Galatians 3: Under The Law?

[disciple1]

I have a question. Say the old covenant/the law still stands/applies to us Christians today. Say that you are a new Christian, just brought into the faith through baptism, and therefore have accepted the forgiveness bought for you on the Cross. What happens next?

No one but Christ ever obeyed the law.
This is about law in old and new testament.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
And this is what you do because of the love God showed you in Christ.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[disciple1]

So you are saying that Christ came and did something that we are not able to? That's not what my Bible says...

Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Are you saying that Jesus was being dishonest in this passage? If He could keep the Law as you stated through faith and strength from His Father, are we not promised the same?

If we could obey the law, there was no purpose to Christ coming.


Galatians chapter 2
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[e]

 

[BABerean2]

So you are saying that Christ came and did something that we are not able to? That's not what my Bible says...

Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Are you saying that Jesus was being dishonest in this passage? If He could keep the Law as you stated through faith and strength from His Father, are we not promised the same?

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.



Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

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[EastCoastRemnant]

Are you claiming any man could have done what Christ did? Because uh, that's utter nonsense. No one without a perfect connection to and understanding of the Father could follow the Law without fail- Jesus was the only one who could. Even now, if you were to pick the most holy, most righteous, most in-tune with God man on the planet, he wouldn't be enough.

We have all sinned, so obviously couldn't be like Christ... but He has made a way, through His Spirit and Grace to impart to us right doing by us surrendering to His Will. Once self dies completely, then what God is doing in and through me is not my doing... understand? This not about me, it's about His power, His mercy and His will. The spiritual gifts we are promised through submission and petition, are what give us the ability to perfectly honour the Law as Jesus did.

What does receiving the Holy Spirit in power mean to you guys? Did not Christ receive the Spirit with power at His baptism? Was it not through supplication to His Father daily that gave Him the strength to withstand Satan's continuous plan to thwart the work of Christ? How will we be able to endure and remain faithful during the coming tribulation, a time of persecution that has never been witnessed before on this earth (think about that for a brief moment and let it sink in), if we don't surrender completely to His Spirit to receive the power? If you don't believe God is able, then how can you receive? Where's faith?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If we could obey the law, there was no purpose to Christ coming.

Quite the opposite, if the Law could have been changed then nobody would be guilty of sin and Jesus would not have had to die. John tells us that sin is the transgression of the Law... so no law, no sin. So in essence you are suggesting that there is no sin in the world today, at least not for loving people?`

Galatians chapter 2
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Nobody is saying that righteousness comes through the Law, it's only through faith in Christ... that's common knowledge for any Christian and a poor, worn out strawman.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Quite the opposite, if the Law could have been changed then nobody would be guilty of sin and Jesus would not have had to die. John tells us that sin is the transgression of the Law... so no law, no sin. So in essence you are suggesting that there is no sin in the world today, at least not for loving people?`




Nobody is saying that righteousness comes through the Law, it's only through faith in Christ... that's common knowledge for any Christian and a poor, worn out strawman.

Actually you are saying that it does because you are saying that if one breaks the Law then one is not righteous as you promote the Law as a standard of righteousness and your prophetess says one is damned (unrighteous) if they refuse to keep the Law (Sabbath commandment).

 

[disciple1]

Quite the opposite, if the Law could have been changed then nobody would be guilty of sin and Jesus would not have had to die. John tells us that sin is the transgression of the Law... so no law, no sin. So in essence you are suggesting that there is no sin in the world today, at least not for loving people?`




Nobody is saying that righteousness comes through the Law, it's only through faith in Christ... that's common knowledge for any Christian and a poor, worn out strawman.

Nobody is saying that righteousness comes through the Law, it's only through faith in Christ... that's common knowledge for any Christian and a poor, worn out strawman.

Galatians 2:18 (CJB) Indeed, if I build up again the legalistic bondage which I destroyed, I really do make myself a transgressor.
complete jewish bible
So this shows your worse off than not trying to obey the law.
And I don't try to obey the law, I just try to love, we're only born of god through love, not that we can love like god, and from every thing I read if we try to obey the law we're not under grace.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Actually you are saying that it does because you are saying that if one breaks the Law then one is not righteous as you promote the Law as a standard of righteousness and your prophetess says one is damned (unrighteous) if they refuse to keep the Law (Sabbath commandment).

In your understanding of salvation, if you sin and don't repent, are you blameless.... spotless? Or are you condemned by your unrepentant transgression?

 

[disciple1]

In your understanding of salvation, if you sin and don't repent, are you blameless.... spotless? Or are you condemned by your unrepentant transgression?

Matthew chapter 21

32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness,27 and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors28 and the prostitutes29 did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent30 and believe him.
Luke chapter 3

10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.

11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

 

[disciple1]

In your understanding of salvation, if you sin and don't repent, are you blameless.... spotless? Or are you condemned by your unrepentant transgression?

