Futurist Only Tribe Of Dan- Antichrist?? :scratch:

[Handmaid for Jesus]

A lot of people ask why the tribe of Dan is not listed in the Revelation passage regarding the 144,000.Could it be that this is the tribe that the Antichrist comes from?

 

[keras]

No, because the leader of the One World Govt, eventually to become the Anti-Christ, will come from Roman stock, as Daniel 9:26-27 says, or out of the sea [of the nations] as Revelation 13:1-2 says.

We can't know why the tribes of Joseph and his son Manasseh are listed in Revelation 7:5-8 and not Dan. It is something that will be revealed in due time.

 

[Straightshot]

"A lot of people why the tribe of Dan is not listed in the Revelation passage regarding the 144,000.Could it be that this is the tribe that the Antichrist comes from?"


Dan is excluded because of the tribe's behavior to bring and promote idol worship

Satan's anti-christ will arise in northwestern Mesopotamia in the Middle East [Daniel 8:9-25; Micah 5:5-6] .... the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7; 8; 11;36-45; 12:7]

This one will be a Muslim Caliph who will confederate the divides of the Muslim Middle East

 

[precepts]

"A lot of people why the tribe of Dan is not listed in the Revelation passage regarding the 144,000.Could it be that this is the tribe that the Antichrist comes from?"


Dan is excluded because of the tribe's behavior to bring and promote idol worship

Satan's anti-christ will arise in northwestern Mesopotamia in the Middle East [Daniel 8:9-25; Micah 5:5-6] .... the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7; 8; 11;36-45; 12:7]

This one will be a Muslim Caliph who will confederate the divides of the Muslim Middle East

Is that also why the tribe of Ephraim isn't listed either?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Is that also why the tribe of Ephraim isn't listed either?

Joseph is listed.But Jeroboam led Israel (Northern tribes) into idolatry and he was of the tribe of Ephraim.

 

[Straightshot]

Ephraim is included, but under the tribe of Joseph

Only Dan is left out of the 144000, but is still a valid tribe

 

[precepts]

Joseph is listed.But Jeroboam led Israel (Northern tribes) into idolatry and he was of the tribe of Ephraim.

The whole of Israel was into idolatry at one point in time, which was the reason why they went into captivity. Your claim is speculative.

Plus, Joseph and Levi were never tribes among the twelve. It is an error in the text, the result of tampering.

<Staff Edit>

Scripture must align with itself, line upon line, precept upon precept. What's not in the old, shouldn't be in the new.

 

[precepts]

Ephraim is included, but under the tribe of Joseph

Only Dan is left out of the 144000, but is still a valid tribe

<Staff Edit> Joseph is not a tribe. Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, became two of the twelve tribes. There is no tribe called Joseph, nor is there a tribe of Levi among the twelve tribes of Israel.

<Staff Edit>

 

[Hieronymus]

Well, i understand the Talmudic Jews still expect their messiah, and it's not Christ obviously.
The false messiah can be expected to fulfil certain prophecies that Yeshua didn't yet fulfil.

 

[Luke17:37]

Ephraim isn't named, but may be included through Joseph (it does say Joseph and Manasseh, although Manasseh is a son of Joseph).

Dan isn't named or implied.

I personally think it's because of the idolatry they led Israel in with the altar and golden calfs they set up. One was in Dan, and the other in Bethel in Samaria, which falls inside the tribal area of Ephraim.

1 Kings 12:28-31
28 Therefore the king asked advice, made two calves of gold, and said to the people, “It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem. Here are your gods, O Israel, which brought you up from the land of Egypt!” 29 And he set up one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan. 30 Now this thing became a sin, for the people went to worship before the one as far as Dan. 31 He made shrines on the high places, and made priests from every class of people, who were not of the sons of Levi.

Also, Dan didn't stay in the land of their allotted inheritance. Instead they traveled north and they attacked a peaceful people by surprise and set themselves up in their town (formerly called Laish, the town called Dan in the far north on the map) (1 Kings 18). They also established it in idolatry from the beginning, by taking Micah's idol and idolatrous priest from Micah's house in the land of Ephraim. The idolatry continued in the city of Dan until the golden calf idol was taken away by the Assyrians and the people were uprooted and scattered in the nations.

Wonder where they got the idea for the calf idol? (Aaron made one, too, but it was destroyed by Moses.)

This is from Egypt:

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Wonder where they got the idea for the calf idol? (Aaron made one, too, but it was destroyed by Moses.)

This is from Egypt:

The apis bull was worshiped in Egypt. This from Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apis_(deity)
In Egyptian mythology, Apis or Hapis (alternatively spelled Hapi-ankh) is a sacred bull worshipped in the Memphis region. "Apis served as an intermediary between humans and an all-powerful god (originally Ptah, later Osiris, then Atum)."[1]

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Apis was the most important of all the sacred animals in Egypt, and, as with the others, its importance increased as time went on. Greek and Roman authors have much to say about Apis, the marks by which the black bull-calf was recognized, the manner of his conception by a ray from heaven, his house at Memphis with court for disporting himself, the mode of prognostication from his actions, the mourning at his death, his costly burial, and the rejoicings throughout the country when a new Apis was found. Auguste Mariette's excavation of the Serapeum of Saqqara revealed the tombs of over sixty animals, ranging from the time of Amenhotep III to that of Ptolemy Alexander. At first, each animal was buried in a separate tomb with a chapel built above it.

