I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation. I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.
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What does it take to have salvation?
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Christianities requirement for a salvation package is the image of a Judgmental God standing ready to send His own creation to Hell as well as a God that is separate and apart from life and all there is. I reject both views. When our body dies, it dies and goes back to the elements, which is a physical aspect of God. Than there's our Souls, the spiritual aspect of our being. Our Soul is an activity of God. And just as a bubble goes back into the Ocean when popped, our soul is absorbed back into the essence of God when our body dies. That's how I see things.
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I do not believe in a Christian concept of salvation. Once you die you spend eternity in the afterlife (or don't) and that's basically it. I can't conceptualize what I would need to be saved from, based on my experience of the world in my life.
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You need to understand Christianity. There is no "mainstream." Christianity is pure, exceptional, its roots and pathway solidly and straightforwardly laid out in Scripture. There is only ONE interpretation / application of Scripture. There are no variations in God's Message to us through Jesus, in the revelations made known today through the Holy Spirit.
Christianity's version of eternal salvation is the only applicable version.
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Do you have some compelling proof? Not using your own scripture, of course, as I do not believe it is canonical in the first place. That would somehow have to be proven to me.
But let's say that you do have some compelling proof; I'm not really sure what I think of a God who is so readily excited to condemn most of the souls he created for not believing very specific things about him. It just doesn't jive with what seems like an eternal being.
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The concept of "Salvation from the dead" is to me rather strange in that death itself can be a kind of liberation from the limitations of this life. Death isn't the "enemy"..something to be feared or to be repulsed by. In terms of research I'd recommend reading some of the works of Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross.
http://www.near-death.com/science/experts/elisabeth-kubler-ross.html
The next life to us is as mysterious as say a foetus imagining what life is like beyond the womb..Years ago I recall seeing a button for sale that read "Is there life after birth?"
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John 6:40
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:14-15
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."
Romans 3:21-24
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:14-15
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."
Romans 3:21-24
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
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I don't believe it's about "salvation". What we should be asked is: How can I make God a reality in my life? That's what it's about.
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Romans 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
God has revealed himself to you, whether you believe it or not. That you refuse to see Him or acknowledge Him is your issue, not God's.
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I see this as a good description of "salvation" from a spiritual, big picture perspective. From a human perspective, salvation can be conceptualized as conquering or overcoming suffering, or overcoming the world as Jesus says. That is two different perspectives with two different results of the same process.
I believe that only Jesus and Krishna have gone all the way and reached salvation. So far.
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Sorry but that still sounds like a cop out to me. Maybe he should have made me a believer then?
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