Nobody is saying that righteousness comes through the Law, it's only through faith in Christ... that's common knowledge for any Christian and a poor, worn out strawman.

In your understanding of salvation, if you sin and don't repent, are you blameless.... spotless? Or are you condemned by your unrepentant transgression?

Your not saying the same things in what your posting.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Matthew chapter 21

32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness,27 and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors28 and the prostitutes29 did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent30 and believe him.
Luke chapter 3

10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.

11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

Doesn't answer my question... not that I could discern anyway.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Your not saying the same things in what your posting.

I'm saying the same thing, you are not understanding what I'm saying, that's all.

We are Justified into Salvation through the redeeming blood of Christ... then comes the lifelong work of Sanctification. If you stumble and succumb to temptation and sin after you are saved, you still must repent and seek forgiveness for each and every time you stumble and fall. If we don't, we are no longer considered spotless... Christ's blood only covers us for our repented sins. Only through His Grace and the convicting power of His Holy Spirit is this possible.

 

[Sophrosyne]

In your understanding of salvation, if you sin and don't repent, are you blameless.... spotless? Or are you condemned by your unrepentant transgression?

Lets ask this instead... are you saved by faith in Christ or by repenting endless sins? I'm not condemned by the Law because I'm in Christ and blameless to its edicts.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I'm saying the same thing, you are not understanding what I'm saying, that's all.

We are Justified into Salvation through the redeeming blood of Christ... then comes the lifelong work of Sanctification. If you stumble and succumb to temptation and sin after you are saved, you still must repent and seek forgiveness for each and every time you stumble and fall. If we don't, we are no longer considered spotless... Christ's blood only covers us for our repented sins. Only through His Grace and the convicting power of His Holy Spirit is this possible.

By this ideology if you forget just one...... and only one... very tiny minor sin one is DAMNED. The Bible says nothing about repenting to be saved and it doesn't say that one loses salvation because of forgetting to repent. If one has no faith in Christ redeeming blood then repenting is worthless and basing salvation on faithless repentance has one nowhere.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Lets ask this instead... are you saved by faith in Christ or by repenting endless sins? I'm not condemned by the Law because I'm in Christ and blameless to its edicts.

A covenant requires two party participation...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

By this ideology if you forget just one...... and only one... very tiny minor sin one is DAMNED. The Bible says nothing about repenting to be saved and it doesn't say that one loses salvation because of forgetting to repent. If one has no faith in Christ redeeming blood then repenting is worthless and basing salvation on faithless repentance has one nowhere.

We are accountable for any known sin.... not to carry it around like a badge but to lay it at the feet of Christ. Of course the blood redeems but we are also part of this covenant and must ask to receive. Forgiveness is triggered by repentance... no repentance, your sin condemns you.

 

[BABerean2]

We are accountable for any known sin.... not to carry it around like a badge but to lay it at the feet of Christ. Of course the blood redeems but we are also part of this covenant and must ask to receive. Forgiveness is triggered by repentance... no repentance, your sin condemns you.

Can you explain why the following behavior is considered wrong by some modern Christians?

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

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[disciple1]

I'm saying the same thing, you are not understanding what I'm saying, that's all.

We are Justified into Salvation through the redeeming blood of Christ... then comes the lifelong work of Sanctification. If you stumble and succumb to temptation and sin after you are saved, you still must repent and seek forgiveness for each and every time you stumble and fall. If we don't, we are no longer considered spotless... Christ's blood only covers us for our repented sins. Only through His Grace and the convicting power of His Holy Spirit is this possible.

James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans chapter 4
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Can you explain why the following behavior is considered wrong by some modern Christians?

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

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I know this passage is believed to show that the transfer was made from the seventh day Sabbath to the first day. However, if you look carefully at the verse and understand that days were reckoned differently in Christ's time, you will see this event happened at the end of Sabbath sundown. After Sabbath was ended, upon (beginning) the first day, the disciples gathered for a meal and Paul taught them for a few hours til midnight. Paul was departing on the morrow, the continuation of the first day of the week... Sunday morning to us.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.

If you or I commit adultery, steal, murder, idolize, not keep Sabbath etc, we are guilt of sin, are we not... well obviously, you don't ascribe to the last tenet even though it holds the same weight and was written in the same stone by the same finger that the other nine were.

Romans chapter 4
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

Great example showing that Abraham was not justified through works but through faith, just as we are. Was Abraham obedient to all God had asked of him? of course, the same as we are to be obedient to all God has asked of us.

This concept is impossible to grasp, I believe, unless one realizes that the Decalogue given at Sinai is the same Commandments that Christ gave. The summation of the 10 is in the 2 given by Christ because they can now be seen in their spiritual light. Did not Abraham obey God's Commandments because of love and reverence for Him? This is the failure of the Israelites as a nation, they never came to the realization that the Commandments were not grievous. Look at how David spoke of the Law... he understood that it was the basis for our relationship with God, that it was based on God's Love.