LDS Which Church Really Saves?

[ToBeLoved]

Ridiculous.

I can't prove the groom wasn't their version of Bozo the Clown either but that doesn't make Bozo the groom. The things some of these people will do to get a following are at the very least entertaining.

It would seem so until ........ they say the Father in a human body had intimate relations with Mary to produce Jesus and that Jesus was a polygamist with 3 wives.

But this is the hidden doctrine.

Another one is that Adam was the Arch-angel Michael and did a wonderful thing by eating the fruit in the Garden.

That Jesus became God after He died with no sin. Before that He was not God.

Then it's blasphemous. Over the top blasphemy that discounts our entire faith.

 

[Galilee63]

Jesus Himself is His Church and it is Jesus Whom saves Souls when appearing before Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit in God's Truth that flows through us during His Judgement and in God's wrath. School Principals, Teachers, Parents, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles or Carers/Adults, Older siblings - God gave us all these opportunities to get it right and obey as greatly as possible His Commandments 'with repentance regularly to Jesus in heartfelt remorse' for wrongdoings in order to receive Jesus' Mercy, His Divine Mercy now and at the hour of death (earth) and judgement.

Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit save souls through souls/people turning to Jesus in remorse for one's own sins to Jesus and His Divine Mercy of which Jesus descended to earth, suffered, died and ascended into Heaven in order for souls to be given in Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit's Holy Will, the opportunity to receive Jesus' Divine Mercy now and eternally. God The Most High spoke of Jesus, His Messiah forthcoming with His Mercy for mankind - those of whom turn to Jesus during earthly lifetimes to be given the opportunity to receive His Mercy.

Jesus delivered His Divine Mercy Chaplet and Novena to Saint Sister Faustina and below are Jesus' Holy Words of which mention Jesus' Church.

Church is necessary to receive Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit's Blessed Holy Sacraments, Holy Eucharist and to confess our sins in remorse to Jesus Himself as He is Present through His Religious and Christian Clergies - manifested within His Holy Tabernacles and Blessed Sacrament - working through His Priests and Religious - Jesus explains this to Saint Faustina and so many other Saints Jesus and Mother Mary have appeared each Century.

Day Five - Jesus refers to His Sacred Heart - His Church.

Divine Mercy Novena Prayers
First Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me ALL MANKIND, ESPECIALLY ALL SINNERS, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. In this way you will console Me in the bitter grief into which the loss of souls plunges Me.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, whose very nature it is to have compassion on us and to forgive us, do not look upon our sins but upon our trust which we place in Your infinite goodness. Receive us all into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart, and never let us escape from It. We beg this of You by Your love which unites You to the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon all mankind and especially upon poor sinners, all enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion show us Your mercy, that we may praise the omnipotence of Your mercy for ever and ever.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Second Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me THE SOULS OF PRIESTS AND RELIGIOUS, and immerse them in My unfathomable mercy. It was they who gave Me strength to endure My bitter Passion. Through them as through channels My mercy flows out upon mankind.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, from whom comes all that is good, increase Your grace in men and women consecrated to Your service,* that they may perform worthy works of mercy; and that all who see them may glorify the Father of Mercy who is in heaven.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the company of chosen ones in Your vineyard–upon the souls of priests and religious; and endow them with the strength of Your blessing. For the love of the Heart of Your Son in which they are enfolded, impart to them Your power and light, that they may be able to guide others in the way of salvation and with one voice sing praise to Your boundless mercy for ages without end.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Third Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me ALL DEVOUT AND FAITHFUL SOULS, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. The souls brought Me consolation on the Way of the Cross. They were that drop of consolation in the midst of an ocean of bitterness.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, from the treasury of Your mercy, You impart Your graces in great abundance to each and all. Receive us into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart and never let us escape from It. We beg this grace of You by that most wonderous love for the heavenly Father with which Your Heart burns so fiercely.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon faithful souls, as upon the inheritance of Your Son. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, grant them Your blessing and surround them with Your constant protection. Thus may they never fail in love or lose the treasure of the holy faith, but rather, with all the hosts of Angels and Saints, may they glorify Your boundless mercy for endless ages.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Fourth Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD* AND THOSE WHO DO NOT YET KNOW ME. I was thinking also of them during My bitter Passion, and their future zeal comforted My Heart. Immerse them in the ocean of My mercy.

