Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[Soyeong]

I agree with Bob S.
2 Peter chapter 3 verse 16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

The problem is that you're doing the very action of distorting Paul's words that you're accusing me of doing. Here's what the next verse says:

2 Peter 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

The people who were distorting Paul's words were carried away with the error of lawlessness. I'm trying to tell you to obey God's law, to not be carried away with the error of lawlessness, and to not distort his words into making him against keeping God's law.

Soyeong why don't you pray for wisdom and understanding so you can be set free.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Your a slave and your teaching slavery, I feel sorry for you if you don't change, your also making slaves of others who think you know what your talking about.
Just keep praying maybe God will have mercy on you.

Indeed, we will know the truth, and the truth will set us free, but God's law is the truth (Psalms 119:142) and God's law is the law of liberty (Psalms 119:145, James 1:25), and it is sin, which is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), that puts us in bondage, so if you want to be free, then submit to God's law.

 

[bugkiller]

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

God's grace brings about the obedience of faith (Romans 1:5) and trains us to have a godly conduct and to renounce having an ungodly conduct. Obedience to the commands of God is the way to have a godly conduct and disobedience to the commands of God is the way to have an ungodly conduct. Strong's defines "grace" as "the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life" and God's commands are the way to do His will, so when God influences us to do His will and His will is reflected in our lives, it takes the form of obedience to His commands. OT Scriptures are the way to do good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and God is purifying for Himself a people of for His own possession who are zealous for doing good works. We are new creations in Messiah for the purpose of doing good works (Ephesians 2:10). The law is of the Spirit (Romans 7:14) and the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Spirit is not in disagreement with the Father about what conduct we should have, so the Spirit will not lead us in disobedience to the Father's commands.

The only ungodly conduct you're concerned about is following your version of the 4th commandment. Otherwise you're making false accusations about ungodly conduct. The deal is the Christian isn't obligated to the covenant or any of its contents given to Israel alone. Thus not observing any version of the 4th commandment isn't sin or ungodly conduct. Secondly the law was never given to the gentiles.

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[bugkiller]

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

God's grace brings about the obedience of faith (Romans 1:5) and trains us to have a godly conduct and to renounce having an ungodly conduct. Obedience to the commands of God is the way to have a godly conduct and disobedience to the commands of God is the way to have an ungodly conduct. Strong's defines "grace" as "the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life" and God's commands are the way to do His will, so when God influences us to do His will and His will is reflected in our lives, it takes the form of obedience to His commands. OT Scriptures are the way to do good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and God is purifying for Himself a people of for His own possession who are zealous for doing good works. We are new creations in Messiah for the purpose of doing good works (Ephesians 2:10). The law is of the Spirit (Romans 7:14) and the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Spirit is not in disagreement with the Father about what conduct we should have, so the Spirit will not lead us in disobedience to the Father's commands.

Now the command of the Father is to keep the commandments of Jesus opposed to the law given to Israel - I JN 3:23.

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[bugkiller]

Do you agree that Hebrews 11 contains examples of people who lived by faith by obeying God's instructions? If so, then you should agree that demonstrating that we trust God enough to obey His instructions is the way to live by faith, which includes obedience to His law, so clearly Paul was talking about a different law that was not based on faith. The phrase "works of law" refers to works of any law with the exception that it specifically does not refer to God's law, though it is often used to refer to man-made traditions for how they thought people should obey God's law. The Book of the Law speaks about the faith of Abraham, so those who rely on works of the law rather than abide by what is written in the Book of the Law are not living by the faith of Abraham, and thus are under a curse for failing to do everything that is written in the Book of the Law.



Again, "works of law" does not refer to God's law, but to Jewish traditions for how how to obey God's law. There was a group going around saying that Gentiles had to follow their traditions in order to be saved (Acts 15:1) and Paul was arguing that no one is justified by obeying their traditions. I agree that we can't obey God's law perfectly, but it doesn't follow that therefore we shouldn't practice obedience to it and practice repentance when we sin in disobedience to it.

