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God started somewhere when he became a creator but before creation God was God but not the creator. God started in God and so did we, where we are all lost and yet, ah here I am.
tbh I don't know who i am a lot. what happened to me? we have all eternity to figure that out.
tbh I don't know who i am a lot. what happened to me? we have all eternity to figure that out.
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I don't get how God could have started. saying things like 'eternally generated' are weird. how does such a thing happen? berdyaev said that Gods inner workings are the Trinity. or how does process happen? how do things happen? it does not make sense to me. how can creatures be? how could they not be?
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some quotes of evelyn underhill
“Why, after all, take as our standard a material world whose existence is affirmed by nothing more trustworthy than the sense-impressions of “normal men”; those imperfect and easily cheated channels of communication?”
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism
“In mysticism that love of truth which we saw as the beginning of all philosophy leaves the merely intellectual sphere, and takes on the assured aspect of a personal passion. Where the philosopher guesses and argues, the mystic lives and looks; and speaks, consequently, the disconcerting language of first-hand experience, not the neat dialectic of the schools. Hence whilst the Absolute of the metaphysicians remains a diagram —impersonal and unattainable—the Absolute of the mystics is lovable, attainable, alive.”
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism: A Study in the Nature and Development of Spiritual Consciousness
“Eternity is with us, inviting our contemplation perpetually, but we are too frightened, lazy, and suspicious to respond; too arrogant to still our thought, and let divine sensation have its way. It needs industry and goodwill if we would make that transition; for the process involves a veritable spring-cleaning of the soul, a turning-out and rearrangement of our mental furniture, a wide opening of closed windows, that the notes of the wild birds beyond our garden may come to us fully charged with wonder and freshness, and drown with their music the noise of the gramaphone within. Those who do this, discover that they have lived in a stuffy world, whilst their inheritance was a world of morning-glory:where every tit-mouse is a celestial messenger, and every thrusting bud is charged with the full significance of life.”
― Evelyn Underhill, Practical Mysticism: A Little Book for Normal People
“The Incarnation, which is for traditional Christianity synonymous with the historical birth and earthly life of Christ, is for mystics of a certain type, not only this but also a perpetual Cosmic and personal process. It is an everlasting bringing forth, in the universe and also in the individual ascending soul, of the divine and perfect Life, the pure character of God, of which the one historical life dramatized the essential constituents. Hence the soul, like the physical embryo, resumes in its upward progress the spiritual life-history of the race. "The one secret, the greatest of all," says Patmore, is "the doctrine of the Incarnation, regarded not as an historical event which occurred two thousand years ago, but as an event which is renewed in the body of every one who is in the way to the fulfilment of his original destiny."
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism
“Life, more life, a larger, richer, more satisfying life, is in the last analysis the end of religion,”
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism
“Why, after all, take as our standard a material world whose existence is affirmed by nothing more trustworthy than the sense-impressions of “normal men”; those imperfect and easily cheated channels of communication?”
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism
“In mysticism that love of truth which we saw as the beginning of all philosophy leaves the merely intellectual sphere, and takes on the assured aspect of a personal passion. Where the philosopher guesses and argues, the mystic lives and looks; and speaks, consequently, the disconcerting language of first-hand experience, not the neat dialectic of the schools. Hence whilst the Absolute of the metaphysicians remains a diagram —impersonal and unattainable—the Absolute of the mystics is lovable, attainable, alive.”
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism: A Study in the Nature and Development of Spiritual Consciousness
“Eternity is with us, inviting our contemplation perpetually, but we are too frightened, lazy, and suspicious to respond; too arrogant to still our thought, and let divine sensation have its way. It needs industry and goodwill if we would make that transition; for the process involves a veritable spring-cleaning of the soul, a turning-out and rearrangement of our mental furniture, a wide opening of closed windows, that the notes of the wild birds beyond our garden may come to us fully charged with wonder and freshness, and drown with their music the noise of the gramaphone within. Those who do this, discover that they have lived in a stuffy world, whilst their inheritance was a world of morning-glory:where every tit-mouse is a celestial messenger, and every thrusting bud is charged with the full significance of life.”
