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The second anointing is still done today but very rarely, it's very scared. One has to have had a certain kind of experience literally... ...Yes this happens in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
LOL!!

It's all I can muster at this point.
 
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Recently a friend pointed out how plural words are used to decribe God before the fall, switching to singular after the fall.

It would be wonderful should you choose to start a new thread or contribute freely in debate threads, so we can discuss what the bible has to say on this central subject. :)

Maybe someday when I get the way of the boards figured out.
 
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.... start a new thread or contribute freely in debate threads, so we can discuss what the bible has to say on this central subject. :)

Yes, please do give them yet another platform to spread the fallacies they believe. Mormons cannot start threads for them here. They need Christians to assist with that. Sure. I've got a lot of questions about mormonism, of what is doctrine and what is not. It's all intertwined upon itself so its hard to distinguish. Plus, they are always changing the rules. No dice. I'm not biting for that one again. They don't realize what they want is to discuss what "mormonism" has to say, not what the bible has to say. (Or do they?) They cannot stick to the bible for their arguments, because it doesn't support the overwhelming majority of their beliefs by the Word of God alone. If they would promise to not drag into the conversation endless quotes from their leaders (which change with each leader), or JS's words or works, I would ask. Not biting. From many other forums they've proven they cannot do so.
 
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Mmmm never read that before so I went to FairMormon to look it up. Buerger left the Church in 1992 and he wrote this book after he left. Sooooo he's not exactly an authority I would trust being able to interpret temple ceremonies. I don't think the Church has an official stand on whether Jesus was married or not. When asked Hinckley said "Brethren it doesn't matter if the pearly gates swing or slide just as long as they open"

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/an-imperfect-history
Well? Is this all you can come up with to prove Jesus "might" have been married? Something from a questionable author who left your own organization? How can you justify it being critical that Jesus be married within mormonism to prove it all true, yet within Christianity, it doesn't truly matter whether He was married or not? Christianity stands with or without our Savior being married and a father. Mormonism evaporates if He is not married (proxy or otherwise). I'm waiting.
 
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Yes, please do give them yet another platform to spread the fallacies they believe. Mormons cannot start threads for them here. They need Christians to assist with that. Sure. I've got a lot of questions about mormonism, of what is doctrine and what is not. It's all intertwined upon itself so its hard to distinguish. Plus, they are always changing the rules. No dice. I'm not biting for that one again. They don't realize what they want is to discuss what "mormonism" has to say, not what the bible has to say. (Or do they?) They cannot stick to the bible for their arguments, because it doesn't support the overwhelming majority of their beliefs by the Word of God alone. If they would promise to not drag into the conversation endless quotes from their leaders (which change with each leader), or JS's words or works, I would ask. Not biting. From many other forums they've proven they cannot do so.
:amen: Because they don't admit to anything anyway. They are trying to 'apprear' more Christian.

I'd rather see what their prophets and Quorum have said. There are a lot of quotes out there, that's where you really find out what they teach.

And if you've ever seen the stuff on the lds.org website. Sometimes they quote one word of a verse and put the Bible, out of context of course, like it agree's with all their crazy doctrine. It's so, so sad.

This is a prime example of this: Look at the footnotes in particular

Mother in Heaven

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. This understanding is rooted in scriptural and prophetic teachings about the nature of God, our relationship to Deity, and the godly potential of men and women.1 The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints.2

While there is no record of a formal revelation to Joseph Smith on this doctrine, some early Latter-day Saint women recalled that he personally taught them about a Mother in Heaven.3 The earliest published references to the doctrine appeared shortly after Joseph Smith’s death in 1844, in documents written by his close associates.4 The most notable expression of the idea is found in a poem by Eliza R. Snow, entitled “My Father in Heaven” and now known as the hymn “O My Father.” This text declares: “In the heav’ns are parents single? / No, the thought makes reason stare; / Truth is reason—truth eternal / Tells me I’ve a mother there.”5

Subsequent Church leaders have affirmed the existence of a Mother in Heaven. In 1909, the First Presidency taught that “all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity.”6 Susa Young Gates, a prominent leader in the Church, wrote in 1920 that Joseph Smith’s visions and teachings revealed the truth that “the divine Mother, [is] side by side with the divine Father.”7 And in “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” issued in 1995, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles declared, “Each [person] is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny.”8

Prophets have taught that our heavenly parents work together for the salvation of the human family. “We are part of a divine plan designed by Heavenly Parents who love us,” taught Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.9 President Harold B. Lee stated, “We forget that we have a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother who are even more concerned, probably, than our earthly father and mother, and that influences from beyond are constantly working to try to help us when we do all we can.”10