Exactly where do you get this idea about "works of the law" from? The only issue in this forum is the 4th commandment which is the law.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The 1,050 laws in the NT are further instructions on how to obey the laws of the OT, but it was not necessary to go down the line repeating every OT law. Messiah taught to obey OT law both word and by example of walking in obedience to it, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:4-6), and to imitate him (1 Corinthians 11:1), so the NT doesn't need to repeat every OT law in order for us to know what we should obey God's commands. Paul continued to live in obedience to the Torah (Acts 21:24) and Gentiles were already keeping the Sabbath and learning about how to keep the law (Acts 15:21). He also encouraged the Colossians not to let any man keep them from obey God's appointed times (Colossians 2:16).

Bet ya, you can't name a single person who has done this awesome feat in over 2,000 years. Why is this? Can't the Holy Spirit do what you claim?

Paul took a vow that involved making sacrifices (Acts 18:18, Numbers 6) and was on his way to pay for the sacrifices of others who were taking that vow (Acts 21:20-24), so sacrifices did not stop with the death and resurrection of Jesus, but rather they continued up until the destruction of the temple and will resume when the third temple is built (Ezekiel 44-46). We may not know who the descendants of Levi are, but that is no mystery to God. Messiah died to pay the penalty for our sins, so there is no need to enforce the penalty for breaking the Sabbath when it has already been paid, though we should still follow Messiah's example of obedience by faith. The tithing laws were in regard to the conduct of people who grew crops, but the law is of the Spirit (Romans 7:14), so it is meant to teach us spiritual principles that we can and should still follow. I'm not sure why you think money couldn't used.

You just gave all the license anyone needs to refuse to comply with your theology.

Jesus summarized OT law as being about how to love God and how to love others, so the law of love precisely is OT law, and he showed us how to love God and others through his obedience to it. Jesus did not add or subtract a single law from the OT law, otherwise he would have been sinning (Deuteronomy 4:2), and would have been unable to save us. The rituals in the OT are God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct, and as part of the NT, we are also instructed to have a holy conduct (1 Peter 1:14-16), which means that we are also to follow those instructions. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4), so our salvation in from transgressing the law for the purpose of coming into obedience to it in accordance with Messiah's example. We aren't saved by obedience to God, but for the purpose of obeying Him.

Jer 31 is being totally disregarded here as well as 3 Gospels.

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[bugkiller]

The problem is that you're doing the very action of distorting Paul's words that you're accusing me of doing. Here's what the next verse says:

2 Peter 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

The people who were distorting Paul's words were carried away with the error of lawlessness. I'm trying to tell you to obey God's law, to not be carried away with the error of lawlessness, and to not distort his words into making him against keeping God's law.



Indeed, we will know the truth, and the truth will set us free, but God's law is the truth (Psalms 119:142) and God's law is the law of liberty (Psalms 119:145, James 1:25), and it is sin, which is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), that puts us in bondage, so if you want to be free, then submit to God's law.

The only lawlessness error you're concerned about is your version of the 4th commandment. That law is done away with according to the Gospels in reference to Jeremiah's prophecy found in chapter 31. Please notice I didn't appeal to Paul's writings.

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[Bob S]

The problem is that you're doing the very action of distorting Paul's words that you're accusing me of doing. Here's what the next verse says:

2 Peter 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

The people who were distorting Paul's words were carried away with the error of lawlessness. I'm trying to tell you to obey God's law, to not be carried away with the error of lawlessness, and to not distort his words into making him against keeping God's law.

And we are trying to and have shown you that God's laws for Christians are not the Torah. Torah was for Israel only. We know we are doing right if we believe in Jesus and love others as He commanded. !Jn3:19-24 True love will do no evil. Christianity is not about ritual laws given only to Israel.