― Evelyn Underhill, Practical Mysticism: A Little Book for Normal People
“The Incarnation, which is for traditional Christianity synonymous with the historical birth and earthly life of Christ, is for mystics of a certain type, not only this but also a perpetual Cosmic and personal process. It is an everlasting bringing forth, in the universe and also in the individual ascending soul, of the divine and perfect Life, the pure character of God, of which the one historical life dramatized the essential constituents. Hence the soul, like the physical embryo, resumes in its upward progress the spiritual life-history of the race. "The one secret, the greatest of all," says Patmore, is "the doctrine of the Incarnation, regarded not as an historical event which occurred two thousand years ago, but as an event which is renewed in the body of every one who is in the way to the fulfilment of his original destiny."
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism
“Life, more life, a larger, richer, more satisfying life, is in the last analysis the end of religion,”
― Evelyn Underhill, Mysticism
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nature abhors a vacuum.
what is like a soul?
one time in a dream in my home I saw a giant ape-like thing with beautiful red hairs like blood and I was amazed at both the crudeness and the beauty of it and then the next moment I was being held in its arms like a mother holds a baby and I screamed in terror and woke up.
what is like a soul?
one time in a dream in my home I saw a giant ape-like thing with beautiful red hairs like blood and I was amazed at both the crudeness and the beauty of it and then the next moment I was being held in its arms like a mother holds a baby and I screamed in terror and woke up.
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only very recently have I decided that if I have to always look up to another soul then existing is not worth it.
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Romans 12 2 has that "Will of God" in it. In reflection , in mankinds religion (John 5:39), my view was worldly and very limited in will of God. Yet today, under John 5:40, an expansion of said limitation that changes overall perceptions of all things is the renewing (as they come in situations and how one handled it yesterday, but now, would not, for no "love" was in it) for me.
A pondering... When one applies to self "Love (Will of God)" is it not love in love out?
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Hhhmmm,
I see it in process to the third wisdom between self and God
. It reminds me of a lyric in Creeds human clay, "Somebody told me the wrong way". Whats not mentioned for me, is "I" believed them before God.For those that would like...
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I never listened to creed a lot but they have some good tunes. all the music I listen to are for contemplation and dragging me along. some saints are so concerned over themselves being good that they end up caring more about themselves while they hate the world. prophets are what they are not because they neatly fit in with society or peoples standards. Jesus did not at all deserve the treatment he often got but when someone did him good out of a pure heart it was the traitor judas who loved money more than friends and who thought it was a good idea to sell the expensive gift that one woman gave to Jesus. judas heart was not pure but God still orders everything according to his will which I think is partially by like soul being with like and by interactions that will lead to the betterment of one another. God did good to the pharaoh and it only made him harden his heart more. God lets me be free saying to me "this is good" and then later I find out how inferior of a thing my actions were compared to what they could be. in some ways our own freedom can be torture sometimes. but I often pray for the fastest path. all the internal happenings inside each person are pretty crazy. I could be good or evil, who knows. but I want something more.
I used to want a like button for this website but now that we got one I don't want it. lol
eye for an eye means equality with God.
i wish others could see the language of God more. but how could anyone ever see what I see since I have had a unique experience of life? my brain is wired in a certain way just as all others are. they are not limited to such conditions and a lot of others are all working together with God for things to be how they are.
there are different baptisms. one is of blood.
can't find the rhyme in all my reasons
I've lost sense of time and all seasons
I feel I've been beaten down
By the words of men who have no grounds
I can't sleep beneath the trees of wisdom
When your ax has cut the roots that feed them
Forked tongues in bitter mouths
Can drive a man to bleed from inside out
What if you did?
What if you lied?
What if I avenge?
What if eye for an eye?
I've seen the wicked fruit of your vine
Destroy the man who lacks a strong mind
Human pride sings a vengeful song
Inspired by the times you've been walked on
My stage is shared my many millions
Who lift their hands up high because they feel this
We are one
We are strong
The more you hold us down the more we press on
What if you did?
