Birth pangs

[keras]

Do you really believe these phenomenon are from the lord?

Foam in the streets of Japan certainly is NOT.
The increase of wars, diseases, famines and economic problems can mostly be attributed to over population. Which is, in itself, an indication of things not continuing as they are for much longer.
But earthquakes and the overall weather patterns, are [or can be] in the Lord's control. It does seem He has allowed an increase of natural disasters and we should take note of it, as Jesus told us. Matthew 24:6-8

What or who is about to give birth ?

The 'birth' will be the new age of Jesus as King over the world.
But we should be aware of what must happen before that glorious time. We are told, the Bible holds all the info required.

 

[dfw69]

Foam in the streets of Japan certainly is NOT.
The increase of wars, diseases, famines and economic problems can mostly be attributed to over population. Which is, in itself, an indication of things not continuing as they are for much longer.
But earthquakes and the overall weather patterns, are [or can be] in the Lord's control. It does seem He has allowed an increase of natural disasters and we should take note of it, as Jesus told us. Matthew 24:6-8

The 'birth' will be the new age of Jesus as King over the world.
But we should be aware of what must happen before that glorious time. We are told, the Bible holds all the info required.

I believe the lord is not in those things ... And the kingdom of Jesus will not return yet ... All these things are a man made effort to establish the new age of the false messianic age .

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I believe the lord is not in those things ... And the kingdom of Jesus will not return yet ... All these things are a man made effort to establish the new age of the false messianic age .

Some of it is as you say. But our Father allows the iniquity to abound. Remember, Jesus said we should watch all these things begin to happen.It will be like birth pangs. Therefore we watch. The foam in the street is not mentioned is scripture, but it was caused by the earthquake.

 

[dfw69]

Some of it is as you say. But our Father allows the iniquity to abound. Remember, Jesus said we should watch all these things begin to happen.It will be like birth pangs. Therefore we watch. The foam in the street is not mentioned is scripture, but it was caused by the earthquake.

I'm watching and praying for God to help us see through the falsehood..

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I'm watching and praying for God to help us see through the falsehood..

Just know that these things will happen as it is written.You know, Lord Jesus did not say these things would be of God. He just said they would happen.

 

[keras]

I believe the lord is not in those things ... And the kingdom of Jesus will not return yet ... All these things are a man made effort to establish the new age of the false messianic age .

Please tell us where you get the idea of a 'false Messianic Age'.
When the Anti-Christ comes to power, we who know our Bibles will surely know who he is when he promotes himself as a god. Revelation 13:1-18
The forthcoming Millennium age, is very clearly a time of great peace and prosperity under the rule of King Jesus.

I'm watching and praying for God to help us see through the falsehood..

The false theories and ideas promoted by those who fail to understand God's Plan, as prophesied for us in the Bible, are the problem.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Please stay on topic.

 

[dfw69]

Just know that these things will happen as it is written.You know, Lord Jesus did not say these things would be of God. He just said they would happen.

That's true

 

[dfw69]

Please tell us where you get the idea of a 'false Messianic Age'.
When the Anti-Christ comes to power, we who know our Bibles will surely know who he is when he promotes himself as a god. Revelation 13:1-18
The forthcoming Millennium age, is very clearly a time of great peace and prosperity under the rule of King Jesus.

The false theories and ideas promoted by those who fail to understand God's Plan, as prophesied for us in the Bible, are the problem.

She wants to stay on topic .. Her thread.. We must honor her wishes .. She hate it when we stray off topic

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

She wants to stay on topic .. Her thread.. We must honor her wishes .. She hate it when we stray off topic

Thank you brother.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Aid begins to flow in after earthquake kills 246 in Ecuador
DOLORES OCHOA and ALLEN PANCHANA
April 17, 2016

PEDERNALES, Ecuador (AP) — Aid began to flow in Sunday to areas devastated by Ecuador's strongest earthquake in decades and the death toll continued to rise as people left homeless hunkered down for another night outside in the dark.

Officials said the quake killed at least 246 people and injured more than 2,500 along Ecuador's coast. Vice President Jorge Glas said the toll was likely to rise because a large number of people remained unaccounted for, though he declined to say how many.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/earthqua...eath-toll-expected-rise-054233146.html?ref=gs

 

[stephen583]

I like the analogy to birth pangs. As I remember my Lamaze classes, you could tell the time was near as the pains got (1) stronger, (2) longer, and (3) came closer together. As this topic grows I wonder if we'll see the same patterns.

I think you are right. I believe the Tribulation Period has already begun. As the Apocalypse unfolds, these prophesied events will become more intense, last longer in duration and will increase in frequency. I also believe the natural phenomena of earthquakes and floods are just a prelude (warning) of the geopolitical upheavals that are about to unfold.

