What does it take to have salvation?

[Robban]

The God that drew my mind deeper and beyond where thoughts usually come from revealed the mind of an immortal as a comparison. There was much knowledge given and the Love of God was revealed to the extent I partially collapsed and had difficultly breathing.
God was known at that moment as the creator who manifests everything seen and unseen instantly and this is in the whole universe.
There is a foundation, a geometry laid out and everything appears.
I made many notes but burnt them all years ago.

Fourteen years later the truth of the scriptures were understood to a new depth when the divine nature was revealed and the Love in this was energized by God. God was fully indwelling when my own rebellious nature was covered by the nature of Jesus.
Faith had produced a forward momentum lead by the Holy Spirit where my mind was transformed and renewed in a single event during a fast.
It is true.
When a person is prepared the energy comes from within as pure and clean.

The problem for me is that I was not brought up in a church culture or any religion. I just treat my body as an instrument for God to indwell.
When it all goes well it is very good but there have been problems.

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[Robban]

The God that drew my mind deeper and beyond where thoughts usually come from revealed the mind of an immortal as a comparison. There was much knowledge given and the Love of God was revealed to the extent I partially collapsed and had difficultly breathing.
God was known at that moment as the creator who manifests everything seen and unseen instantly and this is in the whole universe.
There is a foundation, a geometry laid out and everything appears.
I made many notes but burnt them all years ago.

Fourteen years later the truth of the scriptures were understood to a new depth when the divine nature was revealed and the Love in this was energized by God. God was fully indwelling when my own rebellious nature was covered by the nature of Jesus.
Faith had produced a forward momentum lead by the Holy Spirit where my mind was transformed and renewed in a single event during a fast.
It is true.
When a person is prepared the energy comes from within as pure and clean.

The problem for me is that I was not brought up in a church culture or any religion. I just treat my body as an instrument for God to indwell.
When it all goes well it is very good but there have been problems.

If you are happy with this encounter, then good for you,
I wish you a good continuation.

I would not try to take anyones happiness from them,

Sometimes I do feel kind of Dizzy though, then I have to take a break,
yesterday I had my hands full trying to work out if it was Monday or Tuesday,

not sure what day it is today either.

Can be arkward sometimes, last time it happened it was almost a week. Haha.
No not haha, it is like time dissapears.

 

[AllanV]

Hi Allan,

Beneath all your words is the familiar circular thinking of many "true" Christians. i.e. The true spirit is needed to interpret in a "saving" sense, I have such saving sense, therefore I have the true spirit.

The Good Book tells us to "test everything to see whether it be of God". Such indeed takes discernment. A discernment that is ours as gift. It is relatively easy to test everything to see if it accords with our current views, but any efficacious discernment is pure gift, given freely, without favouritism. It is far beyond the "discernment" of self-commendation and presumption.

A saving sense is not discernment. When only a youngster my mind was quick enough to survive. Perhaps there was a guardian angel because sometimes a thought would come into my mind similar to intuition and I would obey it. This did seem to save me from a bad situation. As skills developed these were relied on to a greater extent.
Testing the Spirits
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,…

When the revelation of God occurred in the first instance I knew Jesus was true and did walk the earth to develop the mind of an immortal. Jesus was acceptable to God and has been raised from the dead.
God does not show favoritism and it is not known why the experience occurred except perhaps there was a receptiveness in the quiet surroundings of the property.

There is now an obligation to witness. There is no personal gain but it is now understood exactly what stands in the way of knowing God as He requests.
There is an increasing violence and destruction occurring and many vocalize justification for terrible acts.
It seems as though almost everyone is being taken over to play out their behaviors and can not draw back.
There are now two states apparently, one is likened to a predatory animal from a biological genetics. The other is an alternate Spirit that purifies the inner parts to the point where the old nature is not followed.

 

[AllanV]

If you are happy with this encounter, then good for you,
I wish you a good continuation.

I would not try to take anyones happiness from them,

Sometimes I do feel kind of Dizzy though, then I have to take a break,
yesterday I had my hands full trying to work out if it was Monday or Tuesday,

not sure what day it is today either.

Can be arkward sometimes, last time it happened it was almost a week. Haha.
No not haha, it is like time dissapears.

The Eternal God requests all know Him.
It may be a good to exercise a little and drink more water to reduce dehydration. Also don't take too much sugar.

 

[Robban]

The Eternal God requests all know Him.
It may be a good to exercise a little and drink more water to reduce dehydration. Also don't take too much sugar.

There you see, as Fatboys advised you, some things we need to keep under our hat,
otherwise other will take it from you.

Do you get it?

 

[Fizzywig]

A saving sense is not discernment. When only a youngster my mind was quick enough to survive. Perhaps there was a guardian angel because sometimes a thought would come into my mind similar to intuition and I would obey it. This did seem to save me from a bad situation. As skills developed these were relied on to a greater extent.
Testing the Spirits
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,…

When the revelation of God occurred in the first instance I knew Jesus was true and did walk the earth to develop the mind of an immortal. Jesus was acceptable to God and has been raised from the dead.
God does not show favoritism and it is not known why the experience occurred except perhaps there was a receptiveness in the quiet surroundings of the property.