Indeed, we will know the truth, and the truth will set us free, but God's law is the truth (Psalms 119:142) and God's law is the law of liberty (Psalms 119:145, James 1:25), and it is sin, which is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), that puts us in bondage, so if you want to be free, then submit to God's law.

Always a "but".

 

[Sophrosyne]

And we are trying to and have shown you that God's laws for Christians are not the Torah. Torah was for Israel only. We know we are doing right if we believe in Jesus and love others as He commanded. !Jn3:19-24 True love will do no evil. Christianity is not about ritual laws given only to Israel.


Always a "but".

And no mention of Jesus in that whole statement of setting us free from sin.... I've notices that too often the Law thumpers don't realize they ARE replacing Jesus with the Law when it comes to sin it is Law this, Law that, and Jesus is shoved aside for the Sabbath in the end.

 

[Cribstyl]

That is truly wrong my friend, the law was given to point out sin. It had no power to make anyone righteous.


If Israel could have kept all the law they surely would have been righteous. Jesus would not have had to come to save mankind from the power of the law, any law given by God to His children anywhere. Israel and all the population of the World has failed miserably in keeping the laws that God has given them.

Yes, the law was given to point out sin...What wrong with my statement about the law? Did you read the verse and context? Why did Moses teach that it would be righteousness if they kept all the commandments?
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
That truth is also clear in the NT. (see ref text Rom10:5)
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Here's where God had established righteousness by the law in the OT
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
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On your second argument.
I would say 'Amen', if you're saying that Jesus came to save mankind from the power of sin. (not the power of the law)

 

[Cribstyl]

Do you agree that Hebrews 11 contains examples of people who lived by faith by obeying God's instructions? If so, then you should agree that demonstrating that we trust God enough to obey His instructions is the way to live by faith, which includes obedience to His law, so clearly Paul was talking about a different law that was not based on faith. The phrase "works of law" refers to works of any law with the exception that it specifically does not refer to God's law, though it is often used to refer to man-made traditions for how they thought people should obey God's law. The Book of the Law speaks about the faith of Abraham, so those who rely on works of the law rather than abide by what is written in the Book of the Law are not living by the faith of Abraham, and thus are under a curse for failing to do everything that is written in the Book of the Law.

Really?, Heb 11 is illustrating heroes and their heroic acts of faith, it does not mention obeying instructions (law). Name one example related to keeping the law.

Again, "works of law" does not refer to God's law, but to Jewish traditions for how how to obey God's law. There was a group going around saying that Gentiles had to follow their traditions in order to be saved (Acts 15:1) and Paul was arguing that no one is justified by obeying their traditions. I agree that we can't obey God's law perfectly, but it doesn't follow that therefore we shouldn't practice obedience to it and practice repentance when we sin in disobedience to it.

False, Paul refers to 'works of the law' as the keeping of all the commandments in the law. (reference text)
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[Bob S]

Yes, the law was given to point out sin...What wrong with my statement about the law? Did you read the verse and context? Why did Moses teach that it would be righteousness if they kept all the commandments?
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
That truth is also clear in the NT. (see ref text Rom10:5)
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Here's where God had established righteousness by the law in the OT
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
..................................

On your second argument.
I would say 'Amen', if you're saying that Jesus came to save mankind from the power of sin. (not the power of the law)

You can quote verses all day, but the fact is that the law had no power to save. All it could do is point out sin. Jesus saves.

Come to think about it what power does sin have? Doesn't all power come from God? Is doing wrong powerful? Lets mull that around for a while. Maybe the statement should be that Jesus came to save us from the power of ol satan. satan was/is the great deceiver and it is he that causes us to fall short of righteousness.

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Law pointed out sin. If man could have lived without sinning then the whole story of redemption would have changed. Righteousness can be described as right doing. If the Israelites would have kept the covenant, done right, they would have remained in the promised land. They failed and the promised land was stripped from them. Their lack of right doing had nothing to do with eternal life. Eternal life is a free gift to the believer. Believers still fall short of the Glory of God. Thank God for the Advocate.