Personally I think a "literal" interpretation of Bible Prophecy is somewhat short sighted. The Hebrew word for earthquake translates "a great noise". Earthquakes are known to be preceded by a great "booming" noise in the atmosphere. So it is possible, the reference to "earthquakes" in Bible prophecy may not be limited to actual geological events, but might also refer to geopolitical "upheavals".

Of course, for such geopolitical upheavals to be biblical, they would necessarily have to be of an "unprecedented" scale. Global economic collapse, the invasion and destruction of Israel by Russia, a limited thermo-nuclear war, a Third World War, the destruction of Rome, ect, ect. That's why I say, the massive geological earthquakes and floods we are now seeing around the globe may be "warning" signs of something coming that is going to be far worse than a 7.8 earthquake.

The last 7.8 earthquake that occurred in Japan came in May 2015, just four months before the September 2015 summit in Washington D.C. which included state visits during the same week by the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, the President of China Xi Jiang Ping and Pope Francis. The September meeting between Putin and the President of the United States resulted in Putin's political rehabilitation for invading the Crimea and supporting the Civil War in the Ukraine and sanctioned Russia's military involvement in Syria and Iraq as our (ally ?!) in the War on Terror. This complete reversal in U.S. policy towards Russian aggression was "unprecedented" and started a firestorm of "criticism" by more than a few members of Congress and foreign policy experts.

Just three months earlier, in July 2015 the U.S. and other world powers finalized a Nuclear Agreement with Iran in Vienna which also ignited a "firestorm" of criticism from its' opponents. With Saudi Arabia now obtaining nuclear missile warheads from Pakistan, it appears the critics where right, and the Iran Deal has precipitated a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

Is it fair to characterize these events as "unprecedented" political upheavals (earthquakes) ?! I think so. Was the 7.8 earthquake in Japan on May 2015 in such close proximity to these events a coincidence ?!.. I think not. If these massive earthquakes are warning signs, It certainly begs the question, "What might this new 7.8 earthquake in Japan and the 7.8 earthquake in Ecuador yesterday" herald for the future ??? hmmmm. Something to think about, huh ?!

 

[dysert]

I think you are right. I believe the Tribulation Period has already begun. As the Apocalypse unfolds, these prophesied events will become more intense, last longer in duration and will increase in frequency. I also believe the natural phenomena of earthquakes and floods are just a prelude (warning) of the geopolitical upheavals that are about to unfold.

Personally I think a "literal" interpretation of Bible Prophecy is somewhat short sighted. The Hebrew word for earthquake translates "a great noise". Earthquakes are known to be preceded by a great "booming" noise in the atmosphere. So it is possible, the reference to "earthquakes" in Bible prophecy may not be limited to actual geological events, but might also refer to geopolitical "upheavals".

Of course, for such geopolitical upheavals to be biblical, they would necessarily have to be of an "unprecedented" scale. Global economic collapse, the invasion and destruction of Israel by Russia, a limited thermo-nuclear war, a Third World War, the destruction of Rome, ect, ect. That's why I say, the massive geological earthquakes and floods we are now seeing around the globe may be "warning" signs of something coming that is going to be far worse than a 7.8 earthquake.

The last 7.8 earthquake that occurred in Japan came in May 2015, just four months before the September 2015 summit in Washington D.C. which included state visits during the same week by the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, the President of China Xi Jiang Ping and Pope Francis. The September meeting between Putin and the President of the United States resulted in Putin's political rehabilitation for invading the Crimea and supporting the Civil War in the Ukraine and sanctioned Russia's military involvement in Syria and Iraq as our (ally ?!) in the War on Terror. This complete reversal in U.S. policy towards Russian aggression was "unprecedented" and started a firestorm of "criticism" by more than a few members of Congress and foreign policy experts.

Just three months earlier, in July 2015 the U.S. and other world powers finalized a Nuclear Agreement with Iran in Vienna which also ignited a "firestorm" of criticism from its' opponents. With Saudi Arabia now obtaining nuclear missile warheads from Pakistan, it appears the critics where right, and the Iran Deal has precipitated a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

Is it fair to characterize these events as "unprecedented" political upheavals (earthquakes) ?! I think so. Was the 7.8 earthquake in Japan on May 2015 in such close proximity to these events a coincidence ?!.. I think not. If these massive earthquakes are warning signs, It certainly begs the question, "What might this new 7.8 earthquake in Japan and the 7.8 earthquake in Ecuador yesterday" herald for the future ??? hmmmm. Something to think about, huh ?!

Well, I'm a pre-trib rapture guy, and I am a literalist, so I can't say I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I will say it's interesting though.

 

[stephen583]

Well, I'm a pre-trib rapture guy, and I am a literalist, so I can't say I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I will say it's interesting though.

By the way, just as a footnote... Last month the foreign minister of Belgium announced NATO would not intervene should the situation in Syria and Iraq spill over into Turkey, and Russia and Turkey end up going to war. The resolve of European countries to go to war over the Baltics, the Ukraine, or Turkey against Russia is very much in doubt. We may be seeing early signs of the collapse of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

England votes on a referendum to withdraw from the European Union in just two months. This could signal the collapse of the E.U. and the European Common Market at the same time, plunging Europe into political and economic instability and the rest of the world into a catastrophic depression.

