Dodge Durango that has a big M-60 in the back. He obliterates the chassis around the guy and we see an explosion. Did they die? Maybe. Maybe not. My vote is badly burned. We don't see.
Two guys in back of a U-Haul style truck. One guy has bazooka a mile long. Batman is reckless and comes off a 90 degree angle coming down on the U-Haul. Crushed. Chances of those guys living----0.000000001%. I'll cede you that one for sure. But was it just sloppy on Batman's part or was he deliberately trying to nuke them? Not sure. Hard to tell. It looked pretty deliberate, but man the timing would have to be epic. But then again, Batman is epic. So the casualties there in that entire scene that we can be dead sure imho is two guys.
Guy is in back of truck with turrets aimed at Batman. Batman is flying over him and shoots down around him. Looks like the bullets shoot by his left and right hips and tear the vehicle up. Did he die? Maybe.
Guy pulls grenade, plans on throwing it at the Dark Knight. Batman kicks another guy in front of grenade boy colliding the two. Grenade guy drops grenade. They explode. Batman's fault? Nope. When you're going to throw a grenade, THROW IT. Dilly-dally and you get turned to oatmeal! plus the dumb guy goes after the grenade grabbing it late. DUH!
Batman flips a cable back and it attaches to a crate. The crate goes flying through the air and hits a dude splattering his head against the brick wall behind him. Intentional it seems. One down there.
Jerkwad is going to kill Superman's mother, Martha. He says "I'll kill her!" holding a flame-thrower. Batman jumps and punctures a hole in a pipe appearing to have gas. He jumps and covers Martha with his flame-proof/retardant cape. The cold-blooded maniac dies from his own flame. Yeah, cry me a river!
I just don't see what the fuss is about. Look at the other movies and Christian Bale is ZOOMING in the "Tumbler" going like 95 miles per hour IN GOTHAM CITY LIMITS! Innocent people everywhere. Watch the chase scenes. Then look at how Batman gets all those ninjas killed up on the mountain monastery! The phony Ra's has a ceiling fall on him, bro! LOL Batman lets Ra's die. You say it's not killing. I say it is, especially from the rules of Batman. He always saves even the baddies, right? He could've let the Joker (Ledger) fall to his doom, but he didn't, right? And the Joker was off-the-hook evil! How about the part where Batman is in the Tumbler and deliberately drove straight into the trash truck with bad guys in it? How is that different from the new Batman ramming guys in a Challenger?
He kills Harvey Dent to save Gordon's kid. Deliberate.
In Dark Knight Rises he shoots the truck head-on with "The Bat" hovering jet. He shoots the driver next to Talia in the guts and the truck flies into a chasm. Deliberate. It kills Talia slowly and the driver immediately.
Bottom line is this "oh no! Batman kills!" is a fabrication of a wimpy touchy-feely rainbow style media that wants to create a 'scandal' that isn't there. Batman in all the movies from Tim Burton's silly edition to Nolan's cerebral genius to Snyder shoots and asks questions later a whole lot using vehicles and mayhem high-speed battle scenes. You know dang well that people get caught in the cross-fire. The irony is that the Joker's intentional mayhem is almost matched by Batman's abandon in retaliating and trying to stop him. It's like car chases in L.A. You chase a lunatic for 5 miles on a freeway and look who else gets swept up in the net.
So my thesis, and I'm standing by it, is that this Batman really doesn't do any more harm than the previous ones. It's the Frank Miller PERSONA that creates this feeling in people that he's doing more than usual, which is boloney. Most of the "real" and violent overt "killing" was in the Darkseid dreamy future vision, which isn't totally concrete or clear, and you and I have both established the fact that doesn't bother us. So I'm standing pat. Nothing new here. Just Batman kicking butt. The only guys who "might" have been killed were hardcore mobsters, assassins, bangers, and people threatening a middle-aged woman's life. Meh....Same old tune.
Batman's batmobile shoots a cable that flips another guy's car. Car comes down on another car. Did they die? We don't know.
