Galatians 3: Under The Law?

[Vine and Branches]

Note: If you want to debate this issue, please read through this commentary or just about enough to grasp the meaning of this thread. Thank you!

Before we begin this commentary on Galatians 3, I would like to establish a foundation on a certain scripture:

2 Peter 3:16-17 KJV - "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked [lawless in other translations such as the NIV, NLT, ESV, BSB, BLB, HCSB, ISV, and the ABPE], fall from your own stedfastness."

Paul’s letters could be misunderstood by those who are unlearned and unstable in the Scriptures. During the time of Paul, the only Scriptures that they had were the Tanakh and some of his letters up to that point. When the Scriptures are misunderstood by those who do not know the them, they will twist it to their destruction and it will lead to lawlessness.

1 John 3:4 KJV - "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

Since sin is transgression of Torah, these people Peter was talking about were misunderstanding the Tanakh and Paul’s letters which lead them to twist it to their destruction and to transgress Torah. Therefore we can say that Scriptures can be misunderstood to allow transgression of Torah if someone is unlearned or unstable in it.

Galatians 3:1 KJV - "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?"

Galatians 3:2 KJV - "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Galatians 3:3 KJV - "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"

Galatians 3:4 KJV - "Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain."

Galatians 3:5 KJV - "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

The Galatians believed that observing Torah would provide the Spirit, perfection, and miracles. In fact, this is the context of the entire letter. In reality, these things come only through the blood of Yeshua HaMashiach. Without this context, one may be swayed to think that the fault of the Galatians was observing Torah. Remember, one must understand the Scriptures to fully understand Paul’s letters.

Galatians 3:6 KJV - "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Galatians 3:7 KJV - "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham."

Galatians 3:8 KJV - "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."

Galatians 3:9 KJV - "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."

Abraham’s belief in YHWH made him righteous, not his works. Remember, the whole context of Galatians 3 is works-based faith, not faith-based works. YHWH justified the Gentiles through faith which grafted us into Israel. We now are blessed, with Abraham, by YHWH because of faith. Again, our works do not justify.

Galatians 3:10 KJV - "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

What does it mean to be “of the works of the law”? Remember the context? The Galatians were trying to receive atonement through Torah. If we apply this context to this scripture then we will see that the Galatians were under Torah for atonement and have not been redeemed by the curse like believers have as seen in Galatians 3:13. They would have to observe Torah perfectly to attain atonement, which by definition is impossible. So what is this curse? It cannot be Torah because it blesses those who keep it according to Psalm 119:1-2:

Psalm 119:1-2 KJV - "ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart."

In fact, the answer is in Galatians 3:13. Notice how it says the “curse of the law”. That has nothing to do with Torah being a curse, but rather it has a curse that Yeshua redeemed us from. Torah has both blessings and curses as seen in Deuteronomy 28. But again, what is this so called curse? Consider Romans 6:23, Romans 8:2, and Hebrews 9:22:

Romans 6:23 KJV - "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Hebrews 9:22 KJV - "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

As we see in these scriptures, we are no longer under the law of sin and death which is a certain curse in Torah that requires a sin sacrifice to atone for sin. The problem was, the Israelites had to continually sacrifice animals. YHWH sent Yeshua to perform a sacrifice that would satisfy the law of sin and death once and for all. If the law of sin and death and the curse of Torah are the same things that Yeshua redeemed us from and if we concluded that was Torah, that would be saying that the Torah was a curse.

Galatians 3:11 KJV - "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

Galatians 3:12 KJV - "And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."

Again, these scriptures reinforce the context of Galatians. We are not justified by Torah. But what does Galatians 3:12 mean? Just like in Galatians 3:10, if you observe Torah for atonement, you must live in them and attain your own atonement through them.

Galatians 3:13 KJV - "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"

As noted in former comments, the curse of Torah is the law of sin and death, not Torah itself.

Galatians 3:14 KJV - "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Through Yeshua HaMashiach we are heirs of Abraham as noted in Galatians 3:7. Because he “hanged on a tree” in Galatians 3:13, we now have access to the Spirit through faith in Him.

Galatians 3:15 KJV - "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto."

We must not take away or add to from the Messianic covenant which came through the Abrahamic covenant.

Galatians 3:16 KJV - "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

There is one body, one seed, one congregation, one assembly, and one family of Messiah. It is not Israel or “church”, because Israel is the “church”. Stephen even refers to Israel as the “church” in Acts 7:38:

Acts 7:38 KJV - "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

This “church” in the wilderness obviously refers to Israel. “Church” simply means congregation or assembly.