Latter-day Saints direct their worship to Heavenly Father, in the name of Christ, and do not pray to Heavenly Mother. In this, they follow the pattern set by Jesus Christ, who taught His disciples to “always pray unto the Father in my name.”11 Latter-day Saints are taught to pray to Heavenly Father, but as President Gordon B. Hinckley said, “The fact that we do not pray to our Mother in Heaven in no way belittles or denigrates her.”12 Indeed, as Elder Rudger Clawson wrote, “We honor woman when we acknowledge Godhood in her eternal Prototype.”13

As with many other truths of the gospel, our present knowledge about a Mother in Heaven is limited. Nevertheless, we have been given sufficient knowledge to appreciate the sacredness of this doctrine and to comprehend the divine pattern established for us as children of heavenly parents. Latter-day Saints believe that this pattern is reflected in Paul’s statement that “neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.”14 Men and women cannot be exalted without each other. Just as we have a Father in Heaven, we have a Mother in Heaven. As Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles has said, “Our theology begins with heavenly parents. Our highest aspiration is to be like them.”15

Resources
  1. Genesis 1:26–27; Moses 3:4–7; Romans 8:16–17; Psalm 82:6; Doctrine and Covenants 132:19–20.
  2. See “Becoming Like God”; see also Elaine Anderson Cannon, “Mother in Heaven,” in Encyclopedia of Mormonism, ed. Daniel H. Ludlow, 5 vols. (New York: Macmillan, 1992), 2:961. For an extensive survey of these teachings, see David L. Paulsen and Martin Pulido, “‘A Mother There’: A Survey of Historical Teachings about Mother in Heaven,” BYU Studies 50, no. 1 (2011): 70–97.
  3. Zina Diantha Huntington Young recalled that when her mother died in 1839, Joseph Smith consoled her by telling her that in heaven she would see her own mother again and become acquainted with her eternal Mother. (Susa Young Gates, History of the Young Ladies’ Mutual Improvement Association of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints [Salt Lake City: Deseret News, 1911], 15–16.)
  4. See W. W. Phelps, “Come to Me,” in “Poetry, for the Times and Seasons,” Times and Seasons 6 (Jan. 15, 1845): 783.
  5. “My Father in Heaven,” in “Poetry, for the Times and Seasons,” Times and Seasons 6 (Nov. 15, 1845): 1039; “O My Father,” Hymns, no. 292; see also Jill Mulvay Derr, “The Significance of ‘O My Father’ in the Personal Journey of Eliza R. Snow,” BYU Studies 36, no. 1 (1996–97), 84–126.
  6. “The Origin of Man,” Improvement Era 13, no. 1 (Nov. 1909): 78.
  7. “The Vision Beautiful,” Improvement Era 23, no. 6 (Apr. 1920): 542. At this time, Gates was the recording secretary of the Relief Society general presidency.
  8. The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2010, 129.
  9. M. Russell Ballard, When Thou Art Converted: Continuing Our Search for Happiness (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 2001), 62.
  10. Harold B. Lee, “The Influence and Responsibility of Women,” Relief Society Magazine 51, no. 2 (Feb. 1964): 85.
  11. 3 Nephi 18:19–21; Matthew 6:6–9; John 17:1, 5, 21, 24–25; see also Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8; and 3 Nephi 13:9; 17:15.
  12. Gordon B. Hinckley, “Daughters of God,” Ensign, Nov. 1991, 100.
  13. “Our Mother in Heaven,” Latter-day Saints’ Millennial Star 72, no. 39 (Sept. 29, 1910): 620. Rudger Clawson was the editor of the periodical and likely author of this editorial.
  14. 1 Corinthians 11:11.
  15. Dallin H. Oaks, “Apostasy and Restoration,” Ensign, May 1995, 84.
The Church acknowledges the contribution of scholars to the historical content presented in this article; their work is used with permission.


. This stuff makes me want to puke.
 
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My Grandmother and her sister were orphaned and were taken to a Catholic orphanage in Lubbock Texas. My Great Aunt became a nun and a teacher there at the orphanage. My Grandmother took out her first vows but decided against it, later she married and had my mother. So I have a little background in the Church. Grandma married a communist and thus an atheist who would not let my mother be baptized but grandma did it behind his back. Later he allowed her to go to a Catholic school but not take the catechism, he deserted the family at some point and that’s when Mom started her religious education.

She found the God the sisters were teaching her about was not the God she naturally prayed to, she just rejected the Trinity even at a young age. She also rejected the need for babies to be baptized. When it came time for her first Holy Communion she just didn’t show up.