Batman shoots big caliber machine guns out of the batmobile at some maniacs in a Dodge Durango that has a big M-60 in the back. He obliterates the chassis around the guy and we see an explosion. Did they die? Maybe. Maybe not. My vote is badly burned. We don't see.
Two guys in back of a U-Haul style truck. One guy has bazooka a mile long. Batman is reckless and comes off a 90 degree angle coming down on the U-Haul. Crushed. Chances of those guys living----0.000000001%. I'll cede you that one for sure. But was it just sloppy on Batman's part or was he deliberately trying to nuke them? Not sure. Hard to tell. It looked pretty deliberate, but man the timing would have to be epic. But then again, Batman is epic. So the casualties there in that entire scene that we can be dead sure imho is two guys.
Guy is in back of truck with turrets aimed at Batman. Batman is flying over him and shoots down around him. Looks like the bullets shoot by his left and right hips and tear the vehicle up. Did he die? Maybe.
Guy pulls grenade, plans on throwing it at the Dark Knight. Batman kicks another guy in front of grenade boy colliding the two. Grenade guy drops grenade. They explode. Batman's fault? Nope. When you're going to throw a grenade, THROW IT. Dilly-dally and you get turned to oatmeal! plus the dumb guy goes after the grenade grabbing it late. DUH!
Batman flips a cable back and it attaches to a crate. The crate goes flying through the air and hits a dude splattering his head against the brick wall behind him. Intentional it seems. One down there.
Jerkwad is going to kill Superman's mother, Martha. He says "I'll kill her!" holding a flame-thrower. Batman jumps and punctures a hole in a pipe appearing to have gas. He jumps and covers Martha with his flame-proof/retardant cape. The cold-blooded maniac dies from his own flame. Yeah, cry me a river!
I just don't see what the fuss is about. Look at the other movies and Christian Bale is ZOOMING in the "Tumbler" going like 95 miles per hour IN GOTHAM CITY LIMITS! Innocent people everywhere. Watch the chase scenes. Then look at how Batman gets all those ninjas killed up on the mountain monastery! The phony Ra's has a ceiling fall on him, bro! LOL Batman lets Ra's die. You say it's not killing. I say it is, especially from the rules of Batman. He always saves even the baddies, right? He could've let the Joker (Ledger) fall to his doom, but he didn't, right? And the Joker was off-the-hook evil! How about the part where Batman is in the Tumbler and deliberately drove straight into the trash truck with bad guys in it? How is that different from the new Batman ramming guys in a Challenger?
He kills Harvey Dent to save Gordon's kid. Deliberate.
In Dark Knight Rises he shoots the truck head-on with "The Bat" hovering jet. He shoots the driver next to Talia in the guts and the truck flies into a chasm. Deliberate. It kills Talia slowly and the driver immediately.
Bottom line is this "oh no! Batman kills!" is a fabrication of a wimpy touchy-feely rainbow style media that wants to create a 'scandal' that isn't there. Batman in all the movies from Tim Burton's silly edition to Nolan's cerebral genius to Snyder shoots and asks questions later a whole lot using vehicles and mayhem high-speed battle scenes. You know dang well that people get caught in the cross-fire. The irony is that the Joker's intentional mayhem is almost matched by Batman's abandon in retaliating and trying to stop him. It's like car chases in L.A. You chase a lunatic for 5 miles on a freeway and look who else gets swept up in the net.
So my thesis, and I'm standing by it, is that this Batman really doesn't do any more harm than the previous ones. It's the Frank Miller PERSONA that creates this feeling in people that he's doing more than usual, which is boloney. Most of the "real" and violent overt "killing" was in the Darkseid dreamy future vision, which isn't totally concrete or clear, and you and I have both established the fact that doesn't bother us. So I'm standing pat. Nothing new here. Just Batman kicking butt. The only guys who "might" have been killed were hardcore mobsters, assassins, bangers, and people threatening a middle-aged woman's life. Meh....Same old tune.
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