Novena Prayers: Most compassionate Jesus, You are the Light of the whole world. Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of those who do not believe in God and of those who as yet do not know You. Let the rays of Your grace enlighten them that they, too, together with us, may extol Your wonderful mercy; and do not let them escape from the abode which is Your Most Compassionate Heart.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of those who do not believe in You, and of those who as yet do not know You, but who are enclosed in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. Draw them to the light of the Gospel. These souls do not know what great happiness it is to love You. Grant that they, too, may extol the generosity of Your mercy for endless ages.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Fifth Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me THE SOULS OF THOSE WHO HAVE SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM MY CHURCH, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. During My bitter Passion they tore at My Body and Heart, that is, My Church. As they return to unity with the Church, My wounds heal and in this way they alleviate My Passion.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, Goodness Itself, You do not refuse light to those who seek it of You. Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of those who have separated themselves from Your Church. Draw them by Your light into the unity of the Church, and do not let them escape from the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart; but bring it about that they, too, come to glorify the generosity of Your mercy.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of those who have separated themselves from Your Son’s Church, who have squandered Your blessings and misused Your graces by obstinately persisting in their errors. Do not look upon their errors, but upon the love of Your own Son and upon His bitter Passion, which He underwent for their sake, since they, too, are enclosed in His Most Compassionate Heart. Bring it about that they also may glorify Your great mercy for endless ages.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Sixth Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me THE MEEK AND HUMBLE SOULS AND THE SOULS OF LITTLE CHILDREN, and immerse them in My mercy. These souls most closely resemble My Heart. They strengthened Me during My bitter agony. I saw them as earthly Angels, who will keep vigil at My altars. I pour out upon them whole torrents of grace. Only the humble soul is capable of receiving My grace. I favor humble souls with My confidence.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, You yourself have said, “Learn from Me for I am meek and humble of heart.” Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart all meek and humble souls and the souls of little children. These souls send all heaven into ecstasy and they are the heavenly Father’s favorites. They are a sweet-smelling bouquet before the throne of God; God Himself takes delight in their fragrance. These souls have a permanent abode in Your Most Compassionate Heart, O Jesus, and they unceasingly sing out a hymn of love and mercy.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon meek souls, upon humble souls, and upon little children who are enfolded in the abode which is the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. These souls bear the closest resemblance to Your Son. Their fragrance rises from the earth and reaches Your very throne. Father of mercy and of all goodness, I beg You by the love You bear these souls and by the delight You take in them: Bless the whole world, that all souls together may sing out the praises of Your mercy for endless ages.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Seventh Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me THE SOULS WHO ESPECIALLY VENERATE AND GLORIFY MY MERCY, and immerse them in My mercy. These souls sorrowed most over my Passion and entered most deeply into My spirit. They are living images of My Compassionate Heart. These souls will shine with a special brightness in the next life. Not one of them will go into the fire of hell. I shall particularly defend each one of them at the hour of death.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, whose Heart is Love Itself, receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of those who particularly extol and venerate the greatness of Your mercy. These souls are mighty with the very power of God Himself. In the midst of all afflictions and adversities they go forward, confident of Your mercy; and united to You, O Jesus, they carry all mankind on their shoulders. These souls will not be judged severely, but Your mercy will embrace them as they depart from this life.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls who glorify and venerate Your greatest attribute, that of Your fathomless mercy, and who are enclosed in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. These souls are a living Gospel; their hands are full of deeds of mercy, and their hearts, overflowing with joy, sing a canticle of mercy to You, O Most High! I beg You O God:

Show them Your mercy according to the hope and trust they have placed in You. Let there be accomplished in them the promise of Jesus, who said to them that during their life, but especially at the hour of death, the souls who will venerate this fathomless mercy of His, He, Himself, will defend as His glory.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Eighth Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me THE SOULS WHO ARE DETAINED IN PURGATORY, and immerse them in the abyss of My mercy. Let the torrents of My Blood cool down their scorching flames. All these souls are greatly loved by Me. They are making retribution to My justice. It is in your power to bring them relief. Draw all the indulgences from the treasury of My Church and offer them on their behalf. Oh, if you only knew the torments they suffer, you would continually offer for them the alms of the spirit and pay off their debt to My justice.

Novena Prayers: Most Merciful Jesus, You Yourself have said that You desire mercy; so I bring into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls in Purgatory, souls who are very dear to You, and yet, who must make retribution to Your justice. May the streams of Blood and Water which gushed forth from Your Heart put out the flames of Purgatory, that there, too, the power of Your mercy may be celebrated.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls suffering in Purgatory, who are enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. I beg You, by the sorrowful Passion of Jesus Your Son, and by all the bitterness with which His most sacred Soul was flooded: Manifest Your mercy to the souls who are under Your just scrutiny. Look upon them in no other way but only through the Wounds of Jesus, Your dearly beloved Son; for we firmly believe that there is no limit to Your goodness and compassion.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

Ninth Day of the Divine Mercy Novena:
Intention: Today bring to Me SOULS WHO HAVE BECOME LUKEWARM, and immerse them in the abyss of My mercy. These souls wound My Heart most painfully. My soul suffered the most dreadful loathing in the Garden of Olives because of lukewarm souls. They were the reason I cried out: ‘Father, take this cup away from Me, if it be Your will.’ For them, the last hope of salvation is to run to My mercy.