Galatians 3:17 KJV - "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect."

Galatians 3:18 KJV - "For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

Abraham’s inheritance or promise was due to his faith, not due to his works just like in Galatians 3:6-9.

Galatians 3:19 KJV - "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

We now know which law Paul refers to based on context. For example, this cannot refer to Torah. Look what happens when I insert the words “Torah”:

"Wherefore then serveth Torah? It was added because of breaking Torah..."

Huh? The Torah was added because people broke Torah? How could people break Torah when it has not even been added yet to begin with? So in context, this “law” cannot mean Torah but another law. Look what happens when I insert the word “law of sin and death”:

"Wherefore then serveth the law of sin and death? It was added because of breaking Torah..."

Now that makes sense! The requirement of blood for breaking Torah was revealed after because people broke it. Therefore, it was active until Yeshua HaMashiach came and took it upon himself. This is similar to Romans 8:2 and Galatians 3:13. This reinforces the context of Yeshua taking on the law of sin and death.

Galatians 3:20 KJV - "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

Galatians 3:21 KJV - "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law."

If Torah could provide atonement, it should have been the method of righteousness.

Galatians 3:22 KJV - "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe."

Now we are switching gears from Torah, to the law of sin and death. Does this mean the the law of sin and death is sin? No, it is the result of sin. If this was referring to Torah, that would be equating Torah to sin which would contradict Romans 7:7. We were all under the law of sin and death until Yeshua HaMashiach came and took it upon himself for those that would believe.

Galatians 3:23 KJV - "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

Galatians 3:24 KJV - "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

Galatians 3:25 KJV - "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Remember context? The only thing seen in Galatians 3 that Yeshua HaMashiach has been redeeming us from is the law of sin and death. Before Yeshua came, we were under the law of sin and death, which was caused by sin, or breaking Torah as seen in Galatians 3:22. So why would Paul then change the context in the respect of us not being under Torah now? The whole chapter has been about faith-based works versus works-based faith and the freedom from the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death was our schoolmaster because it taught us that there is a consequence for sin. This would make us hesitant to sin and teach us not to. Now, we must understand that it is not just about not sinning, but about not wanting to sin. Consider Jeremiah 31:33 and Matthew 15:8:

Jeremiah 31:33 KJV - "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Matthew 15:8 KJV - "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."

We must have Torah in our hearts and minds, we no longer need the law of sin and death to teach us because now we have a true desire to observe Torah which came through Yeshua HaMashiach, not because we are scared of a consequence. We are no

Galatians 3:26 KJV - "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

Galatians 3:27 KJV - "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

Galatians 3:28 KJV - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Galatians 3:29 KJV - "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

We are all the seed of Abraham and the children of YHWH through Yeshua. In the body of Messiah and according to YHWH, there are not Jewish, Gentile, enslaved, free, male, or female believers. This does not mean that those are not characteristics in the natural world, but according to YHWH and Yeshua we are all one body of like-minded believers in Messiah.

 

[bugkiller]

Note: If you want to debate this issue, please read through this commentary or just about enough to grasp the meaning of this thread. Thank you!

Before we begin this commentary on Galatians 3, I would like to establish a foundation on a certain scripture:

2 Peter 3:16-17 KJV - "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked [lawless in other translations such as the NIV, NLT, ESV, BSB, BLB, HCSB, ISV, and the ABPE], fall from your own stedfastness."

Paul’s letters could be misunderstood by those who are unlearned and unstable in the Scriptures. During the time of Paul, the only Scriptures that they had were the Tanakh and some of his letters up to that point. When the Scriptures are misunderstood by those who do not know the them, they will twist it to their destruction and it will lead to lawlessness.

1 John 3:4 KJV - "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

Since sin is transgression of Torah, these people Peter was talking about were misunderstanding the Tanakh and Paul’s letters which lead them to twist it to their destruction and to transgress Torah. Therefore we can say that Scriptures can be misunderstood to allow transgression of Torah if someone is unlearned or unstable in it.

Galatians 3:1 KJV - "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?"

Galatians 3:2 KJV - "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Galatians 3:3 KJV - "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"

Galatians 3:4 KJV - "Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain."

Galatians 3:5 KJV - "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

The Galatians believed that observing Torah would provide the Spirit, perfection, and miracles. In fact, this is the context of the entire letter. In reality, these things come only through the blood of Yeshua HaMashiach. Without this context, one may be swayed to think that the fault of the Galatians was observing Torah. Remember, one must understand the Scriptures to fully understand Paul’s letters.

Galatians 3:6 KJV - "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Galatians 3:7 KJV - "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham."