What if you lied?
What if I avenge?
Waht if eye for an eye?
I know I can't hold the hate inside my mind
'Cause what consumes your thoughts controls your life
So I'll just ask a question
What if?
What if your words could be judged likr a crime?
I've lost sense of time and all seasons
I feel I've been beaten down
By the words of men who have no grounds
I can't sleep beneath the trees of wisdom
When your ax has cut the roots that feed them
Forked tongues in bitter mouths
Can drive a man to bleed from inside out
What if you did?
What if you lied?
What if I avenge?
What if eye for an eye?
I've seen the wicked fruit of your vine
Destroy the man who lacks a strong mind
Human pride sings a vengeful song
Inspired by the times you've been walked on
My stage is shared my many millions
Who lift their hands up high because they feel this
We are one
We are strong
The more you hold us down the more we press on
What if you did?
What if you lied?
What if I avenge?
Waht if eye for an eye?
I know I can't hold the hate inside my mind
'Cause what consumes your thoughts controls your life
So I'll just ask a question
What if?
What if your words could be judged likr a crime?
I used to want a like button for this website but now that we got one I don't want it. lol
eye for an eye means equality with God.
i wish others could see the language of God more. but how could anyone ever see what I see since I have had a unique experience of life? my brain is wired in a certain way just as all others are. they are not limited to such conditions and a lot of others are all working together with God for things to be how they are.
there are different baptisms. one is of blood.
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I don't like the world because people think that they must do evil in order to prevent evil from happening. i'm tired of having to bare the burden of this world of good and evil. I love the world because I see heaven in it. sometimes I think that it is a bad idea that I must exist around other individual souls. if only God and I were in this world there would be no problems.
I have for a long while now been struggling with the whole 'why I should exist with others'. one problem is that human beings still want to exalt Jesus Christ above and beyond themselves and others. another problem is why should souls each exist one with another if they don't want to.
but God would just tell me that i really did want to which is why i'm here or that maybe I wanted to decide if it was what I wanted to be or not. I know that each individual soul only needs God. I would still be me without others. I think that if there is not a special place of separation, some place that is not the heaven of many, then I do not wish to exist at all. if I must only be a blood cell in reality, then I ought not to be at all, if that cell must exist with others. sometimes it hurts that I love other individuals. sometimes i wish they would all forget me and I them.
i know that the reason I feel this way is because of evil in reality, but I don't find separation from others as something that has to be evil. this song sings my spirit well enough though I don't say i ought to force or bother people with all the music I listen to. but what if I only came here because I did not want to come. what if I only came here so that I can forsake it all forever?
what if you are all real but that i will never see any of you again for most of eternity? what if i'm part of God that does this kind of thing? and I decided to check out this part of reality so that it more deeply affirms my own manner of being? I don't mind other souls though I am a bit tormented by all of our evils or blindness. I realize that all of you are what you are, in Gods heart just like me if not revealed now then later on it will be revealed. and that all of you in heaven, I see and I have been to that part of reality. but to think that that is all there is or the only possible way of existing with God is in a collective of individual souls that all know God is their core is just another assumption, though i am able to make assumptions too.
I think that maybe for a lot of my reality, i'm alone with God and every once in a while I go and do some kind of reality where individual souls exist. so i think the commands are fulfilled, and I really do love other individuals, but I don't think it is necessarily true that i must always and constantly exist around other beings. I think all is part of me but if i'm not what I am then neither is any other what they are. so if what i feel and think is evil I need to not be it but if it is good then I might have found a revelation that not many find, I dunno. I know I visit souls from time to time, but I just don't see heaven as extroverts see it.
though I think it would be evil to hate other souls. other souls are great and I see they love God, I deeply rejoice in what they do in the good I take delight in with God. but I think the greater part of me is not community oriented to the degree that some kinds of souls are. I like real community from time to time but I wanna saturate in the thing calling me more. surly there are unknowns, surly there are realities so distant that they might not even appear to be heaven as all have for the most part conceived of it yet. we humans are as nothing after all. our best is nothing to God.