 

[Soyeong]

Really?, Heb 11 is illustrating heroes and their heroic acts of faith, it does not mention obeying instructions (law). Name one example related to keeping the law.

When Noah was instructed by God to build an ark, he did so by faith, when Abraham was instructed to leave the land of his fathers, he did so by faith, when Abraham was instructed by God to offer Isaac, he did so by faith. Living by faith is when we demonstrate that we trust God through obeying His instructions and does not refer to living in any manner apart from obedience to His instructions.

False, Paul refers to 'works of the law' as the keeping of all the commandments in the law. (reference text)
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

This is again example of "works of law" referring to something other than God's law. The Book of the Law speaks about the faith of Abraham, so those who rely on works of the law rather than abide by what is written in the Book of the Law are not living by the faith of Abraham, and thus are under a curse for failing to do everything that is written in the Book of the Law.

 

[Soyeong]

And we are trying to and have shown you that God's laws for Christians are not the Torah. Torah was for Israel only. We know we are doing right if we believe in Jesus and love others as He commanded. !Jn3:19-24 True love will do no evil. Christianity is not about ritual laws given only to Israel.

God's laws are His instructions for how to have a holy, righteous, and good conduct, and Christians are told to have such a conduct (1 Peter 1:14-16, 1 John 3:10, Ephesians 2:10), so we are to act in accordance with God's law, and to suggest otherwise is twist Paul's words into promoting sin and lawlessness. Paul said that our faith upholds the law, not that it sets us apart from the law. The ritual laws given to Israel are God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which we are told to have. To say that the Torah is for Israel only is to say that having a holy, righteous, and good conduct is for Israel only, following Messiah's example of having such a conduct is for Israel only, that avoiding sin is for Israel only, and that the New Covenant is for Israel only. If true love will do no evil, then it will not disobey the Torah.

Always a "but".

There will always be a "but" when you say things contrary to Scripture. God did not save Israel out of bondage in Egypt to put them back under bondage, but to give them freedom.

 

[Cribstyl]

You can quote verses all day, but the fact is that the law had no power to save. All it could do is point out sin. Jesus saves.

Bob S, we agree on most, please come back to earth. You raised an issue from my post to disciple 1, in which I posted A) The law was given to make people righteous.....
Deu 6:25 ‘Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us.’

That is the only discussion we're having. I'm sure if you redeem Deu6:25 you'd understand that it's calling for righteousness by keeping the law. I've asked you to explain the verse but you not sharing what you get from it. I've posted to you Rom10:5 where Paul explained that Moses taught righteousness by keeping the law. You keep talking around me.

Come to think about it what power does sin have? Doesn't all power come from God? Is doing wrong powerful? Lets mull that around for a while. Maybe the statement should be that Jesus came to save us from the power of ol satan. satan was/is the great deceiver and it is he that causes us to fall short of righteousness.

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Law pointed out sin. If man could have lived without sinning then the whole story of redemption would have changed. Righteousness can be described as right doing. If the Israelites would have kept the covenant, done right, they would have remained in the promised land. They failed and the promised land was stripped from them. Their lack of right doing had nothing to do with eternal life. Eternal life is a free gift to the believer. Believers still fall short of the Glory of God. Thank God for the Advocate

reserve comments till we clear 1 issue.

 

[Cribstyl]

When Noah was instructed by God to build an ark, he did so by faith, when Abraham was instructed to leave the land of his fathers, he did so by faith, when Abraham was instructed by God to offer Isaac, he did so by faith. Living by faith is when we demonstrate that we trust God through obeying His instructions and does not refer to living in any manner apart from obedience to His instructions.

My point is this. In all these examples of faith, law breaking or keeping is not a discussion. Rahab was a Philistine, her faith was to believe, that the God of Israel would allow Israel to conquer her people (the Philistines), even though Israel had a smaller army. Her act of faith was to hide the spies.

