Critical Mass of Science Denial / Ignorance

[AV1611VET]

What if you dont speak english at all? Or very well?

Then get a KJB in your own language.

 

[RickG]

Then get a KJB in your own language.

I think yours is just fine in the way it expresses itself.
Example: 2 Kings 18:27

 

[expos4ever]

Like many others here, I suspect, I am disturbed by the evidence of relatively widespread ignorance of Scripture...

Example please. For my part, two examples come to mind:

1. Evolution: strongly affirmed by evidence;
2. Human-Caused Global Warming: expert consensus that this is real.

Now, please give us examples of the "scriptural ignorance" of which you speak.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And the witch of Endor?

Is that No True Scotsman as well?

That appears to be a different sort of "witch". Perhaps you should check the original Hebrew for both. I note that no righteous Jews stoned her. You are making the mistake of taking a translation literally. The KJV is definitely lacking at times when it came to words or thoughts translated into modern English.

 

[Loudmouth]

Climate change deniers also utilize many of the creation science tactics as well; i.e., cherry picked data and Gish gallops.

We could add quote mines and fake authorities to the list.

 

[TLK Valentine]

BUT ---it was not a curse. It was a metaphorical/mythological explanation for a whole raft of things including pain in childbirth.

So when God explicitly said He was going to make those things happen, we can safely ignore it.

 

[AV1611VET]

That appears to be a different sort of "witch". Perhaps you should check the original Hebrew for both.

Hmmm.

Let's see.

Afraid she would be caught, so she disguised herself.

Called up the spirit of Samuel from Hell.

Yup ... I'd say she was a witch.

I note that no righteous Jews stoned her.

Sign of the times.

Did you also note Eli's sons weren't put to death?

You are making the mistake of taking a translation literally.

And you're making the mistake of assuming everyone followed the letter of the Law, like they were supposed to.

The KJV is definitely lacking at times when it came to words or thoughts translated into modern English.

The "curse" is worse than the "disease."

We need to learn the KJV -- not the other way around.

 

[JackRT]

God explicitly said

Where?

 

[VirOptimus]

Then get a KJB in your own language.

And if there arent any?

And still, that would be a translation and therefore different.

 

[AV1611VET]

And if there arent any?

And still, that would be a translation and therefore different.

I'm sure you don't have any problem harping about the Bible saying this or that in the "original Hebrew."

Why are you now harping someone might not have One in their own language?

Reading the Bible in his own language is the last thing I would assume a scientist would want to do.

 

[RickG]

I'm sure you don't have any problem harping about the Bible saying this or that in the "original Hebrew."

Why are you now harping someone might not have One in their own language?

Reading the Bible in his own language is the last thing I would assume a scientist would want to do.

Pertaining to the KJV: The New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament from Hebrew and Aramaic, and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin.

 

[pat34lee]

Yes, you can all be wrong. Also the laws of thermodynamics have nothing to do with evolution. That argument has been debunked so many times already.

And yet it can not be shown ever that anything
goes from disorder to order without a plan, and
without an intelligent and purposed application
of energy. Without both, adding energy is only
destructive.

 

[RickG]

And yet it can not be shown ever that anything
goes from disorder to order without a plan, and
without an intelligent and purposed application
of energy. Without both, adding energy is only
destructive.

The laws of thermodynamics have absolutely nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with heat transfer.

 

[bhsmte]

Like many others here, I suspect, I am disturbed by the evidence of relatively widespread ignorance of science as well as, perhaps more sinisterly, the outright distrust of the findings of science. In this regard, I wonder about a "critical mass" effect - if enough people believe enough wacky things, they need no longer feel ashamed of their views and, yes, may even revel in their ignorance and off-kilter thinking. In short, if enough people believe wonky stuff, there is an illusion of "power in numbers": we can't all be wrong in thinking that global warming is a massive conspiracy, or that evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics - you name it.

Perhaps if we whittle away enough people from the herd of the ignorant, the rest of the herd will dissipate (since it would then be effectively below the critical mass).

You are really talking about psychology of belief here.

When someone has a personal belief that is so near and dear to them and it just so happens, well evidenced reality contradicts this belief, what follows can be interesting.

A person can either come to realize their belief was mistaken, or they can build defense mechanisms to protect these beliefs. The defense mechanisms include; outright denial of this evidence, claiming the evidence is of an evil source and confirmation bias, looking for anything or anyone who agrees with them.

It really comes down to this; when it becomes to painful (internally) for someone to continue to deal with cognitive dissonance and a need to deny well evidenced reality, they will succumb to reality and adjust their beliefs. With some though, it is far to painful to give up the belief, so the battle with cognitive dissonance and assuring the defense mechanisms are strong, continues.

It is a really interesting process to watch in action.

 

[ScottA]

Like many others here, I suspect, I am disturbed by the evidence of relatively widespread ignorance of science as well as, perhaps more sinisterly, the outright distrust of the findings of science. In this regard, I wonder about a "critical mass" effect - if enough people believe enough wacky things, they need no longer feel ashamed of their views and, yes, may even revel in their ignorance and off-kilter thinking. In short, if enough people believe wonky stuff, there is an illusion of "power in numbers": we can't all be wrong in thinking that global warming is a massive conspiracy, or that evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics - you name it.

Perhaps if we whittle away enough people from the herd of the ignorant, the rest of the herd will dissipate (since it would then be effectively below the critical mass).

The opposite is true.

Enough people believe in the teachings (and scientific findings) of men, that we have indeed reached critical mass. And God has sent strong delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

 

[VirOptimus]

I'm sure you don't have any problem harping about the Bible saying this or that in the "original Hebrew."

Why are you now harping someone might not have One in their own language?

Reading the Bible in his own language is the last thing I would assume a scientist would want to do.

No, I personaly dont care for the bible at all and really dont care what it says in any language. But Im an atheist so that is to be expected.

Im sure religious scientists read their holy books in their own language all the time.

Their belief is just as valid as yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I personaly dont care for the bible at all and really dont care what it says in any language. But Im an atheist so that is to be expected.

I was under the impression you atheists know the Bible better than Christians do.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I was under the impression you atheists know the Bible better than Christians do.

Only some of us know it better than some of you.

 

[VirOptimus]

I was under the impression you atheists know the Bible better than Christians do.

I think thats mostly a US thing

 

[AV1611VET]

I think thats mostly a US thing

Could be, I suppose.