Novena Prayers: Most compassionate Jesus, You are Compassion Itself. I bring lukewarm souls into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart. In this fire of Your pure love, let these tepid souls, who, like corpses, filled You with such deep loathing, be once again set aflame. O Most Compassionate Jesus, exercise the omnipotence of Your mercy and draw them into the very ardor of Your love, and bestow upon them the gift of holy love, for nothing is beyond Your power.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon lukewarm souls who are nonetheless enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. Father of Mercy, I beg You by the bitter Passion of Your Son and by His three-hour agony on the Cross: Let them, too, glorify the abyss of Your mercy.

Amen.

Divine Mercy Chaplet

About the Divine Mercy Novena
The message of Divine Mercy was given to a Polish nun named Sister Faustina. It was revealed to her by Jesus in a private revelation that is fully approved by the Church. The message of Divine Mercy is not something that is new or additional to the Gospel message. In fact, it is the same core message presented in a particular way with a few new devotions. This novena is one of those devotions.

St. Faustina reports in her diary that she transcribed the words of the novena as Jesus dictated them to her day-by-day beginning on Good Friday.



Find the Original Here: http://www.praymorenovenas.com/divine-mercy-novena/#ixzz46l4zDrU8

 

[withwonderingawe]

... We now have the opportunity to learn more about a woman blessed enough to have been chosen as a companion and help-meet of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and at the same time, discover more about Him on a personal level. In light of this, we must examine the interactions between Jesus and Mary of Bethany, which illustrate the intimate relationship between the two – that would have been inappropriate had they not been husband and wife.

John 12: 3–7 contains a very important account of one of the days He spent with Mary of Bethany:

Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him, why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.

The same story is relayed in Matthew 26, Mark 14 and again in Luke 7. What is the apparent significance of this story? An examination of a quiet ordinance called “The Second Anointing”, an extension of the initiatory “Washing and Anointing” performed in the temple will help to clarify;

The Second Anointing – overseen by the President of the Church, is a rite administered only to married couples. The first portion of this ordinance is carried out in the Holy of Holies within the Temple. The second part of the ordinance (implemented at the couple’s home), involves the act of the wife “washing the feet” of the husband, or rather anointing the feet of the husband, in early preparation for his burial, and to allow for her to have claim upon him in the resurrection. (The Mysteries of Godliness, pp. 87-90, Buerger).

Matthew 26: 12–13 elucidates that Mary of Bethany performed this portion of the Second Anointing for her own husband before His death:

For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

These scriptures do not describe merely an act of “hero worship”, but a demonstration of an intimate and sacred ordinance taking place between the Savior and His wife! This offers us a clear understanding as to why His love for this particular woman was so great.

http://www.mormonchronicle.com/our-married-savior-jesus-christ/

Mmmm never read that before so I went to FairMormon to look it up. Buerger left the Church in 1992 and he wrote this book after he left. Sooooo he's not exactly an authority I would trust being able to interpret temple ceremonies. I don't think the Church has an official stand on whether Jesus was married or not. When asked Hinckley said "Brethren it doesn't matter if the pearly gates swing or slide just as long as they open"

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/an-imperfect-history

 

[ToBeLoved]

Mmmm never read that before so I went to FairMormon to look it up. Buerger left the Church in 1992 and he wrote this book after he left. Sooooo he's not exactly an authority I would trust being able to interpret temple ceremonies. I don't think the Church has an official stand on whether Jesus was married or not. When asked Hinckley said "Brethren it doesn't matter if the pearly gates swing or slide just as long as they open"

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/an-imperfect-history

Isn't it odd that every controversial doctrine your prophet's taught get's pushed down to the unofficial teaching of LDS?

It's a con job. You buy it, we do not.

 

[Kenny'sID]

It would seem so until ........ they say the Father in a human body had intimate relations with Mary to produce Jesus and that Jesus was a polygamist with 3 wives.

But this is the hidden doctrine.

Another one is that Adam was the Arch-angel Michael and did a wonderful thing by eating the fruit in the Garden.

That Jesus became God after He died with no sin. Before that He was not God.

Then it's blasphemous. Over the top blasphemy that discounts our entire faith.