In September 2015 alone (coinciding with the 7.8 earthquake in Japan), China dumped over 94 billion worth of U.S. treasury debt. The largest disinvestiture of U.S. debt by China in single month in over 37 years.

This week President Obama also travelled to Saudi Arabia to head off Saudi threats to dump 750 billion in treasury debt and U.S. property should the U.S. Congress pass a bill making the Kingdom responsible in U.S. civil court for damages for its' alleged role supporting the terrorists in the 9-11 attack.

Earthquakes and political upheavals ! Signs ?!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I think you are right. I believe the Tribulation Period has already begun. As the Apocalypse unfolds, these prophesied events will become more intense, last longer in duration and will increase in frequency. I also believe the natural phenomena of earthquakes and floods are just a prelude (warning) of the geopolitical upheavals that are about to unfold.

Personally I think a "literal" interpretation of Bible Prophecy is somewhat short sighted. The Hebrew word for earthquake translates "a great noise". Earthquakes are known to be preceded by a great "booming" noise in the atmosphere. So it is possible, the reference to "earthquakes" in Bible prophecy may not be limited to actual geological events, but might also refer to geopolitical "upheavals".

Of course, for such geopolitical upheavals to be biblical, they would necessarily have to be of an "unprecedented" scale. Global economic collapse, the invasion and destruction of Israel by Russia, a limited thermo-nuclear war, a Third World War, the destruction of Rome, ect, ect. That's why I say, the massive geological earthquakes and floods we are now seeing around the globe may be "warning" signs of something coming that is going to be far worse than a 7.8 earthquake.

The last 7.8 earthquake that occurred in Japan came in May 2015, just four months before the September 2015 summit in Washington D.C. which included state visits during the same week by the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, the President of China Xi Jiang Ping and Pope Francis. The September meeting between Putin and the President of the United States resulted in Putin's political rehabilitation for invading the Crimea and supporting the Civil War in the Ukraine and sanctioned Russia's military involvement in Syria and Iraq as our (ally ?!) in the War on Terror. This complete reversal in U.S. policy towards Russian aggression was "unprecedented" and started a firestorm of "criticism" by more than a few members of Congress and foreign policy experts.

Just three months earlier, in July 2015 the U.S. and other world powers finalized a Nuclear Agreement with Iran in Vienna which also ignited a "firestorm" of criticism from its' opponents. With Saudi Arabia now obtaining nuclear missile warheads from Pakistan, it appears the critics where right, and the Iran Deal has precipitated a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

Is it fair to characterize these events as "unprecedented" political upheavals (earthquakes) ?! I think so. Was the 7.8 earthquake in Japan on May 2015 in such close proximity to these events a coincidence ?!.. I think not. If these massive earthquakes are warning signs, It certainly begs the question, "What might this new 7.8 earthquake in Japan and the 7.8 earthquake in Ecuador yesterday" herald for the future ??? hmmmm. Something to think about, huh ?!

Thanks, this is a lot to consider. I will watch to see what type of upheaval we see in the world system that may relate to these geological contractions. There have been a lot of volcanoes erupting also, three or four per day.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Earthquakes and political upheavals ! Signs ?!

Yes!

 

[parousia70]

7.0 quake strikes Japan after earlier one kills 9
Rescuers rush to trapped residents as Japan quakes kill 32
Downpour kills more than 40 in Saudi Arabia, Yemen
Biggest earthquake in decades kills at least 233 in Ecuador

9 Dead, 32 Dead, 40 Dead, 233 Dead.
Gotta be the end of the world with that kind of death toll. No doubt about it.

 

[dysert]

7.0 quake strikes Japan after earlier one kills 9
Rescuers rush to trapped residents as Japan quakes kill 32
Downpour kills more than 40 in Saudi Arabia, Yemen
Biggest earthquake in decades kills at least 233 in Ecuador

9 Dead, 32 Dead, 40 Dead, 233 Dead.
Gotta be the end of the world with that kind of death toll. No doubt about it.

No need for sarcasm; no one is predicting the end of the world. We're just noting that before the end comes there will be signs like birth pangs. What we've been witnessing could be such signs, or maybe not. Who's to say.

 

[parousia70]

No need for sarcasm; no one is predicting the end of the world. We're just noting that before the end comes there will be signs like birth pangs. What we've been witnessing could be such signs, or maybe not. Who's to say.

Well, I'm pretty certain that 233 dead in a flood in Ecuador recently does not constitute an "increasingly intensifying birth pang" from the Nazi Holocaust, but maybe I'm missing your point.

 

[parousia70]

I am a literalist,

That would be impossible.
You just spiritualize and elasticize different scriptures than other folks do, but you are no literalist.