There is now an obligation to witness. There is no personal gain but it is now understood exactly what stands in the way of knowing God as He requests.
There is an increasing violence and destruction occurring and many vocalize justification for terrible acts.
It seems as though almost everyone is being taken over to play out their behaviors and can not draw back.
There are now two states apparently, one is likened to a predatory animal from a biological genetics. The other is an alternate Spirit that purifies the inner parts to the point where the old nature is not followed.

Hi again Allan,

I did not actually equate "discernment" with a "saving sense". I linked discernment with "testing everything to see whether it be of God".

You still seem not to have broken away from the circular thinking that I alluded to. Perhaps because you see the "two states" as representing two distinct types of people, rather than states within us all to a greater or lesser degree.

I would say that you need a more "zen-like" recognition that various experience along the path are not to be clung to, but rather dismissed as irrelevant.

A saving sense is a simple trust in the very nature of reality-as-is that turns our path from that of working out our salvation in fear and trembling into more a labour of love.

 

[AllanV]

Hi again Allan,

I did not actually equate "discernment" with a "saving sense". I linked discernment with "testing everything to see whether it be of God".

You still seem not to have broken away from the circular thinking that I alluded to. Perhaps because you see the "two states" as representing two distinct types of people, rather than states within us all to a greater or lesser degree.

I would say that you need a more "zen-like" recognition that various experience along the path are not to be clung to, but rather dismissed as irrelevant.

A saving sense is a simple trust in the very nature of reality-as-is that turns our path from that of working out our salvation in fear and trembling into more a labour of love.

There are only two states. The biologically driven person will die. The other state that will bring immortality is to be entered and lead into by the spirit by a transformation within.

One state is where the personality with all manner of attachments whether realized or not interacts with another.
There are mostly hidden aspects that will appear and when they do surface they present difficulties.
Mostly it is a matter of the energy coming from the heart. Everyone has personal energy and there is an ebb an flow, times of strength and times of weakness and the interactions that are emotional and hormonal respond or react. Most people have been compromised at some time and learn to be hard.
It is all from out of a biologically driven life experience that develops a mentality which is predatory in the way it is able to get into another mind. There is nothing good in this activity because it is damaging.


The other state is where the mind is transformed and renewed and the heart and mind completely loses the hardness and usual bonding.
The natural mind can not comprehend the difference and Jesus has the example that can be attained.
This new state reveals the divine nature and God indwells.

Matthew 7:13-14
(13) "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[TreasureHunter12]

There are only two states. The biologically driven person will die. The other state that will bring immortality is to be entered and lead into by the spirit by a transformation within.

One state is where the personality with all manner of attachments whether realized or not interacts with another.
There are mostly hidden aspects that will appear and when they do surface they present difficulties.
Mostly it is a matter of the energy coming from the heart. Everyone has personal energy and there is an ebb an flow, times of strength and times of weakness and the interactions that are emotional and hormonal respond or react. Most people have been compromised at some time and learn to be hard.
It is all from out of a biologically driven life experience that develops a mentality which is predatory in the way it is able to get into another mind. There is nothing good in this activity because it is damaging.


The other state is where the mind is transformed and renewed and the heart and mind completely loses the hardness and usual bonding.
The natural mind can not comprehend the difference and Jesus has the example that can be attained.
This new state reveals the divine nature and God indwells.

Matthew 7:13-14
(13) "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Allan, I'm curious, how do you understand the resurrection of Jesus? Can you briefly respond what that means to you? I'm having trouble pinning down your overall understanding.

 

[AllanV]

Allan, I'm curious, how do you understand the resurrection of Jesus? Can you briefly respond what that means to you? I'm having trouble pinning down your overall understanding.

Jesus resisted the rebellious nature and was also without sin. When He was crucified on the cross He was raised immortal having then disarmed the power of Satan. Death is overcome.
From experience there is a way of crossing over in the mind to a place where the divine nature is found and then God will fully indwell.
The Love in the nature of Jesus is fully energized by God.

 

[Fizzywig]

There are only two states. The biologically driven person will die. The other state that will bring immortality is to be entered and lead into by the spirit by a transformation within.

One state is where the personality with all manner of attachments whether realized or not interacts with another.
There are mostly hidden aspects that will appear and when they do surface they present difficulties.
Mostly it is a matter of the energy coming from the heart. Everyone has personal energy and there is an ebb an flow, times of strength and times of weakness and the interactions that are emotional and hormonal respond or react. Most people have been compromised at some time and learn to be hard.
It is all from out of a biologically driven life experience that develops a mentality which is predatory in the way it is able to get into another mind. There is nothing good in this activity because it is damaging.


