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[Landon Caeli]

Most likel'y.. pray. Prayer is quite potent. A good example is the vikings. They were violent disgusting heathens also, but how many churches exist in those old viking lands now? They were killing priests and nuns and taking them as slaves for a long time. Maybe Christians are impatient with God's timing when He works. We're so obsessed with our supposedly arrogant idea that God has blessed our nation, funny how faith works, in WW1.. every nation was absolutely certain God was on their side.

Should we also pray instead of supporting the criminal justice system too?

 

[PapaZoom]

Muslim culture is pretty communal. I have heard of some missionaries trying to win entire communities insteadof one or two,, because of such issues. Communal cultures are hard to witness to, because from a individualistic culture like ours.. it is difficult to understand how much they prioritize the community over self. And you just win one person, while the rest exile him/her more or less.. if they don't honor kill them for dishonoring the family through their obvious shame they brought upon them by acting on their own accord without any regard to the community they are a part of. I have heard of communal cultures working in the sense they will send someone out to a college or school somewhere else become a doctor or lawyer, only for him/her to return to do this new profession for the community. These are the sort of deep rooted ties we can't understand as americans. The wars in the ME that tear these tightly knit communities apart can create a huge vacuum that islamists try to fill with their faux brotherhood for their wars. Really, they are not a part of a brotherhood, but bodies to fill a grave for whatever sinister purpose the groups insane ideals are.

well said

 

[W2L]

Should we also pray instead of supporting the criminal justice system too?

Whats the bible say?

 

[PapaZoom]

Yes. That exactly my point. A LOT of Muslims want us dead, not just a tiny fraction.

Exactly. Those that echo the claim that most Muslims are peaceful use that as an excuse to do nothing. The teaching of the religion itself is evil. They kill for God. And they do it in a way that is designed to terrorize - as per the instructions of their prophet!

But those who prefer milk toast just wanna point to the one Muslim they know that brought them over a cake for their birthday.

 

[PapaZoom]

You need not worry about the government protecting this country. THey have far too much invested to let it be left undefended. That's a worldly concern however isn't it? Whats our mission as Christians? That's my question.

We're to love our enemies and pray for them. But it's the governments job to protect us. And they don't hold the sword for nothing. And to be clear, if put in a position where I have to defend my family from harm, I would not hesitate to kill the enemy. I would not kill another out of hate for them, but out of love for the ones I'm protecting. God takes no delight in the death of the wicked. Neither should we. But we shouldn't confuse that with pacifism. There is a time to take up swords and fight.

 

[PapaZoom]

A Church representing Jesus Christ was attacked. How would Jesus have the Christian Church respond?

The Church is not the government.

 

[PapaZoom]

Whats that like to be defeated by terrorism? Because that is the impression you give me. Terrorism beat you already.

How so? I think he's right on point.

 

[PapaZoom]

Most likel'y.. pray. Prayer is quite potent. A good example is the vikings. They were violent disgusting heathens also, but how many churches exist in those old viking lands now? They were killing priests and nuns and taking them as slaves for a long time. Maybe Christians are impatient with God's timing when He works. We're so obsessed with our supposedly arrogant idea that God has blessed our nation, funny how faith works, in WW1.. every nation was absolutely certain God was on their side.

I'm very sure God is not on the side of those that kill civilians and rape little girls (and boys).

 

[W2L]

We're to love our enemies and pray for them. But it's the governments job to protect us. And they don't hold the sword for nothing. And to be clear, if put in a position where I have to defend my family from harm, I would not hesitate to kill the enemy. I would not kill another out of hate for them, but out of love for the ones I'm protecting. God takes no delight in the death of the wicked. Neither should we. But we shouldn't confuse that with pacifism. There is a time to take up swords and fight.

I don't think bombing innocent people is the way. Some of those people have no choice in the matter. I'm sure they just want peace like you. The terrorists purposely use our war efforts against us by making us target innocent civilians. I'm just not going to support that and stain the gospel of peace with innocent blood.

 

[W2L]

Ask that Catholic priests Church why he didn't pick up a gun.

 

[PapaZoom]

And this is why we really need to pray, and to pray for God's will to be made known, not just for God to do what we think He ought to do. Here is a thought: What if the horror of ISIS is actually making many thousands of Muslims more receptive to turning away from those evil teachings toward the Holy Spirit...as long as we don't screw up His program by responding with chariots and horses instead of the sweet Good News?

It is having that effect with many Muslims. In the meantime, we have a duty to protect the lives of the innocent. If a woman is being raped, I don't get on my knees and pray for her and her attacker, I attack the attacker even if it means I'll lose my life. And to be clear, if the only way to stop the attacker is to kill him, he gets killed.

What if we simply pray when we could have used force to stop a wrong doing? And the innocent are killed. And then we pray some more? God is my judge. Killing someone who is trying to kill you is justified. It is not murder. Killing someone who is trying to harm someone else is also justified.

 

[W2L]

How so? I think he's right on point.

He's right on point? He's using the death of a pacifist Catholic priest to rally pro war efforts against his enemies. I'm not sure if that's on point or not.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Whats the bible say?

The bible says many things. But if someone suggests we just pray for Muslims to reject the evil, then why not just pray that all criminals reject evil... And stop enforcing all laws through police.

 

[PapaZoom]

Whats the bible say?

That the government doesn't bear the sword for nothing.

 

[PapaZoom]

I don't think bombing innocent people is the way. Some of those people have no choice in the matter. I'm sure they just want peace like you. The terrorists purposely use our war efforts against us by making us target innocent civilians. I'm just not going to support that and stain the gospel of peace with innocent blood.

I never said we should bomb innocent people.

 

[PapaZoom]

Ask that Catholic priests Church why he didn't pick up a gun.

He didn't have one. Had I been there I would have killed to protect. Not gladly. But out of necessity.

A nun is being raped. You gonna do nothing?

 

[PapaZoom]

He's right on point? He's using the death of a pacifist Catholic priest to rally pro war efforts against his enemies. I'm not sure if that's on point or not.

That's not an interpretation I'd go with. It's not about a Catholic priest. It's about the fact that we have one more example of Muslims killing innocent people in the name of Islam. We are at war with these scum. They want to kill us. They hate.

 

[W2L]

The bible says many things. But if someone suggests we just pray for Muslims to reject the evil, then why not just pray that all criminals reject evil... And stop enforcing all laws through police.

THe Church doesn't enforce laws, the government does. The Church isn't the USA is it?

 

[W2L]

I never said we should bomb innocent people.

No one ever says that but that's what happens in war

 

[W2L]

That the government doesn't bear the sword for nothing.

The government, not the Church. See a difference there?