 

[Straightshot]

Satan's "anti-christ" , the first beast of Revelation, is actually this entity [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18] .... Abaddon/Apollyon will inhabit the human little horn of Daniel's visions

And the human little horn will not be an Israelite .... he is this one [Micah 5:5-6]

.... he will be of today's Muslims from the line of Ishmael

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Satan's "anti-christ" , the first beast of Revelation, is actually this entity [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18] .... Abaddon/Apollyon will inhabit the human little horn of Daniel's visions

And the human little horn will not be an Israelite .... he is this one [Micah 5:5-6]

.... he will be of today's Muslims from the line of Ishmael

I think he will be Nimrod...a clone or a hybrid which Satan will possess.

 

[Straightshot]

The human component [the little horn] will not be Nimrod .... Nimrod is dead

There is no scripture that tells of Nimrod being raised from the dead

It is the beast Abaddon/Apollyon who's deadly "wounding" is healed

His "heads" are his assigned human Middle Eastern kingdoms that he rules over for Satan .... 5 have fallen [the 5th "wounded"], the 6th will be "healed" at the beginning of the tribulation period, and the next, the 7th will be a divided expansion of the 6th

It is Abaddon who will come out of the abyss .... not Nimrod

Nimrod's spirit will end up here [Revelation 20:11-15]

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

It is Abaddon who will come out of the abyss .... not Nimrod

Thing is, Nimrod has had so many names. I believe Abaddon/Apollyon, could possibly be Nimrod by another name.

 

[tatteredsoul]

A lot of people why the tribe of Dan is not listed in the Revelation passage regarding the 144,000.Could it be that this is the tribe that the Antichrist comes from?

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I am so glad someone actually started a topic on this. This is a very important issue. Joseph gets the double portion with Dan removed.

However, this topic will not be a very settling one if we divulge deeply into the issues.
Dan is considered the Serpent tribe.

 

[precepts]

Ephraim isn't named, but may be included through Joseph (it does say Joseph and Manasseh, although Manasseh is a son of Joseph).

Dan isn't named or implied.

I personally think it's because of the idolatry they led Israel in with the altar and golden calfs they set up. One was in Dan, and the other in Bethel in Samaria, which falls inside the tribal area of Ephraim.

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1 Kings 12:28-31
28 Therefore the king asked advice, made two calves of gold, and said to the people, “It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem. Here are your gods, O Israel, which brought you up from the land of Egypt!” 29 And he set up one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan. 30 Now this thing became a sin, for the people went to worship before the one as far as Dan. 31 He made shrines on the high places, and made priests from every class of people, who were not of the sons of Levi.

Also, Dan didn't stay in the land of their allotted inheritance. Instead they traveled north and they attacked a peaceful people by surprise and set themselves up in their town (formerly called Laish, the town called Dan in the far north on the map) (1 Kings 18). They also established it in idolatry from the beginning, by taking Micah's idol and idolatrous priest from Micah's house in the land of Ephraim. The idolatry continued in the city of Dan until the golden calf idol was taken away by the Assyrians and the people were uprooted and scattered in the nations.

Wonder where they got the idea for the calf idol? (Aaron made one, too, but it was destroyed by Moses.)

This is from Egypt:

<Staff Edit>

Do you think that you could take that assumption to a court of law, the reason why Dan isn't listed, and that a court would accept it? No! Why? Because it is speculation. There is no evidence for it, especially since all of Israel committed idolatry.

<Staff Edit>

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

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I am so glad someone actually started a topic on this. This is a very important issue. Joseph gets the double portion with Dan removed.

However, this topic will not be a very settling one if we divulge deeply into the issues.
Dan is considered the Serpent tribe.

Yes, the serpent by the way.
Genesis 49:
16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

 

[precepts]

!

I am so glad someone actually started a topic on this. This is a very important issue. Joseph gets the double portion with Dan removed.

However, this topic will not be a very settling one if we divulge deeply into the issues.
Dan is considered the Serpent tribe.

<Staff Edit> If it were so, Manasseh would not have been listed since Joseph represents two tribes and not just one. You can't name Manasseh and assume Joseph, which is not a name of a tribe, represents Ephraim.

And it's also interesting to note that you've totally ignored the fact Levi is not one of the 12 tribes either.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Yes, the serpent by the way.
Genesis 49:
16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

And, then we go from that

Genesis 49:
16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

to circular prophecy given before that in Genesis 3:15

Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Clearly, 3:15 is a prophecy about Christ, and how the Enemy will attempt to destroy Him through His church (heel/foundation - think Petros/Cornerstone,) but Christ will destroy the head of the enemy. If anyone knows snakes, dragons, or any serpentine/reptilian creature, for the most part of that category of animals, you need to cut the head off in order to kill it. Even in the mythological Hydra story (a multi-headed dragon/serpentine creature,) you have to cut the right head to kill it. The serpentine Medusa had to have her head cut off to defeat her. And, so on. The metaphor of the head is the "killing blow."

Interesting how Dan is doing similar things the serpentine Enemy did/will do from Genesis 3. If Antichrist is truly a fake copy of Christ (born as a legal Hebrew, and all of that,) then perhaps Dan is the birth tribe of Antichrist.