I have for a long while now been struggling with the whole 'why I should exist with others'. one problem is that human beings still want to exalt Jesus Christ above and beyond themselves and others. another problem is why should souls each exist one with another if they don't want to.
but God would just tell me that i really did want to which is why i'm here or that maybe I wanted to decide if it was what I wanted to be or not. I know that each individual soul only needs God. I would still be me without others. I think that if there is not a special place of separation, some place that is not the heaven of many, then I do not wish to exist at all. if I must only be a blood cell in reality, then I ought not to be at all, if that cell must exist with others. sometimes it hurts that I love other individuals. sometimes i wish they would all forget me and I them.
i know that the reason I feel this way is because of evil in reality, but I don't find separation from others as something that has to be evil. this song sings my spirit well enough though I don't say i ought to force or bother people with all the music I listen to. but what if I only came here because I did not want to come. what if I only came here so that I can forsake it all forever?
what if you are all real but that i will never see any of you again for most of eternity? what if i'm part of God that does this kind of thing? and I decided to check out this part of reality so that it more deeply affirms my own manner of being? I don't mind other souls though I am a bit tormented by all of our evils or blindness. I realize that all of you are what you are, in Gods heart just like me if not revealed now then later on it will be revealed. and that all of you in heaven, I see and I have been to that part of reality. but to think that that is all there is or the only possible way of existing with God is in a collective of individual souls that all know God is their core is just another assumption, though i am able to make assumptions too.
I think that maybe for a lot of my reality, i'm alone with God and every once in a while I go and do some kind of reality where individual souls exist. so i think the commands are fulfilled, and I really do love other individuals, but I don't think it is necessarily true that i must always and constantly exist around other beings. I think all is part of me but if i'm not what I am then neither is any other what they are. so if what i feel and think is evil I need to not be it but if it is good then I might have found a revelation that not many find, I dunno. I know I visit souls from time to time, but I just don't see heaven as extroverts see it.
though I think it would be evil to hate other souls. other souls are great and I see they love God, I deeply rejoice in what they do in the good I take delight in with God. but I think the greater part of me is not community oriented to the degree that some kinds of souls are. I like real community from time to time but I wanna saturate in the thing calling me more. surly there are unknowns, surly there are realities so distant that they might not even appear to be heaven as all have for the most part conceived of it yet. we humans are as nothing after all. our best is nothing to God.
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and everything is always with God and ordered but there is no end to the flavors. if me and God are not the same then we are not for each other. if we are the same then we are for each other. 'what ifs' are good in my eyes along with whatever it is in you that is really you. it is obvious that those I love are part of me but the nature of mind is infinite even when it makes choices forever or it becomes forever, not passing through all eternity could never mean I am less than it, it just means that infinite in infinite is infinite. false infinite are simple numbers going on in numbers forever. we are so much more than such a naive notion. I have a spirit and it is mine, it must be that I am a layer of reality that stretches forever and all where I go is part of what I am and I never left the only place I could be. it must be that i have God to love and that God love me and at least for me, I should be drowning in God so much that I just don't have time to try to appear to be what is, when i know me and God are more. it would be better if I existed independently apart from the collectives that form this heaven. if I was my own thing then I would add to it and make it rejoice but still remain what I am, and I think that is how things are for me. because certainly I could never say that I started to exist when i became a human being, for a long time now I have not believed that to be true. duh, part of me is a creature. that is pretty obvious.
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what's with all this "repent" and "I forgive you" bull? as if God ever needed to forgive anyone. he is far beyond trying to exalt his damaged ego and has no need to forgive some weak being for being their own nature. some types of souls need such things and we should never be evil and only conform and be concerned with God.