This is again example of "works of law" referring to something other than God's law. The Book of the Law speaks about the faith of Abraham, so those who rely on works of the law rather than abide by what is written in the Book of the Law are not living by the faith of Abraham, and thus are under a curse for failing to do everything that is written in the Book of the Law.

You're making up stuff.

 

[Soyeong]

Yes, the law was given to point out sin...What wrong with my statement about the law? Did you read the verse and context? Why did Moses teach that it would be righteousness if they kept all the commandments?
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
That truth is also clear in the NT. (see ref text Rom10:5)
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Here's where God had established righteousness by the law in the OT
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
..................................

On your second argument.
I would say 'Amen', if you're saying that Jesus came to save mankind from the power of sin. (not the power of the law)

There are actions that produce a false righteousness that is like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6) and actions that produce a true righteousness that is like fine white linen (Revelation 19:8) and the difference has never been in the type of actions, but always in the location of our heart, otherwise God would not have always disdained it when His people outwardly obeyed His commands while their hearts were far from Him (Isaiah 29:13, Mark 7:6-13). God's law has always been about building a relationship between Him and His people by faith, but people can get drawn into legalism where they focus on follow those instructions rather than on drawing close to God through doing those actions by faith. The problem with Israel was that they pursued the law as if righteousness were by works rather than by faith (Romans 9:30-32). The context of the verses surrounding Deuteronomy 6:25 and Romans 10:5 show this:

20 “When your son asks you in time to come, ‘What is the meaning of the testimonies and the statutes and the rules that the Lord our God has commanded you?’ 21 then you shall say to your son, ‘We were Pharaoh's slaves in Egypt. And the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 And the Lord showed signs and wonders, great and grievous, against Egypt and against Pharaoh and all his household, before our eyes. 23 And he brought us out from there, that he might bring us in and give us the land that he swore to give to our fathers. 24 And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as we are this day. 25 And it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to do all this commandment before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us.’

God's commands are about trusting Him to bring them out of Egypt, trusting God to bring them to the promised land, trusting God about doing what is for their good, trusting God to preserve them, and about trusting God to make them righteous through careful obedience. It was never the careful obedience that made them righteous, but rather it was trusting God about how they should live and about trusting in the promise of a redeemer from unrighteousness that made them righteous, which led to careful obedience.

Romans 10:4 Christ is the goal of the Law, which leads to righteousness for all who have faith in God. 5 Moses writes about the righteousness that comes from the Law: The person who does these things will live by them. 6 But the righteousness that comes from faith talks like this: Don’t say in your heart, “Who will go up into heaven?” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or “Who will go down into the region below?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the message of faith that we preach). 9 Because if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and in your heart you have faith that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 Trusting with the heart leads to righteousness, and confessing with the mouth leads to salvation.

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 This commandment that I’m giving you right now is definitely not too difficult for you. It isn’t unreachable. 12 It isn’t up in heaven somewhere so that you have to ask, “Who will go up for us to heaven and get it for us that we can hear it and do it?” 13 Nor is it across the ocean somewhere so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the ocean for us and get it for us that we can hear it and do it?” 14 Not at all! The word is very close to you. It’s in your mouth and in your heart, waiting for you to do it.

Messiah is the goal of the law because the law points to him, is all about him, he is the one who can pay our penalty for disobeying the law, and he is the one who can cause us to meet the obedience that the law requires through faith (Romans 8:4). The message of faith that Paul preached goes all the way back to Deuteronomy 30, where they were to obey what God has commanded them by faith.

 

[Soyeong]

My point is this. In all these examples of faith, law breaking or keeping is not a discussion. Rahab was a Philistine, her faith was to believe, that the God of Israel would allow Israel to conquer her people (the Philistines), even though Israel had a smaller army. Her act of faith was to hide the spies.