She remained prayerful and there was always a Bible next to her bed. She told me it was the Gospel of John which really brought her to that born again experience. But she could not find a church where she felt she fit in, I remember going to a lot of different churches as she searched for the one.

When I was born, on Christmas day she wanted to thank the Lord for me but did not want to have me baptized. Some Mormon friends invited her to have me blessed in their church. She thought that sounded nice so I was blessed and my name ended up on the roles of the LDS church as a child of record, but not a member.

She read the Book of Mormon at the time but thought nothing of it. Eight years later she was given an anti Mormon pamphlet and the thought came to her ‘I don’t remember reading that in the Book of Mormon’ so she dusted off her old book and began reading again. Within a few days she called the missionaries and asked to be baptized. They were a little surprised and told her she would have to take the lessons first. Any way that was 55 years ago and she has been very grateful for that anti Mormon pamphlet which brought her into the Church. My father joined 5 years after her and the whole family has remained very dedicated and active.

My mom's best friend is Catholic she's a wonderful woman who does some lay clergy kind of things. She came up to visit us at the 100th year celebration of the Cathedral of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir sang for it like they had done 100 years ago. It was a wonderful experience.

Thanks for sharing; your experience reminds me of the simple axiom that you catch more bees with sugar than you do vinegar. Mud-slinging surly does make one wish to investigate the truth for oneself. :)
 
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Yes, please do give them yet another platform to spread the fallacies they believe. Mormons cannot start threads for them here. They need Christians to assist with that. Sure. I've got a lot of questions about mormonism, of what is doctrine and what is not. It's all intertwined upon itself so its hard to distinguish. Plus, they are always changing the rules. No dice. I'm not biting for that one again. They don't realize what they want is to discuss what "mormonism" has to say, not what the bible has to say. (Or do they?) They cannot stick to the bible for their arguments, because it doesn't support the overwhelming majority of their beliefs by the Word of God alone. If they would promise to not drag into the conversation endless quotes from their leaders (which change with each leader), or JS's words or works, I would ask. Not biting. From many other forums they've proven they cannot do so.

Ok then, you post a thread defending the trinity that we may debate using only the bible and the post-biblical creeds that you adore. :)
 
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Thanks for sharing; your experience reminds me of the simple axiom that you catch more bees with sugar than you do vinegar. Mud-slinging surly does make one wish to investigate the truth for oneself. :)
You guys sling more mud and are arrogant to boot. What is odd is the facade that you present to the world when you are not nice human beings at all.
 
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Ok then, you post a thread defending the trinity that we may debate using only the bible and the post-biblical creeds that you adore. :)
You know, you people have been brainwashed with this whole 'creeds' matter. You have so little information that your gullible to believe anything.

I am sick of talking to you, and you will find out when there are no threads that people are pretty sick of your pious attitude.

Your prophet wrote an entirely fake book based on false Egyptian Hyroglifs and you have the nerve to talk to us like that. You need to correct yourself.
 
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Your church does hide the more controversial doctrine and puts forward what they want people to see.

[citation needed]

That the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has something that God gave AFTER the Christian cannon of the 66 books of the Bible closed.

We've been over this before: it was man who closed the canon, not God.

I hope Christians begin to talk amongst themselves and on blogs of what is really going on, because it is evil.

So you're saying that we're "evil" now because we disagree with you?
 
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It's a standard practice for critics of the LDS faith to try and tell us what we supposedly believe.

We're pushing back against it by demanding evidence that what they say we believe is actually taught.
That it was actually taught is now denied because it isn't deemed official church doctrine?

Is temple garments, particularly under garments, official church doctrine?
 
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It's a standard practice for critics of the LDS faith to try and tell us what we supposedly believe.

We're pushing back against it by demanding evidence that what they say we believe is actually taught.
What is not to criticize. Your doctrine is so whack that there is nothing to agree with.
 
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It would seem so until ........ they say the Father in a human body had intimate relations with Mary to produce Jesus and that Jesus was a polygamist with 3 wives.

But this is the hidden doctrine.

Until you prove that this is official doctrine, you are bearing false witness against us.

Period.
 
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As if that isn't enough to bring on a tantrum, I'm almost afraid to look more into their beliefs for fear of coming back here and immediately getting booted from the boards for stating my outrage. :eek:

Most of what TBL's reciting is the standard anti-Mormon claptrap that's been making the rounds for generations now.

Note that at no point does TBL actually go into details; it's all just statements made for shock value.
 
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