Galatians 3:8 KJV - "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."

Galatians 3:9 KJV - "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."

Abraham’s belief in YHWH made him righteous, not his works. Remember, the whole context of Galatians 3 is works-based faith, not faith-based works. YHWH justified the Gentiles through faith which grafted us into Israel. We now are blessed, with Abraham, by YHWH because of faith. Again, our works do not justify.

Galatians 3:10 KJV - "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

What does it mean to be “of the works of the law”? Remember the context? The Galatians were trying to receive atonement through Torah. If we apply this context to this scripture then we will see that the Galatians were under Torah for atonement and have not been redeemed by the curse like believers have as seen in Galatians 3:13. They would have to observe Torah perfectly to attain atonement, which by definition is impossible. So what is this curse? It cannot be Torah because it blesses those who keep it according to Psalm 119:1-2:

Psalm 119:1-2 KJV - "ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart."

In fact, the answer is in Galatians 3:13. Notice how it says the “curse of the law”. That has nothing to do with Torah being a curse, but rather it has a curse that Yeshua redeemed us from. Torah has both blessings and curses as seen in Deuteronomy 28. But again, what is this so called curse? Consider Romans 6:23, Romans 8:2, and Hebrews 9:22:

Romans 6:23 KJV - "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Hebrews 9:22 KJV - "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

As we see in these scriptures, we are no longer under the law of sin and death which is a certain curse in Torah that requires a sin sacrifice to atone for sin. The problem was, the Israelites had to continually sacrifice animals. YHWH sent Yeshua to perform a sacrifice that would satisfy the law of sin and death once and for all. If the law of sin and death and the curse of Torah are the same things that Yeshua redeemed us from and if we concluded that was Torah, that would be saying that the Torah was a curse.

Galatians 3:11 KJV - "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

Galatians 3:12 KJV - "And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."

Again, these scriptures reinforce the context of Galatians. We are not justified by Torah. But what does Galatians 3:12 mean? Just like in Galatians 3:10, if you observe Torah for atonement, you must live in them and attain your own atonement through them.

Galatians 3:13 KJV - "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"

As noted in former comments, the curse of Torah is the law of sin and death, not Torah itself.

Galatians 3:14 KJV - "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Through Yeshua HaMashiach we are heirs of Abraham as noted in Galatians 3:7. Because he “hanged on a tree” in Galatians 3:13, we now have access to the Spirit through faith in Him.

Galatians 3:15 KJV - "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto."

We must not take away or add to from the Messianic covenant which came through the Abrahamic covenant.

Galatians 3:16 KJV - "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

There is one body, one seed, one congregation, one assembly, and one family of Messiah. It is not Israel or “church”, because Israel is the “church”. Stephen even refers to Israel as the “church” in Acts 7:38:

Acts 7:38 KJV - "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

This “church” in the wilderness obviously refers to Israel. “Church” simply means congregation or assembly.

Galatians 3:17 KJV - "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect."

Galatians 3:18 KJV - "For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

Abraham’s inheritance or promise was due to his faith, not due to his works just like in Galatians 3:6-9.

Galatians 3:19 KJV - "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

We now know which law Paul refers to based on context. For example, this cannot refer to Torah. Look what happens when I insert the words “Torah”:

"Wherefore then serveth Torah? It was added because of breaking Torah..."

Huh? The Torah was added because people broke Torah? How could people break Torah when it has not even been added yet to begin with? So in context, this “law” cannot mean Torah but another law. Look what happens when I insert the word “law of sin and death”:

"Wherefore then serveth the law of sin and death? It was added because of breaking Torah..."

Now that makes sense! The requirement of blood for breaking Torah was revealed after because people broke it. Therefore, it was active until Yeshua HaMashiach came and took it upon himself. This is similar to Romans 8:2 and Galatians 3:13. This reinforces the context of Yeshua taking on the law of sin and death.

Galatians 3:20 KJV - "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

Galatians 3:21 KJV - "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law."

If Torah could provide atonement, it should have been the method of righteousness.

Galatians 3:22 KJV - "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe."

Now we are switching gears from Torah, to the law of sin and death. Does this mean the the law of sin and death is sin? No, it is the result of sin. If this was referring to Torah, that would be equating Torah to sin which would contradict Romans 7:7. We were all under the law of sin and death until Yeshua HaMashiach came and took it upon himself for those that would believe.

