LDS Which Church Really Saves?

[Four Angels Standing]

Nope. But saying the Father had intimate relations with the virgin Mary to produce Jesus, isn't kind either.

Are we to respond in a way that is eye for an eye? Or are we to turn the other cheek?

 

[Ironhold]

The entire Book of Abraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

This is NOT rocket science.

You can't drop a link down and say it's done.

That's bad debate technique.

 

[Ironhold]

Well why don't you address the Book of Abraham problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

if your church is the 'only true' church, it should not be hard.

Any reason why you felt the need to forcibly shift the topic?

That being said, here's one reference you can begin examining -

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Abraham.shtml

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

[citation needed]

We don't let people slide with just making accusations; we want details.

Are you denying the hieroglyphics that mormons claim the Book of Abraham is translated from wasn't proven to be fraudulent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham. It seems that you're losing quite a bit of mormon claims lately when you ask for citations. Are you really that lacking on knowledge of your churches fraudulent history?
http://cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/book-of-abraham.html

 

[ToBeLoved]

Are we to respond in a way that is eye for an eye? Or are we to turn the other cheek?

Titus 1:9
9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

Maybe you should defend you Savior and His Holy Name also.

 

[Ironhold]

If only scriptures are officially sanctioned, why aren't only scriptures used in teaching the members? The lesson manuals have been approved and published and distributed by your church.

• “The elect of God comprise a very select group, an inner circle of faithful members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the portion of church members who are striving with all their hearts to keep the fulness of the gospel law in this life so that they can become inheritors of the fulness of gospel rewards in the life to come” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 217).
  Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, (2000), Chapter 19, Eternal life, 51–52

Election has to be earned.

https://www.lds.org/manual/sunday-school?lang=eng

Somehow, I'm not seeing that manual listed on the church website.

 

[Ironhold]

You ignore the truth when the citation is given; you often just become silent.

[citation needed]

 

[Ironhold]

The fact is the book of Abraham is a fraud should also prove the translation of those elusive missing golden tablets are a fraud knowing they were "translated" by the same charlatan Joey Smith.

Guess I'm going to have to keep posting this until someone reads it.

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Abraham.shtml

 

[Ironhold]

I'm not wasting my time.

Then you lose.

It's that simple.

In a proper debate, "failure to back up one's claims" is viewed the same as admitting defeat.

 

[Ironhold]

That it was actually taught is now denied because it isn't deemed official church doctrine?

...Except, critics keep claiming that certain things were doctrinal when they never were.

Is temple garments, particularly under garments, official church doctrine?

The temple garments have the same essential function as clerical vestments in most denominations.

They're generally a topic of discussion because critics of the church love the shock value they generate by mocking and even desecrating them.

Yes - desecrating.

It's happened before to where a critic of the church got their hands on a set, went up to Temple Square, and wiped their butt in public with them. (for obvious reasons, I'm not posting photos)

Mind telling me, anyone, how an incident like that reflects the light of Christ?

 

[Ironhold]

Nope. But saying the Father had intimate relations with the virgin Mary to produce Jesus, isn't kind either.

Young simply said that what happened took place via "natural" means.

Crack open a science textbook and you'll see all sorts of possible definitions for "natural means".

 

[Ironhold]

That's not very kind is it?

No, but quite a few individuals inside mainline Christianity have decided that we Mormons are vermin who need to be exterminated Holocaust-style if we can't be converted.

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago I saw someone online advocating that the government needed to send the military into SLC, dismantle the temple brick-by-brick, and kill anyone who didn't swear a loyalty oath to the United States.

 

[Ironhold]

Titus 1:9
9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

Maybe you should defend you Savior and His Holy Name also.

It should say something when your co-religionists deem your actions to be beyond the pale.

 

[ToBeLoved]

No, but quite a few individuals inside mainline Christianity have decided that we Mormons are vermin who need to be exterminated Holocaust-style if we can't be converted.

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago I saw someone online advocating that the government needed to send the military into SLC, dismantle the temple brick-by-brick, and kill anyone who didn't swear a loyalty oath to the United States.

Wow! What a story. Is there a petition somewhere?

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

Guess I'm going to have to keep posting this until someone reads it.

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Abraham.shtml

If it's not written by a independent unbiased scholar it's pretty much LDS fallacy.

But as you I'll continue to post this factual scientific study written by a 6th generation mormon.

http://cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/book-of-abraham.html

 

[John Davidson]

Which sacraments are part of the salvation process?

Baptism and The Lords Supper:

The apostle Peter in his epistle stated that baptism does save us.

Jesus also stated that whoever eats his flesh and drinks his blood has eternal life.

 

[John Davidson]

I never heard of that and I took Luther's Catechism. So do they still believe it is a symbol of Christ or actually Christ;s body and blood?

Lutherans believe the same as Catholics.....that the elements are literally the body and blood of Jesus.

The difference with Lutherans is that they believe that the elements also remain bread and wine at the same time.

Where Catholics believe the elements have completely changed and no longer remain bread and wine but are ONLY the body and blood.

 

[John Davidson]

I never heard of that and I took Luther's Catechism. So do they still believe it is a symbol of Christ or actually Christ;s body and blood?

Also, here is some links to the Lutheran doctrine:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramental_union

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist_in_Lutheranism

 

[John Davidson]

Which is called the life preserver? The person who threw it, or the ring they grab ahold of which saves their life?

Exactly. They are one in purpose. As are Christ and the church.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

Baptism and The Lords Supper:

The apostle Peter in his epistle stated that baptism does save us.

Jesus also stated that whoever eats his flesh and drinks his blood has eternal life.

No that is not true because the bible disagrees with that fallacy....


Eph 2 :
5 Even when we were dead by sins, hath quickened us together in Christ, by whose grace ye are saved,
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 That he might show in the ages to come the exceeding riches of his grace through his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.

Oh and the thief on the cross did nothing but believe in Christ, he didn't eats his flesh and drinks his blood and most certainly wasn't Baptized.