As if that isn't enough to bring on a tantrum, I'm almost afraid to look more into their beliefs for fear of coming back here and immediately getting booted from the boards for stating my outrage.

 

[ToBeLoved]

As if that isn't enough to bring on a tantrum, I'm almost afraid to look more into their beliefs for fear of coming back here and immediately getting booted from the boards for stating my outrage.

I know. What I feel though is that when others read these posts, they will see the obvious. Just like we see it. So, let it all come out into the open and we need to just let the Holy Spirit and Jesus fight the battle. Our God reigns against evil, they may have some success in this evil world, but the afterlife will be what they have sown they will reap.

So, just keep it down, it's hard, but I try.

 

[Galilee63]

Jesus on earth is from the Order of Melchizedek - Father Melchizedek.

Jesus was and is pure in Heart, Body, Soul and Mind having descended from God our Heavenly Father to earth and God with The Holy Spirit ensured that Jesus stayed that way including the forty days and forty night temptations of satan, including through all of His Teaching days, His Agonies, Bitter Passion, Sorrows and Sufferings - sinless - one of the reasons being that Jesus taught that everything He has endured overcoming temptations, mankind is able to endure and overcome through heartfelt prayer to Him with complete trust in our hearts to receive Him and His Blessings Gifts and Graces now and eternally. Repenting sins in remorse to Him, receiving His Blessed Holy Sacraments of which contain His Blessings, Gifts and Graces also. Fasting if we are healthy to block satan and receive Jesus speaking to our hearts with The Holy Spirit through our Blessed Virgin Mother Mary.

Another prayer that Jesus and Mother Mary delivered with God our Heavenly Father and The Holy Spirit is the following which mentions 'Masses/Holy Masses' and The Universal Church.

Eternal Father I offer Thee the Most Precious Blood of Thy Divine Son Jesus, in union with the Masses said throughout the world today, for all the Holy Souls in Purgatory for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the Universal Church for those within my own home and within my own family Amen.

'In union with the Masses said throughout the world today'.

Jesus states that He is Present although invisible to us, at His Altars, within His Holy Tabernacle and manifested within His Confessional behind the Priest 'where the misery of the soul meets the God of Mercy' when we repent our sins to Jesus from our hearts with His Cleansing of our sins each time thereafter.

Wherever a person/soul happens to be - repentance of sins to Jesus from our hearts is the way to go and receiving Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit within His Blessed (by Him) Holy Eucharist, His Flesh and Blood and of course Jesus is Present everywhere when hearts open to Him in trust, we receive Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit and through His Blessed Holy Heavenly Mother - our Heavenly Mother.

Despite being Catholic I had never called upon Saints, Prophets, Priests, the Holy Souls in Heaven through our Lord Jesus and Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God during my life. Recently I have been doing this through our Lord Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit and Mother Mary with The Holy Saints assisting by our Lord Jesus and Mother Mary with so many many things of which God has given me to do this year. God's Holy Blessings, Gifts and Graces bestowed upon me to do Jesus' Holy tasks are too numerous to mention - we term these miracles yet these are God's Blessings, Gifts and Graces when we completely trust in our Lord Jesus from our hearts.

Love to all of my brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ our Merciful Saviour

 

[withwonderingawe]

Isn't it odd that every controversial doctrine your prophet's taught get's pushed down to the unofficial teaching of LDS?

It's a con job. You buy it, we do not.

I would have to read the book and see just who he is quoting, was it a prophet or was it someone else. Was this something taught in general or was it some assumptions someone made. Orson Pratt and Brigham Young argued on several different points kind of like Peter and Paul. People like this Buerger will take something like this, which I never heard of, and try to make it sound like it was absolute doctrine. I try to be very careful about what I accept and what I don't. It doesn't mean it is wrong, just that we don't really know.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Jesus on earth is from the Order of Melchizedek - Father Melchizedek.

Jesus was and is pure in Heart, Body, Soul and Mind having descended from God our Heavenly Father to earth and God with The Holy Spirit ensured that Jesus stayed that way including the forty days and forty night temptations of satan, including through all of His Teaching days, His Agonies, Bitter Passion, Sorrows and Sufferings - sinless - one of the reasons being that Jesus taught that everything He has endured overcoming temptations, mankind is able to endure and overcome through heartfelt prayer to Him with complete trust in our hearts to receive Him and His Blessings Gifts and Graces now and eternally. Repenting sins in remorse to Him, receiving His Blessed Holy Sacraments of which contain His Blessings, Gifts and Graces also. Fasting if we are healthy to block satan and receive Jesus speaking to our hearts with The Holy Spirit through our Blessed Virgin Mother Mary.