Galatians 3:23 KJV - "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

Galatians 3:24 KJV - "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

Galatians 3:25 KJV - "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Remember context? The only thing seen in Galatians 3 that Yeshua HaMashiach has been redeeming us from is the law of sin and death. Before Yeshua came, we were under the law of sin and death, which was caused by sin, or breaking Torah as seen in Galatians 3:22. So why would Paul then change the context in the respect of us not being under Torah now? The whole chapter has been about faith-based works versus works-based faith and the freedom from the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death was our schoolmaster because it taught us that there is a consequence for sin. This would make us hesitant to sin and teach us not to. Now, we must understand that it is not just about not sinning, but about not wanting to sin. Consider Jeremiah 31:33 and Matthew 15:8:

Jeremiah 31:33 KJV - "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Matthew 15:8 KJV - "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."

We must have Torah in our hearts and minds, we no longer need the law of sin and death to teach us because now we have a true desire to observe Torah which came through Yeshua HaMashiach, not because we are scared of a consequence. We are no

Galatians 3:26 KJV - "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

Galatians 3:27 KJV - "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

Galatians 3:28 KJV - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Galatians 3:29 KJV - "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

We are all the seed of Abraham and the children of YHWH through Yeshua. In the body of Messiah and according to YHWH, there are not Jewish, Gentile, enslaved, free, male, or female believers. This does not mean that those are not characteristics in the natural world, but according to YHWH and Yeshua we are all one body of like-minded believers in Messiah.

First thing I would like to know what is the purpose of your thread?

bugkiller

 

[Vine and Branches]

First thing I would like to know what is the purpose of your thread?

bugkiller

It is under the "Sabbath and Law" forum, I wanted to share my commentary in Galatians 3.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Do I have permission to copy and use this? It is an excellent study of Galatians 3 and will help in removing the confusion around this issue.

 

[Vine and Branches]

Do I have permission to copy and use this? It is an excellent study of Galatians 3 and will help in removing the confusion around this issue.

No problem! I would love for people to share this!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Thanx!

Btw, welcome to the forums... I can see you're going to be an asset to the cause of truth on here.

 

[Vine and Branches]

Thanx!

Btw, welcome to the forums... I can see you're going to be an asset to the cause of truth on here.

Thank you! I hope to increase the Kingdom of YHWH!

 

[Bob S]

Is the following hard to understand?
2Cor3:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Thank you my dear Savior for giving me the gift of the Holy Spirit as my guide and not an incomplete set of rules on old cold stones. I will allow the Holy Spirit to guide me into righteous living. Thank you Lord for Your word.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Is the following hard to understand?
2Cor3:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Thank you my dear Savior for giving me the gift of the Holy Spirit as my guide and not an incomplete set of rules on old cold stones. I will allow the Holy Spirit to guide me into righteous living. Thank you Lord for Your word.

Seems to me the "transitory" spoken of here was the sacrificial system that atoned for sin. The 'glory of that which lasts' is Jesus' sacrifice. So the Law remains the same but the atonement found a better substitute, a permanent substitute for our sins which are revealed through the same Law.

 

[Bob S]

Seems to me the "transitory" spoken of here was the sacrificial system that atoned for sin. The 'glory of that which lasts' is Jesus' sacrifice. So the Law remains the same but the atonement found a better substitute, a permanent substitute for our sins which are revealed through the same Law.

Yep, just as I expected, someone would take what is very plain and do the twist.

It plainly says that the 10 were transitory. Where does it mention the "sacrificial system" in the 10? Paul is not here mentioning Jesus sacrifice. He is telling us that the Holy Spirit is replacing the ministry of death, the 10 commandments. The Holy Spirit is more glorious than the 10 commandments. It is the Glory that will last. The 10 were only transitory because the Israelites broke the covenant thus Jesus gave us a new covenant unlike the one given to Israel. Understand?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yep, just as I expected, someone would take what is very plain and do the twist.

It plainly says that the 10 were transitory. Where does it mention the "sacrificial system" in the 10? Paul is not here mentioning Jesus sacrifice. He is telling us that the Holy Spirit is replacing the ministry of death, the 10 commandments. The Holy Spirit is more glorious than the 10 commandments. It is the Glory that will last. The 10 were only transitory because the Israelites broke the covenant thus Jesus gave us a new covenant unlike the one given to Israel. Understand?

How does that reconcile with the Law being righteous and good and holy and enduring forever? The only thing that changed brother, was the means of atoning for sin.

 

[Bob S]

How does that reconcile with the Law being righteous and good and holy and enduring forever? The only thing that changed brother, was the means of atoning for sin.

I see you did not try to defend your prior statement, but came up with a question. I know the game.