Living by faith is demonstrating that you trust God about how you should live through doing His will or following His instructions. That should be broad enough to cover people who did God's will, such as Rahab, those who followed God's specific instructions, and include God's general instructions for how to do what is holy, righteous, and good. The point being is that when the Bible says that the righteous shall live by faith, it is talking about those who demonstrate that they trust God about how they should live. If you think that you know better than God how you should live, and disregard His law, then you are not living by faith.

You're making up stuff.

Abraham is the father of our faith and having the faith of Abraham is of central importance in Christianity. God's laws are meant to be obeyed by this faith, but Paul was arguing against those who were saying that Gentiles had to become circumcised and obey the customs of Moses in order to be saved (Acts 15:1), so that is their works of law, which are not of the faith of Abraham, which Paul contrasted with the Book of the Law. Qumran text 4QMMT also uses the phrase "works of law" in this same manner.

 

[love2obey]

Before the law was given to Moses, there was sin in. Yet many say that the laws were only given to the Jews. So Adam and Eve were Jews? on the sixth day, God created the Jews.
So we are not Jew but Gentiles.... Ok. So no one should learn from a Jew's teachings or the OT God of the Jews.
Therefore Christian today should not:

1. believe in Jesus, a Jew
2. believe in Paul's writings, a Jew
3. nor the disciples/apostles, Jews
4. ready the OT
5. nor quote the OT, in particular the book of Psalms
6. be influence by those quotes from the Jewish Apostles about their Jewish prophets.

NO, NO. Thats not it. Christians should believe in the almighty son that had more to teach than the father so he took the time to set things right. Yes, Jesus the son of God had to come to earth to correct all the mistake that God the Father made in the past. Jesus shows the father what true love and mercy is. Since he is one and the father is someone else. You know, how it is done.

NO, NO, NO. ajdf;adjf;ladkjf;dalkfjd;lfkjd;flkdjf;ldkfj

You know those are some of the arguments ,in general, that we present. Those with a level head will see what we are truly preaching. Some others because of the weigh of their sins will accept anything or anyone that says you are fine. yet, as they begin to truly seek the Lord with their heart as they ready their bible, they will see the truth and seek a place next to the creator of the universe and the redeemer of humanity, Our Lord and God Jesus.

I hope that some of us took the time to read this. We need to be real as God is real and stop trying to make our own gospel.
Once we know the Lord, the Almighty God creator of heaven and earth, we will stop believing in some of the things we do today. Furthermore, we will be enlighten to the true path that Jesus is.

 

[love2obey]

The law is a testimony of God's grace. His love for us is so great that He does things for us to help us.
The law is speaks to me, lets me know in detail of my sins.
With out it, Jesus cant help me.
Both, the law and Jesus, a gift from God to save humanity.

 

[Cribstyl]

There are actions that produce a false righteousness that is like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6) and actions that produce a true righteousness that is like fine white linen (Revelation 19:8) and the difference has never been in the type of actions, but always in the location of our heart, otherwise God would not have always disdained it when His people outwardly obeyed His commands while their hearts were far from Him (Isaiah 29:13, Mark 7:6-13). God's law has always been about building a relationship between Him and His people by faith, but people can get drawn into legalism where they focus on follow those instructions rather than on drawing close to God through doing those actions by faith. The problem with Israel was that they pursued the law as if righteousness were by works rather than by faith (Romans 9:30-32).

Truth be told, the Mosaic covenant was righteousness by keeping every commandment in the law.
Also, written in the books of the law (Gen-Duet) was that God would raise up another prophet like Moses. Both the law and the prophet (Jer31:31-34)prophesied of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant.
Prophesy was that Jesus would come and be the lamb of God, to take away the sins of the world.
Knowing that His blood sealed the New Covenant is to know why we're no longer under the law.(old covenant)

Rom 3 makes it clear that from now on, God requires righteousness without the law.
Rom 3:21 ¶But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.