Another prayer that Jesus and Mother Mary delivered with God our Heavenly Father and The Holy Spirit is the following which mentions 'Masses/Holy Masses' and The Universal Church.

Eternal Father I offer Thee the Most Precious Blood of Thy Divine Son Jesus, in union with the Masses said throughout the world today, for all the Holy Souls in Purgatory for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the Universal Church for those within my own home and within my own family Amen.

'In union with the Masses said throughout the world today'.

Jesus states that He is Present although invisible to us, at His Altars, within His Holy Tabernacle and manifested within His Confessional behind the Priest 'where the misery of the soul meets the God of Mercy' when we repent our sins to Jesus from our hearts with His Cleansing of our sins each time thereafter.

Wherever a person/soul happens to be - repentance of sins to Jesus from our hearts is the way to go and receiving Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit within His Blessed (by Him) Holy Eucharist, His Flesh and Blood and of course Jesus is Present everywhere when hearts open to Him in trust, we receive Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit and through His Blessed Holy Heavenly Mother - our Heavenly Mother.

Love to all of my brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ our Merciful Saviour

Do Catholics still feel their priest hold this Melchizedek priesthood?

 

[tickingclocker]

This is blasphemous. Mary was the most Godly of her generation. And you are talking about the Son of God.

The one who will save you from hell, mind you

It was satirizing the LDS opinion that Jesus was somehow "married" in John 2, if you have been following the posts. I meant nothing disparaging to Mary or Jesus by any means. Quite the opposite.

Compared to Christianity, where it doesn't matter if Jesus was married or not, He MUST be married in LDS theology or all of mormonism flies out the window as dust. Christianity stands unshaken, regardless.

Whoosh!

 

[ToBeLoved]

I would have to read the book and see just who he is quoting, was it a prophet or was it someone else. Was this something taught in general or was it some assumptions someone made. Orson Pratt and Brigham Young argued on several different points kind of like Peter and Paul. People like this Buerger will take something like this, which I never heard of, and try to make it sound like it was absolute doctrine. I try to be very careful about what I accept and what I don't. It doesn't mean it is wrong, just that we don't really know.

The entire Book of Abraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

This is NOT rocket science.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Do Catholics still feel their priest hold this Melchizedek priesthood?

The Catholics never made that claim. Yours is the only religion that makes that claim.

 

[withwonderingawe]

The entire Book of Abraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

This is NOT rocket science.

I wasn't talking about the Book of Abraham but the book super14 quoted from, reread what I was posting from.

 

[withwonderingawe]

It was satirizing the LDS opinion that Jesus was somehow "married" in John 2, if you have been following the posts. I meant nothing disparaging to Mary or Jesus by any means. Quite the opposite.

Compared to Christianity, where it doesn't matter if Jesus was married or not, He MUST be married in LDS theology or all of mormonism flies out the window as dust. Christianity stands unshaken, regardless.

Whoosh!

The Church has no official stand on Jesus being married or not, if not he could be married by proxy later. Same too with John the Baptist.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I wasn't talking about the Book of Abraham but the book super14 quoted from, reread what I was posting from.

Well why don't you address the Book of Abraham problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

if your church is the 'only true' church, it should not be hard.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The Church has no official stand on Jesus being married or not, if not he could be married by proxy later. Same too with John the Baptist.

Oh my gosh. Do not tell me that Jesus Christ needed to be married?

What is wrong with you people. Your entire life is delusion.

 

[withwonderingawe]

As if that isn't enough to bring on a tantrum, I'm almost afraid to look more into their beliefs for fear of coming back here and immediately getting booted from the boards for stating my outrage.

Beloved misinformed you with "That Jesus became God after He died with no sin. Before that He was not God"

We believe Jesus is Yahweh of the Old Testament. He is the Son of God/El, firstborn of the spirit, thus heir to the throne of his Father. He was ordained to Godhood by his God, see Heb 1, before this earth was created. He had the power of God to create and is called the Eternal Father of Heaven and Earth because he created it.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Well why don't you address the Book of Abraham problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

if your church is the 'only true' church, it should not be hard.

Would you please start a thread on the Book of Abraham so we don't get off subject here. Thanks.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It was satirizing the LDS opinion that Jesus was somehow "married" in John 2, if you have been following the posts. I meant nothing disparaging to Mary or Jesus by any means. Quite the opposite.

Compared to Christianity, where it doesn't matter if Jesus was married or not, He MUST be married in LDS theology or all of mormonism flies out the window as dust. Christianity stands unshaken, regardless.

Whoosh!

I personally, didn't like it at all.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Would you please start a thread on the Book of Abraham so we don't get off subject here. Thanks.

Good idea. I'll do it later this afternoon.