It was righteous and good, but all it could do is condemn those who did not keep it. It could not save them from sin. To all of the Israelites who broke the law it became the law of sin and death, thus the ministry of death. The ministry of death was temporary. It ended at the Cross or as Paul wrote in Gal 3 with Christ. Of course under your current state of mind you will not consider my reasoning because you have been brainwashed to believe differently, I understand that,

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It was righteous and good, but all it could do is condemn those who did not keep it. It could not save them from sin. To all of the Israelites who broke the law it became the law of sin and death, thus the ministry of death. The ministry of death was temporary. It ended at the Cross or as Paul wrote in Gal 3 with Christ. Of course under your current state of mind you will not consider my reasoning because you have been brainwashed to believe differently, I understand that,

No, it condemn all because we are all sinners... it still condemns sinners which is why we need the atoning blood of Christ, even today.

Of course the Law could never save anyone. The sacrificial system was put in place until the perfect atonement could be made in Christ dying on the cross. The same Law that condemned Cain is the same Law that condemns us when we sin... they had the promise of a coming Saviour to save them we have the reality.

 

[Bob S]

How does that reconcile with the Law being righteous and good and holy and enduring forever? The only thing that changed brother, was the means of atoning for sin.

Look friend, I was not the one who wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary. I guess you need to take your argument to Paul or Jesus who appointed Paul as His spokes person. I do know the old Covenant was replaced with a new and better covenant, so I respectfully submit to you that the old covenant was not a forever covenant just as many other forever things found in the old testament.

Genesis 13:15
All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever.

Exodus 32:13
Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.’”

Joshua 4:7
tell them that the flow of the Jordan was cut off before the ark of the covenant of the Lord. When it crossed the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. These stones are to be a memorial to the people of Israel forever.”

1 Samuel 2:30
“Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.’ But now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained.

1 Kings 1:31
Then Bathsheba bowed down with her face to the ground, prostrating herself before the king, and said, “May my lord King David live forever!”

1 Kings 2:45
But King Solomon will be blessed, and David’s throne will remain secure before the Lord forever.”

Need I go on?

 

[BobRyan]

It is under the "Sabbath and Law" forum, I wanted to share my commentary in Galatians 3.

He wants to know if you are opposing God's Commandments or not -- specifically the 4th commandment.

 

[bugkiller]

It is under the "Sabbath and Law" forum, I wanted to share my commentary in Galatians 3.

Ok, but why did you want to share it?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

How does that reconcile with the Law being righteous and good and holy and enduring forever? The only thing that changed brother, was the means of atoning for sin.

The same way Jer 31:31-33 does.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No, it condemn all because we are all sinners... it still condemns sinners which is why we need the atoning blood of Christ, even today.

Of course the Law could never save anyone. The sacrificial system was put in place until the perfect atonement could be made in Christ dying on the cross. The same Law that condemned Cain is the same Law that condemns us when we sin... they had the promise of a coming Saviour to save them we have the reality.

The law nor the enemy or enemies of my soul can't condemn me a Christian according to -

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans

bugkiller

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Look friend, I was not the one who wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary. I guess you need to take your argument to Paul or Jesus who appointed Paul as His spokes person. I do know the old Covenant was replaced with a new and better covenant, so I respectfully submit to you that the old covenant was not a forever covenant just as many other forever things found in the old testament.

I agree with you... the old covenant, which involved the sacrificial system to atone for men's sins was made better in the new covenant by atonement through Christ. But the Law stands in both covenants to convict us of our need of a Saviour... in the OT a promise, to us the fulfillment and present Spirit of Christ..

 

[Bob S]

I agree with you... the old covenant, which involved the sacrificial system to atone for men's sins was made better in the new covenant by atonement through Christ. But the Law stands in both covenants to convict us of our need of a Saviour... in the OT a promise, to us the fulfillment and present Spirit of Christ..

You once again use "but". There is no but in 2Cor 3. The Holy Spirit has replaced the 10 commandments. You are free to disbelieve and so far you have made that quite clear. The sacrificial system has nothing to do with the 10 commandments.

Yes, Paul tells us that the schoolmaster law is what convicts man of the need of Jesus. Lets get serious about what is in the law that convicts the heart. Man is not so stupid as to believe that the law concerning the wearing of tassels or two different fibers in clothing have anything to do with the need of salvation. The same goes for commemorating days, weeks, months or years. Those rituals were for Israel only. The remainder of mankind only know the God given instinct of doing right to one another. That was and is the law given to all mankind. Gentiles around the world may not know the Jesus we know from the Holy writ, they do know right from wrong and the need of a higher being. Jesus has commissioned us to spread the good news so that they might know to whom to go to for salvation.