The other state is where the mind is transformed and renewed and the heart and mind completely loses the hardness and usual bonding.
The natural mind can not comprehend the difference and Jesus has the example that can be attained.
This new state reveals the divine nature and God indwells.

Matthew 7:13-14
(13) "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Once again, Hi Allan,

We seem to have reached the end of the road regarding this articular exchange. Unfortunately we have ended speaking AT each other rather than with each other. Sorry.

One wag once said:- There are only two kinds of people in the world, those who divide the world into two kinds of people and those who don't.

As far as "narrow gates" are concerned, nothing that I have said denies how narrow the gate is. It is just that I have the trust that reality-as-is is full of surprises.

All the best

 

[fatboys]

There are only two states. The biologically driven person will die. The other state that will bring immortality is to be entered and lead into by the spirit by a transformation within.

One state is where the personality with all manner of attachments whether realized or not interacts with another.
There are mostly hidden aspects that will appear and when they do surface they present difficulties.
Mostly it is a matter of the energy coming from the heart. Everyone has personal energy and there is an ebb an flow, times of strength and times of weakness and the interactions that are emotional and hormonal respond or react. Most people have been compromised at some time and learn to be hard.
It is all from out of a biologically driven life experience that develops a mentality which is predatory in the way it is able to get into another mind. There is nothing good in this activity because it is damaging.


The other state is where the mind is transformed and renewed and the heart and mind completely loses the hardness and usual bonding.
The natural mind can not comprehend the difference and Jesus has the example that can be attained.
This new state reveals the divine nature and God indwells.

Matthew 7:13-14
(13) "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Allen what is eternal life and does God have eternal life and how do we know that

 

[AllanV]

Allen what is eternal life and does God have eternal life and how do we know that

The scriptures can be read and it indicates the possibility but in the first instance my mind was opened up to Know God while doing some wood work.

A dream from the night before was remembered and then my body was increasingly energized in an exquisite way and my mind was given a lot of knowledge. My knees buckled and I could not get a breath because although not frightened it was a bit of a shock.
God drew my mind through a barrier and the mind of an immortal was shown within mine as a comparison and how and where my mind did not measure up. Immortality is entirely possible.

God is very close and is known just beyond and a little deeper than the mind that thoughts usually come from. God makes everything appear as seen instantly all the time. God is like an observer just beyond the natural mind and knows each by how they do not measure up.
The scripture says He covers Himself with light as with a garment and as the Apostle Paul wrote in acts 17:28 we all live and move and have our being in God. This is entirely true.

The realization occurred that Jesus is true and he did walk the earth to overcome Satan's hold within the mind.

I was shown how the earth is under an effect that takes everything back to base elements and there is decay. The human who is self willed and hard minded is tuned to the earth with its effect because God's Spirit is directed through a biological predatory rebellious nature. Every person is bonded in their mind with each other by familiar emotional responses making separation from God complete. Therefore this is why we have all the behaviors seen on this planet and why the body degenerates and ages. The oxidizing effects on the planet are within the cells as they mutate because the effects of God's Spirit is diminished.

Therefore the mind is in need of a renewal within it.

I was very excited and walked the distance to our dwelling and asked my wife if she had a bible. A small pocket Bible was produced and when it was read the first words were eternal life and my attention was taken.
Sleep escaped me for several nights and for three years full concepts of unlearned information were placed in my thoughts without effort.

The whole world view and perception is changed almost instantly in the experience. My work gave me a confidence and reliance with a strong belief in my own ability. This was some what reduced as there was a realization that most objectives are not that important.

There was an attempt to interact with the established churches but it became too difficult. It was energy depleting and the Spirit that had been given was diminished with the effort of understanding the different doctrines.

 

[expos4ever]

It is just that I have the trust that reality-as-is is full of surprises.

An important observation. The way that Jesus brings the narrative of Israel to a climax is indeed very surprising. The Jews of Jesus' day knew the Scriptures, at least to some degree, and were sure their story would go a certain way. They were mistaken.

We should take heed to not assume our Biblical interpretations are beyond the possibility of error.

 

[Fizzywig]

We should take heed to not assume our Biblical interpretations are beyond the possibility of error.

Quite true. Perhaps to the point that one day Christians will interpret the NT in line with the Jewish interpretation of the OT.

What a surprise!

 

[Rajni]

I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation.

There appears to be some diversity of belief in that area
within Christianity as a whole.

Even of two Christians worded it the same way, those
words can have different meanings. For instance, both
could claim "You have to trust Jesus as your Lord and
Savior". So on the surface they sound like they have
the same requirements. However, what Christian-A
believes is involved with that could be far different from
what Christian-B believes is involved in that.

I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.

I don't think any 'salvation' is needed. Our physical
bodies wear out, like clothing. We ourselves carry on,
probably chilling in a Paradise of some kind for a time,
and then we reincarnate again if we need / desire to.





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