I am so sick of all the fear and groveling over God. if it is pleasing to God then it is pleasing to God. sometimes God lets us go through hard times simply because he wants to watch us be and go through it and he wants us to go through it well. he wants us to come to him with all that we are because we belong to him and he belongs to us.
it is not love to have to fear God and to exalt him above yourself, though some need such things and whatever is pleasing to God is what you ought to be and do. but the constant near legalistic "but Jesus Christ is super special" does good in that it loves but it does evil because it puts everyone else down.
what kind of God puts a favored soul above another? a God that does not have enough love to love me with, that is who.
i'm so sick of all the hypocrites that use Jesus to beat everyone down! i'm so sick of looking like the bad guy when i know that God loves me infinity. why would God ever think to put me down one iota?
a bunch of idolaters who do not have a heart after God enough are the ones who turn Jesus into the guy that don't allow others to enter the gates and who do not enter themselves and turn them into twofold the disciple of hell as they were. because the truth is that when you put the least of my brethren down you also put me down. period the end. and yet I know I do that to people. I do it to them because they constantly do it to others. they are forever slapping people in the face and telling them to worship the devil and so God becomes their adversary in order to provoke them to live rather than die.
man I love your innocence, I really do. but love God rather than being concerned about anything else. what a sick thing it is for me to think i ought to better myself in a situation when i deal with someone when they themselves deserve to have God as much as possible. but I have no desire to become their slaves.
I know that i used to be like so many are and i could care less if I am the worst thing that now exist but only God is important and humans have a strange idea of what love means.
don't love God in a righteous manner, its not good enough. everything is a curse, everything trys to get in the way between you and God. cursed be social unity. cursed be all unity that is not unity of the person to God. do no evil for no other reason than because of God. and be a failure for Gods sake.
we can do better, we could love all more. but in my eyes, I should only do it because I love God. because I have no desire to keep people separated from God just so they can feel comfortable, just so they can have brotherly love one for another. far be it from me that i love my brothers more than God. the best love is to love them because you love God and only then when you and God love together is it a nice love in my eyes. because no one should ever be separated from God unless being separated from him is an expression of your love for him.
this world is evil for Gods sake and not anothers.
I am so sick of all the fear and groveling over God. if it is pleasing to God then it is pleasing to God. sometimes God lets us go through hard times simply because he wants to watch us be and go through it and he wants us to go through it well. he wants us to come to him with all that we are because we belong to him and he belongs to us.
it is not love to have to fear God and to exalt him above yourself, though some need such things and whatever is pleasing to God is what you ought to be and do. but the constant near legalistic "but Jesus Christ is super special" does good in that it loves but it does evil because it puts everyone else down.
what kind of God puts a favored soul above another? a God that does not have enough love to love me with, that is who.
i'm so sick of all the hypocrites that use Jesus to beat everyone down! i'm so sick of looking like the bad guy when i know that God loves me infinity. why would God ever think to put me down one iota?
a bunch of idolaters who do not have a heart after God enough are the ones who turn Jesus into the guy that don't allow others to enter the gates and who do not enter themselves and turn them into twofold the disciple of hell as they were. because the truth is that when you put the least of my brethren down you also put me down. period the end. and yet I know I do that to people. I do it to them because they constantly do it to others. they are forever slapping people in the face and telling them to worship the devil and so God becomes their adversary in order to provoke them to live rather than die.
man I love your innocence, I really do. but love God rather than being concerned about anything else. what a sick thing it is for me to think i ought to better myself in a situation when i deal with someone when they themselves deserve to have God as much as possible. but I have no desire to become their slaves.
I know that i used to be like so many are and i could care less if I am the worst thing that now exist but only God is important and humans have a strange idea of what love means.
don't love God in a righteous manner, its not good enough. everything is a curse, everything trys to get in the way between you and God. cursed be social unity. cursed be all unity that is not unity of the person to God. do no evil for no other reason than because of God. and be a failure for Gods sake.
we can do better, we could love all more. but in my eyes, I should only do it because I love God. because I have no desire to keep people separated from God just so they can feel comfortable, just so they can have brotherly love one for another. far be it from me that i love my brothers more than God. the best love is to love them because you love God and only then when you and God love together is it a nice love in my eyes. because no one should ever be separated from God unless being separated from him is an expression of your love for him.
this world is evil for Gods sake and not anothers.
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